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The Most "Miserable" Character


Fantine ends up having such a miserable existence though she started life as rather a 'gentle' soul and she really went through a lot. The same can be said for Val Jean, jailed for a stupidly long time for a minor crime, hounded for years... apart from the time he was the mayor/town leader he was never really able to just rest and not have to look over his shoulder for Javert, and then when he was dying he was miserable because he was trying to do right by Cosette but it hurt him so much.


I think Sheri's students got it right. Eponine loses some of my sympathy when she fails to pass the letter until the very end. Fantine is presented as a more altruistic character and thus her unrealized hopes are all the more poignant.


You taught LM to 9th-graders??? I would assume it was the abridged version at least? I actually read it on my own for the first time in 9th grade (an abridged Wilbour version), but it was not easy, and in general it's not a book that I would imagine most students in high school would be mature enough to handle. But maybe I'm wrong. :)
As for Eponine, it's not just that she didn't deliver his letter right away--it's the fact that she sent Marius into the barricades so that they could both die together! Not exactly Mother Theresa, if you ask me. ;)
I can't remember--did Eponine ever realize that the beautiful Cosette was formerly The Lark? I could go back and look it up (was she in the room when Monsieur and Madame Scuzzball brought it up?), but I don't recall hearing Eponine ever mention that point.
Overall, I'd probably go with Fantine, for reasons that others have mentioned.

Mike, in response to "it's not a book that I would imagine most students in high school would be mature enough to handle", I read it unabridged in French in the summer between my junior and senior year and wrote a thesis, also in French, about the female characters. It was the hardest thing I have ever done, but I did it. Some of my peers have read it in English.
I do not think Eponine ever realized that the Alouette was Marius' girlfriend. When Marius asks her about Monsieur Leblanc, she only refers to Cosette as, "La belle demoiselle."
Sheri, do you teach at an advanced school?

Thanks for the info, Lauren. But that doesn't really dispute my point. I said "most students in high school," not all students. Certainly those who truly excel in English could tackle it, but those students would definitely be in the minority IMO. In fact, I didn't know anyone else in my high school who had read the book period. But that was long before it was ever a musical, so maybe just not enough people at my school had ever heard of it.
Actually, I find it quite amazing that you read the whole thing in French while still a high school student. When did you start taking French? In elementary school, perhaps?
Even though I read LM in 9th grade, I don't think I truly grasped its themes. In fact, I read it again (the unabridged Fahnestock version) in my early 20s, but still didn't delve all that deeply into its meanings. Having finally read it for the third time, I feel as if I am now able to "get" a lot of things about the novel that I could never see when I was a lot younger. Anyway, I guess my point is that, if I were an English teacher, I would certainly allow some of my students to read LM, but I wouldn't assign it to a whole class or anything--at least not at your average school.
Perhaps your hunch is correct that Sheri teaches at an advanced school.
I do not think Eponine ever realized that the Alouette was Marius' girlfriend. When Marius asks her about Monsieur Leblanc, she only refers to Cosette as, "La belle demoiselle."
OK, thanks. I guess that's a good thing, or else Eponine might not have been nearly as charitable as she was. ;) But I imagine Cosette eventually came to realize the role that her "evil stepsister" played in her and her hubby's relationship. :)
P.S. You should post your thesis here. ;)


Wow, you're right. It's not weird at all, I think it's actually a good answer. Not only is it different, but it makes perfect sense.


I actually started learning it my freshman year but I picked it up really quickly.

Mike wrote: "Sheri wrote: "When I taught this, I always had my students (9th graders) write a persuasive argument naming Eponine or Fantine as the most tragic character. Generally I had a number who felt that E..."
Mike wrote: "Sheri wrote: "When I taught this, I always had my students (9th graders) write a persuasive argument naming Eponine or Fantine as the most tragic character. Generally I had a number who felt that E..."
I don't know about 9th grade, but I read it for pleasure (unabridged) when I was 17 (11th grade) and loved it!
I agree with all the above about Fantine and Eponine. But let me be the controversial one and say Javert. Fantine's sacrifices were out of compassion and love for her daughter. Eponine's plight, though a bit misguided, was also out of love and compassion for the man she pined for. Javert, despite the villanous devil that he is, does not know how to show or even feel compassion,love, or mercy, for that matter. In the end, the compassion and mercy that was shown him by a man he deems 'enemy #1' is beyond his ability to comprehend or accept. He is all justice and mercy has no part of his soul. That, to me, is truly miserable. To live without experiencing love, compassion, mercy etc is a truly miserable life.

I agree! (my comment is above)

For me, Fantine was thrust into miserable circumstances, but she wasn't a miserable person. She did it all for the love of her daughter and made her decisions purposely and was glad she could still support the girl she loved so much. Valjean's promise to care for her daughter let her rest in peace.
Eponine was not my favorite character, though I can certainly empathize with her, I never liked her much. Unrequited love can leave one quite devastated and in a constant state of distress, but I would argue it wasn't a miserable existence.
For me, "Les Miserables" refers to the people of France. I've always felt the conditions of the general populace and the stark contrast between eating spoiled food or eating cake is the real source of the title. It's a pathetic, disease-infested, primarily poor country with no sympathy or help from their government. Couple that with great apathy on the part of the people who are willing to suffer and die in these conditions rather than be killed fighting against a system that cares nothing for them, and you have a generally miserable situation for everyone but the bourgeoisie.

I did teach the abridged version to my Advanced classes and filled them in on anything important that was left out (like the fact that her brother Gavroche cared for their other two brothers on the streets and never knew they were related!)

It's cool that you do that. I think that the ideas in the book are actually perfect for coming-of-age experiences in real life because most of the characters have admirable qualities that, in my case, help me shape my goals of what kind of adult I want to be. It also changed my views of poor people and made me realize the importance of acts of kindness, both large and small. Are you an English or French teacher?

depending on my mood...

this is a good way of putting it

I mean, god, she couldn't care for her own child and so was conned by the Thénardier's for money, she sells her hair and her front teeth, becomes a prostitute, and then gets sick and dies before she ever sees Cosette again.
Each of the characters has their own problems but I think to be put in Fantine's situation would be the absolute worst.

Wow, you read LM after only 3 years of high-school French??? That's definitely amazing. I had a couple of years of college French, but I didn't think that would be enough for me to be able to read the French version of LM, mais peut-etre j'avais tort. ;) It's been ages, though, but I imagine I could get the French back fairly quickly if I tried.
Incidentally, the French version has almost 2,000 pages. Why is it so much longer in French, I wonder? When you read it in French, did your version include the chapter on prostitution, which some French editions are supposed to include?

I knew that Azelma was in the room when all that happened, but I didn't recall whether Eponine was as well (and I didn't feel like going back to look it up ;). Oh, so she saw it all, huh? Then that does add some nobility to her actions.
I did teach the abridged version to my Advanced classes and filled them in on anything important that was left out.
OK, I can at least see 9th-graders reading the abridged version, but I can't imagine the unabridged holding their interest for very long, especially the chapter on Waterloo. ;) Just curious--what abridged version did you teach? As a 9th-grader, I'm sure I would've enjoyed the novel much more if I'd had a more modern translation than the Wilbour.
As for Javert, yes, I felt kind of sorry for him too. He wasn't a saint or anything, but I did feel pity for him that he was unable to come out of his funk and live a more meaningful life after his "epiphany."
Incidentally, I found it odd that the Denny version left out some interesting details concerning Javert's death. His version is very poetic, but he just seemed to arbitrarily pick and choose what to include sometimes.

Wow, you read LM after only 3 years of high-school French??? That's definitely amazing. I had a..."
Merci, Monsieur. I technically took my second level over a summer, so I was one level ahead of my classmates. My teacher had told me that her motivation to do well in French was that she wanted to be able to read the novel during her senior year. Since she's my favorite teacher and I'm her favorite student, she passed this goal on to me. It did include a chapter that talked about prostitution quite a bit, but I'm not sure if it's the one you're referring to.

Fantine, Eponine, Valjean, Javert, Gavroche and his brothers and Cosette as a child and Marius' father are all tragic characters.
The passages that show Cosette in the tavern and in the woods reduce me to tears every time I read it and the sense of deliverance when Valjean picks up the bucket is palpably real. Similarly the moment when Javert realises that he has built his life on shifting sands is incredibly poigniant and the description of Gavroche looking after the two little brothers (although he does not know it) and protecting them from the rats in the elephant are heartrending. I found the description of Valjean after his sentence, miming the seven heads of his sister's children to be incredibly distressing and poor poor Fantine and her hideous, bloodstained smile.
I could go on, but I don't think the book can be broken down into who is the most miserable. Rather I read it that they are all miserable in their own way (to paraphrase Tolstoy). Much like Hardy's characters the starting point of the human condition is misery - some people may escape for a while and some lucky few escape for ever but it is a constant presence and a constant threat.

Je vous en prie, mademoiselle. :)
I technically took my second level over a summer, so I was one level ahead of my classmates.
Level? Do you live in Canada perhaps?
My teacher had told me that her motivation to do well in French was that she wanted to be able to read the novel during her senior year. Since she's my favorite teacher and I'm her favorite student, she passed this goal on to me.
That's sweet. Now you can go on to read Notre-Dame de Paris. ;)
It did include a chapter that talked about prostitution quite a bit, but I'm not sure if it's the one you're referring to.
Supposedly that chapter is included as an appendix in many French versions, but perhaps some even insert it into the main text.
Cosette in the beginning, fantine, and eponine



YES,I think Javert is the most miserable becausem he spent his life in a misguided attempt to achieve moral truth and justice, then couldn't deal with his own shortcomings.

"His whole life hung on these two words: watchfulness and supervision.....And, withal, a life of privation, isolation, abnegation, chastity, with never a diversion.... Javert's ideal, was not to be human, to be grand, to be sublime; it was to be irreproachable." "
Javert missed out on everything that is actually good in the world. ("A man without a woman is a pistol without a trigger; it is the woman that sets the man off") Then he finds out his whole belief system was a sham and his own internal conflict is what destroys him.


"His whole life hung on these two words..."
Love it.

You might not have thought it through that much but... that surprised me!
Best,
K

You might not have thought it through that much but... that surprised me!
Best,
K"
The main reason is probably because I think a part of the story was missing. What did Fantine do for the first two years of Cosette's life? How did she take care of her then? Why the hell did she just leave her daughter with a stranger on the street? That never added up for me and it wasn't really explained in the book (unless it went over my head). We know she was desperate but we also know she had some money and had been taking care of the child up to that point. The whole story hinged on Cosette being given up, yet I never could justify Fantine's reason for doing so (or at the least, How she did it). I don't think Hugo could either, so he just left it out.

I found myself forgiving those things as I went through.
I suppose that's one of the things which make it not as strong as Tolstoy's epics... but then Tolstoy's books aren't as fantastic tales.
On the face of it Hugo's vast arcs are more exciting than Tolstoy's slow deliberate emancipation of the serfs, but because of that they're more difficult to justify.
Nice point.

1/ We can consider Fantine to be Tholomyes's mistress. He might buy her a great deal of clothes, jewelries and other sundry other items. She might also receive a humble income for being a mistress. (Mistress was still considered a kind of job at that time.) After Tholomyes's departure with the wind, she had to sell these things gradually in order to persist in staying alive. Also, Paris was (and always is) a luxurious place.
2/ Cosette's being given away is really obscure. In my reckoning, this twist may be explained by two reasons. First of all, France, at that time, was still fervent Catholic and women's rights was completely fictitious. Having a bastard was such a disgrace for a woman. As depicted in the novels, Fantine was not of a strong spirit. Thus, suffering the indignity was obviously not a wise choice for her. I think this justifies why Fantine had to leave Cosette.
But why did Fantine trust Mme. Thenardier? Fantine was not cunning, instead she had an honestest heart. Moreover, she belonged to the working class and when she had a romantic affair with Tholomyes, she soon forgot who she actually was. She bathed herself with sparkling rays of exuberance. A typical trait of a daydreaming teenager girl. After the lover abandoned her, she couldn't find any job in Paris. Of course, having an infant at home and not working for two years and being alone, how could she? It was really a bedlam and the idea of letting Cosette behind were devouring her mind. When Mme. Thenardier said those children were truly sisters, Fantine immediately catched the phrase. It was just a beam of light for her. Mr. Hugo already said in the book:
Nobody loves the light like the blind man.
In short, Fantine's heart was pure but she was also ignorant about villainy. Perhaps, Cosette inherited her mother's guileless innocence.
3/ The important point is that Fantine, and later Cosette, were not human. They were roses with seraphic fragrance. They were so perfectly pure. I think this was Mr. Hugo's intention, because later he said:
The darkly mysterious nettle had loved and protected the lily.
@Kit: I just have a look on your comments and I am so exalted that there IS a person who loves and enjoys the whole book.


1/ We can consider Fantine to be Tholomyes's mistress. He might buy her a great deal of clothes, jewelries a..."
Thank you for this, appreciate everyone's feedback.
Selling objects and not being able to work make sense. What doesn't make sense to me is that she had been a mother for two years (a reality slap if there ever was one) and could have at least made some sort of decent plan as of what to do in that amount of time. Like find a decent family if leaving Cosette was the only option. People do things that don't make any sense all the time though.



I think you've rationalised Fantine quite well!
I certainly agree with your points Suha and A.R.
Certainly Jean Valjean lives for the others around him.
He is forced to give up his own identity because of an unfair legal system.
I suppose he does have the two periods which seem stable and happy enough; being the Mayor and in the Convent.
And at the end of his life everything comes full circle and completes for him... but you couldn't call it a happy ending!
;-)

"His whole life hung on these two words..."
Agreed. He just tried to do what he thinks is right and the fact that he'd never known love just pains me. I just think he definitely deserves more sympathy.
I also cried a lot for Valjean, in the end. I feel legit tears welling up when he told Cosette not to call him father anymore and I started to sob when she slowly began to forget about him and I cried like mad when he stopped going to see her and she hardly noticed. That's probably the saddest part. But the saddest character is Javert.
(Sorry for my terrible English..)

The truly miserable characters endure years of misery; off and on for some, like Valjean, unabated for others like Fantine. They endured misery that even time and frequency of exposure could not condition out of them because after all as one becomes inured to misery it ceases to be misery.
Javert's acute misery at the end proves this for me. He was unprepared for such harsh realities, incapable of dealing with a sudden and disorienting assault on his mores. He endured for hours what the others endure for lives and I cannot balance his with theirs.

For me, Fantine was thrust into miserable circumstances, but she wasn't a mi..."
I agree totally with your reasons that Fantine and Eponine were not the most miserable. I think Javert was the most miserable because he thought he was right and moral, yet never grew from his experiences and couldn't live with himself when Valjean treated him the exact opposite way he had anticipated and he was forced to see Valjean in a completely different light.

"His whole life hung on th..."
Your English is good!

Very well reasoned point.

The former, as John points out, requires more emotions than Javert has.
The later implies the reader feeling pity for someone, in this case who has no human relationships, who is a miser.
Fantine, and Eponine probably fit into the first set.
Thernadiers probably the second.
What about Gavroche and the Students?
Loving this discussion.

Great point. But Javert never was conscious of being miserable because he was never consciously happy either. He never had anything to lose except his own ideal. Just because he isn't aware of his tragedy doesn't make it any less so, I think. It actually makes it more sad.
The other character that I found to be sad was the Bishop's sister's maid. The Bishop lived a pretty strict life and his sister seemed content in taking care of him but I wonder if that maid was happy cleaning that silverware every night and living off nothing. The Bishop did it for his own reasons, the sister too but the maid was just there because she had no where else to be.
I took this post question to mean "Which character had the most miserable fate" and not "Which character felt the most turmoil out of their misery". The question could lead to multiple interpretations and all the characters were pretty damn miserable. I can see why we all have different perceptions and answers.
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