Fiona’s Comments (group member since Feb 22, 2013)

Fiona’s comments from the Brains and Books group.

Hi Ange! I just landed in Goodreads by chance (can you tell I'm procrastinating?)

I wondered if you have any good books you have read lately that you might be interested in reviewing?
I definitely have to get back into it. And read more.

I thought I'd let you know what books I have out from the library at the moment, that I'm itching to actually get to READ. 'When God Was A Rabbit' by Sarah Winman was a suggestion from A, and when you give it a cursory glance it looks like it's going to be very good.

I also have two memoirs on paranormal subjects - one on near death experiences by Raymond Moody - 'Paranormal, my life in pursuit of the afterlife' - Dr Raymond Moody is the man who 'singlehandedly changed the face of medicine' when he wrote is book 'Life after Death' in 1975, and the back of the book says that it's about his own extraordinary experiences in his own life... it's going to be a good book I think.

The other paranormal book is called 'Adventures of a Ghost Hunter - my investigations into the darkness' by Adam Nori. It looks to be about exactly what it sounds like ;) These things fascinate me. Always have.

I have an autobiography by a man who has Aspergers, and was born with multiple disabilities, not expected to survive. He was brought up in institutions, forced to migrate to Australia, and later was an alcholic. Despite all the odds, he not only survived, but overcame and now he works at helping young people in trouble. I think this will be extremely inspiring. It's called "So I Hit Hiim - surviving life as an institutionalised Alien" by Mick Whatham.

Lastly, this autobiography rings bells for me - the name Kate Holden sounds extremely familiar - and the title "In my skin - A memoir of addiction". It's apparently about the author's life as a prostitute to feed her addictions - and the journey to overcome addiction and free herself from prostitution.

There seems to be a theme here - extreme experiences! Although the first book, the only fiction - just sounds like a very pleasant fiction novel.

Okie dokie, now I hope you will get a notification of this so it's not like I'm pissing into the wind here... ;)

I actually didn't think Bea was obese myself, but apparently she was clinically obese and the weight loss efforts were kicked off by suggestion by her paediatrician that it couldn't be left any longer. I agree with you that while being overweight isn't necessarily terribly unhealthy just as being underweight isn't, being obese is.
But you are totally right - slower steadier weight loss would have been key here - there is no reason a child has to lose weight so fast. They are meant to be, so I've read, more trying to stop weight gain and height-wise grow into the weight.
I'm glad I read it, I was all for burning the mother at the stake when the story first came out, and then I checked myself and thought, I really do need to find out what her side of the story is - my experiences with the media have shown me just how skewed things can be. And I'm glad. I still think she's gone the wrong way about helping her daughter but her heart WAS in the right place and she just happened to write an article about two very contraversial social subjects - weight, and child-rearing. Other mothers are some of the most harsh critics I've ever seen.

I'm actually glad I read this book - even though I expected it to be a complete food-and-weight-obsessed take on how to handle helping your child with a weight problem. I feel like it's given me a lot to think about, changed some of my views on this delicate subject, and given me Dara-Lynn Weiss' side of a story that you had to have your head in the sand to have missed when it broke last year.

Weiss famously wrote an article in Vogue magazine about how she put her then six year old daughter, Bea, on a diet, when told by her paediatrician that Bea was clinically obese. She was absolutely vilified from all quarters. There were supporters of her side - but they were mostly drowned out by a worldwide cry against her - she was called abusive, disordered, cruel, a bad mother, people said that child protection should be notified and so on.

I have to admit, I was one of those who was horrified. After reading Weiss' book, I'm still not 'with' her, but I'm not against her either. What is certain to me in reading is that her actions came from a deep love for Bea and only wanting her child to have the best life possible. Bea was definitely aware of her size, aware and sad to be 'different' from the other kids, already had experienced comments and teasing. And there were also the health issues to consider. Obese children do mostly grow up to be obese adults. Now I know that a lot of people will argue the health at any size and Obesity isn't necessarily unhealthy points here - but let's just put those picket signs down and remember that this is the story of one mother, and her own daughter, a daughter she is charged with making health decisions for. Parents struggle with so many difficult choices when it comes to health - to immunise or not, for example - and judgement is rife. But it comes down to her right to make the choice for her child, depending on what she thinks is the best choice.

Weiss did take Bea to a nutritionist - in fact, she started out doing everything the way I'd probably have hoped someone whose child was obese would do - take the whole family to the nutritionist. The entire family have various issues and they work hard to follow the plans given to them - at this point their program is of the 'green light, red light' kind where they are allocated certain numbers of green lights and yellow lights to eat each day, and taught which foods and how much of them constitute each green, yellow or red light. Fruit and vegetables were 'free' as snacks.

I think this is where Weiss strays off the path. She has said that she has her own disordered relationship with food - and it's obvious throughout this book. Weiss panics if Bea is wearing different clothes when she's weighed - for example jeans instead of leggings - because of the weight difference. She refuses to allow Bea a snack before an after school appointment at one stage in case Bea weighs slightly heavier. She obsessively plans and re-plans her and Bea's food plans, and obsessively embarks on a mission that many people with full blown serious eating disorders will remember well - to find out the calorie counts of as many different foods as possible, and to seek out ever lower calorie items. She gushes about the use of frankenfoods and artificial sweeteners in place of real nutrition because 'low calories trumps nutrition' and panics over lapse as small as 100 calories or so for Bea. This is not normal behaviour.

Especially, this is not normal behaviour for so young a child. Bea is growing. She's 6 years old, 7 years old. Not only is she growing, but her relationship with food IS going to be affected by this for the rest of her life. And she IS pulling against the forced restriction. She's constantly asking for snacks (fruit being free) to the point of having four or five or six snacks of fruit between each meal, and binge eating fruit into the night to the point of being uncomfortable. That is the behaviour of someone who is either starving, or deprived. I know from my own feelings of deprivation and consequent lashback into bingeing or hoarding food - that it can stick with you for LIFE. Bingeing and hoarding behaviors are also very common in foster children who have been deprived of food or food has been tightly controlled.

Then there is Bea's lack of honesty when quizzed about what she's eaten away from her mother. She's scared of 'owning up' to having had three slices of pizza at a pizza party and tries to tell her mother she had only one at first. And when an unplanned 'event' happens in which Bea is faced with an array of food without her mother and herself having a 'plan' of what she can eat - she eats pretty much some of everything. Given that the point of some of these events was for the children in Bea's class to try out food from other cultures, sampling a little of each offering was actually normal behaviour, but Bea probably would have been aware she was doing the 'wrong' thing, and definitely aware when she had to 'own up' to it to Weiss.

Then there are situations like at parties - where Bea wants another dessert or is still hungry, but has already eaten everything she's 'allowed' to have. Weiss cops a fair bit of criticism from the other adults for not allowing Bea another cake or even to have the salad offered because it's covered in a dressing. I do have to say, the other adults were not helpful. We don't know what another child's dietary issues might be. Bea might have been on a special diet for allergy reasons or she might have been diabetic and I'm sure the other adults wouldn't have been so unsupportive then. And waving a food under the nose of a kid whose mother has just said NO to, is definitely not helpful, thoughtful, or kind.

Personally, I know very little about weight loss for kids. What I have heard (and believe) is that it's not weight loss that's important - it's weight stabilisation - and allowing them to grow into their weight. In calculating what her daughter's weight goals should be, at least Weiss kept her projected height in mind, but she was way too stuck on 77 pounds. If it was 77.2 pounds, that wasn't good enough. To her credit, this weight was barely out of overweight into 'normal' for Bea's height, so at least she wasn't unrealistic on her weight - but just the general obsessiveness and inflexibility was a huge red flag for me throughout the book.

In the end, how is Bea? She's lost the weight. She definitely seems happier, but at the same time, she still feels like a fat kid - she's said she will always feel like one on the inside. She still needs to have her mother control her food intake - or it inches up again fast. Over time, though, Bea shows she is able to control her food intake herself and demonstrates this ability on a 3 week camp. This, here, is where I start to worry the most. Although Bea did very well - I feel like she's too caught up in the 'restrictive' and 'controlled' eating - and it can very easily tip over into anorexia. That part of things just sounded off, and too good to be true to me.

Weiss was approached by Vogue magazine to write about her daughter's weight loss journey after she expressed interest in writing a book about it. She was counselled to not include Bea in the photographs, but caved in to Bea's pleas to be included - a choice she later regretted. I would not have liked to be in her shoes with what followed the publication of that article.

Overall, it was an interesting book, but unless you are already interested in the subject or share an obsession with food, weight, and dieting - it could be extremely boring. The book pretty much is a lengthy account of the process from beginning of diet to end. Weiss obviously has done a good amount of research for the book - but suffers from confirmation bias - in that she's set out to justify her choices and seems to have cherry-picked whatever research backs her up and excluded that which doesn't. Despite this, there are some good and salient points that she raises - for example, even the 'healthy' choices in restaurants and in school cafeteria food containing far more energy than a child needs in one meal, and actual energy content differing to the provided nutrition statement. I do now see her point in that had she been less strict with Bea, Bea would most likely still be overweight, because there just are not healthy choices there for kids to make - even those that 'seem' healthy are far too large or aren't as healthy as they appear.

I also think that the nutrition services that they initially went to - and left when faced with no support and a pretty poor attitude - should attract harsh criticism. If these people had been doing their job, in fact, being doing anything that was required of them adequately - then I think this story would have had a much less distressing path for all involved.

I still don't think Weiss went about helping Bea become healthier the right way, and I worry about whether Bea will end up with a serious eating disorder in the future. But I now see Weiss's side of things and feel she was justified in making most of the choices she did - and only meant well for her daughter.

3 stars out of five.

Both of us were read to, and both of us gained our love of books through reading being prescribed as a 'cure' for something!
it truly is a gift. It's made my life magical, and given me a way to escape to another world.
BABYSITTERS CLUB!!! OMG. I could not get enough of them!!!

It does sound like that from the description and from reviews from others I've read. Unfortunately there are lots of foster parents who are as bad/abusive/screwed up as the homes a lot of these kids have been taken from and that is heartbreaking.
I would prefer to read about how things really were - because nobody is perfect and no family is perfect, and when things seem a little too shiny my bullshit radar goes off.

That's incredible isn't it? And some of the things they used to do. Even here in Australia, for example at Wolston Park, the asylum there, the way they used to treat them was horrific. And they used to do lobotomies! cut out the actual frontal lobe of the brain! Thank God we don't do that any more.
At the RBH there is a nursing museum and as recently as the 1960's they used the same insulin therapy that they used with people with schizophrenia on people with eating disorders. (The insulin put them in a coma and they were 'a lot better' when they woke up. Apparently.) They used the insulin to make the people who were 'refusing to eat' NEED to eat or risk coma. Barbaric!!

Wow. My mind is boggling just reading this description. I definitely have this on my 'must read' shelf (did I click it?) Human Tracesbut I think it's going to be a while before I'm able to read that and not go crosseyed from the dumbz.
It sounds fascinating. Mental illness is a complicate and still not well known subject in our modern day, because stigma and trying to 'push it under the carpet' literally, has meant we are very behind in researching it and learning about it compared to many other areas of health and science.
I think it sounds fantastic too because it's combined a story of two men with the information it contains - makes it human. Mental illness affects more of our lives than many of us realise. Even if we 'don't have anyone in our lives with mental illness' we interact with people with one every single day - it's that widespread and often that invisible.
Looking forward to hearing what you actually think of it :) What was your fave bit? What if anything did you dislike?

Hey :) I'm Fiona. I'm 35 and I have always, always loved to read. Ange is my dear friend and honorary little sister - we made this group so that we could have intelligent discussion about what we have read and are reading - and hope that some other people might join us.
When I was 3, I was found to be profoundly deaf and in order to teach me to speak, people read to me. Books were taped and I listened to them as I read, too. I fell in love. I've never been without a book since, except for more recent years where cognitive problems stole a lot of my ability to read - a real shame. Trying to get it back!