Sherlock Holmes discussion

I just watched the first episode.
It's okay, nothing amazing like Sherlock.
This version of Holmes is not asexual(He has sex with women) so I predict the only reason for making Watson female was probably to add (heterosexual) romance. Which is a bit disappointing. I wish they would've made Holmes female too.

Muffins. :P I knew this would happen. Grr. That's why I have no interest in seeing it. Sherlock and the Sherlock Holmes movies is enough for me. After that, I'll just stick to the old reliable books.

Actually, I've been following Elementary and it's growing on me. It's no BBC Sherlock, but I still enjoy it. I find this Sherlock a very good portrayal of the character. I like the fact we see the druggie Sherlock-the one who is recovering from serious addictions. I also have heard that the female Watson is there to show that a man and woman can be 'just friends'. It's been maybe four or five episodes into the season, and I see no indication that there will be any romantic interactions between Watson and Holmes. In fact, Watson goes on a date in the latest episode, and later tells Holmes she's not currently interested in a relationship, and only went on the date because her friend tried so hard to set her up with the man.
I do agree, however, that it would be interesting to see a female Sherlock.

*wise old Englishman voice* Hmm. I will go ponder this...

Robin I agree Elementary is no BBC but it is still a good crime show. It is a little different then most crime shows I forget it is suppose to be a Sherlock Holmes till they mention their names.

The series is growing on me, but I do not view it as a "Sherlock" story. Just an entertaining crime show. I would like to see the storyline veer away from the murder of the week format. Holmes was not just about dead bodies. "Red-Headed League", for example. Clever, with a few twists and turns. Still, I just stated that "Elementary" is not Sherlock. I am contradicting myself.

One problem I have with it is the fact Holmes' father is involved when he is never mentioned in the books

The father does not bother me. Lucy Liu definitely does not bother me. The cop not being Lestrade bothers me. NYC bothers me.

Krystal wrote: "One problem I have with it is the fact Holmes' father is involved when he is never mentioned in the books"

GAH! That would bother me too! I was forced to watch this horrible Sherlock Holmes movie in school once, and it had both his parents in it. GRR.
I WANTED TO KILL THE MAKERS OF THAT MOVIE. THEY DID EVERYTHING WRONG.

Do you remember the name of the movie? I do not mind Mycroft because he is one of my favorite characters.

But, his father isn't actually IN the show. They only use him as the invisible person who hired Watson.

Krystal wrote: "Do you remember the name of the movie? I do not mind Mycroft because he is one of my favorite characters."

... It kills me to even type the name... It was called Young Sherlock Holmes. It should be called REPULSIVE!!!!
:P :P :P :P :P Horrid, horrid, horrid.

Oh I wanted to see that onw

So, does Elementary have any references to the actual books/stories, or are the episodes just completely made up and using just the characters?

So far, the episodes have only the two main characters, and the stories are entirely new. There seems little inclination to link the series to Doyle.

The only reference to Doyles work that I can see is names of the characters

Ian wrote: "The series is growing on me, but I do not view it as a "Sherlock" story. Just an entertaining crime show. I would like to see the storyline veer away from the murder of the week format. Holmes was ..."

Exactly how I feel about it! :D

Ian wrote: "So far, the episodes have only the two main characters, and the stories are entirely new. There seems little inclination to link the series to Doyle."

There was one thing, I think it was in the first episode, where Holmes tells Watson that there isn't enough space in his "attic" to store everything that he learns, so he must disregard the unimportant things. I do believe that was taken from A Study in Scarlet.

Karen yes that was taken from the story but the cases are not they are all new this last weeks I guess could be said to have ties to The Spekaled Band because ithe talks about a doctor that goes bad.

Karen wrote: "Ian wrote: "So far, the episodes have only the two main characters, and the stories are entirely new. There seems little inclination to link the series to Doyle."

There was one thing, I think it w..."

Ooh, I love that line in the book! :D

Yes, the reference to his "attic" comes from "A Study in Scarlet", but what always struck me is that Holmes can and does change over the course of his life. In "The Adventure of the Lion's Mane" he mentions his "encyclopaedic reading" (from memory), which allowed him to solve the death in the short story.

Holmes was able to throw off his erroneous Victorian era understanding of the brain.

The latest episode (the plane crash) was entertaining, a few twists and turns, but I am rapidly growing tired of the 'murder of the week' format. Holmes was about a great deal more than solving mere murders. The last episode also hinted that the series might be wandering towards the murky waters of the characters' psychological backgrounds—who cares? Everyone has issues. Simply suppress them, like everyone else does and keep smiling. Holmes is about the deduction of subtle and elusive mysteries, not procedural cop shows.

I'm only mildly interested in seeing this show. But I suppose I will. And yeah, I agree with you on the 'murder of the week' thing. Sometimes the most trivial things are the most intriguing, as Holmes so often says. ;)

Ian in agree the murder of the week is getting really old the only way they get away with it is they are interesting cases.

Yah.

I did watch a few and like everyone else, its no BBC Sherlock but its ok. I spent a evening working on a craft project, watching it one right after other. It was not a bad way to spend a evening.

I wonder if Elementary will eventually turn up on Netflix...

jic anyone is interested, I have given up on "Elementary". It just could not hold my interest, even with Lucy Liu. The acting was ok, but the stories were increasingly banal, repetitive. Alas, I believe it had the potential to be better, but the script writers let it down.

I have seen all but last weeks, I have been to busy with school and work to watch it.

I've seen them all.
I'm sticking with my opinion that BBC is certainly superior, but Elementary is still worth watching. The one that showed on January 10th I'm sure could respark any interest you had, Ian. Your interest could vary upon episode due to the writers. I find I like the ones written by Robert Doherty best.

@Robin, for you, and at your recommendation, I will take a look at that ep, as soon as the opportunity presents itself (at the moment, travelling). I hope to be proven wrong.

I do hope you enjoy it!
And safe and happy travelling!

In 2 weeks (will be on a freighter) I will let you know :).

@Robin. Ok, Moriarty. Will see where it goes.

Oh, you watched it! Thoughts? Better or worse than the others in your opinion?

Robin. I have watched to ep 12. I like the change to a slightly darker and more serious story, but somehow it still has not grabbed my total attention. I believe it is the characterisation of Holmes puts me off.

Holmes was a Vulcan a century before Roddenberry invented the species. Jonny Lee Miller plays Holmes as a wry character, not how I take Doyle's Holmes to be. Also, for Holmes, I like the story to focus near exclusively on the detecting. We are now seeing families, intra-personal stuff, and even a little gossip. tsk tsk.

I will watch a few more eps and see how it goes.

Yes, I agree that I think the more serious tone is what made me like it more than some of the others.
As for Holmes, I think I know what you're saying, but at the same time, in some ways, I must object. Obviously we couldn't have Elementary just be another BBC Sherlock. I don't even think it could have been any good if they had tried to do that. So some things had to be different, and one of those things was that Holmes is a little more wry. However, I do agree that I could go without the family issues and the gossip, as well as some of the personal stuff. Some of the personal stuff, though, like Irene, need to be there to make the plot work.

I plan on doing the same...We shall see!

ditto !

they are starting to do better. I just watched episode 15 i think and it was really dark

I have now watched through to episode 16—Holmes uncovers Watson's deception, in that she is no longer employed as his sober companion (one wonders how she hoped to hide this from the ace detective), and she stays on as his apprentice. The Moriarty arc is in abeyance, we have the murder of the week format back in full play.

Overall, I enjoy the stories. I plan to continue to watch indefinitely, though it will not be at the top of my "must see tv" list. Holmes is rounding out as a dark, troubled character, with passions and desires. This is somewhat different from Doyle's Holmes, but not objectionably so. Lucy Liu is demonstrating that she is not only cute, but a great actress. She plays the role of Holmes's foil entertainingly, with wit and charm.

My hope is that the series continues its gradual improvement, and that the Moriarty arc is developed.

Amen. You basically expressed my opinions and hopes for the series.

Is it just me, or is Lucy Liu gathering more and more of the focus of the series upon her self?

Mel wrote: "Krystal wrote: "Do you remember the name of the movie? I do not mind Mycroft because he is one of my favorite characters."

... It kills me to even type the name... It was called Young Sherlock Hol..."

I've seen that, it looks A_W_F_U_L!!!

I live in NZ, so it's only just started showing. I'm going to give it a try, but I have VERY low expectations.

"Very LOW" is too strong, how about moderate expectations? "Damming with faint praise."

I'm not very happy about the increased focus on Watson, either. I was beginning to grow kind of fond to the newer, darker Sherlock. And now we have Watson stealing the spotlight.

I agree that "very low" might be too low.
Personally, I'm aiming to stick it out for the season and see if it continues to be spotty in its greatness, or if it all goes to Watson, or if it just declines. Who knows, maybe it'll continue to improve.

I seem to have offended you people, how rude of me. That's what happens when you read/watch too much Sherlock. I watched it last night, it was OK, but it didn't seem very clever to me. This might just be because I am a MAJOR bbc fan, but it didn't seem very "clever" to me.

No offence taken. I agree with what you siad. "Elementary" is what it is, a mid-level series. Entertaining to watch, once, but most likely no need to re-watch, whereas the BBC "Sherlock" is a series I have re-watched several times.


spoiler alert:
The next "Elementary" has Lucy Liu handing a case on her own. Interesting to see where this goes.

Oh, no, I'm terribly sorry if I seemed a little blunt back there! You most certainly did not offend me. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Oh god, really? I'm torn between horror and interest. It's like when you see a car crash and you find yourself unable to look away, kind of. We'll have to see how it goes with her.

I'm gonna go find this on the internet one of these days. I'm a teensy more interested now, for some reason...

Okay, so I just turned on the tv and Elementary was on. I decided to watch a bit of it and the first thing I saw was Sherlock Holmes attacking a dummy with a stick. Then Watson walked in. I can't watch this. There's a female Watson. I'm sorry. I'm trying to give this a chance but I just can't. I'm so sorry.