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What are U doing today? (Ongoing thread)

I hope it helps my tired old muscles and joints.
See the following link for more information:
http://www.arc.org.uk/arthinfo/patpub...
The name of the article is:
"Hydrotherapy and Arthritis"

With the time change & the nice weather, I got out last night to start playing with my new fish pond. It's about the size of a bathtub & I dug it in last Fall. No fish or plants yet. I have a small waterfall/stream going into it. I'm hoping it will attract a lot of butterflies & birds this year. I guess I'll have to put a heater in it next winter.
Anyway, last night I dumped dirt into the bottom in preparation for the gold fish & lilies I have for it. I got the pump all hooked up & a big rock set at an angle so that anything that falls in can get out. I have it in a corner made by the back deck & the house. I have Day Lilies along one side of the porch & a couple of Blue Smoke bushes & hostas along the house. It should be pretty once everything settles in & grows up.

I googled for "blue smoke bush" which is a new name for me.
Didn't find much in the way of photos.
I found Royal Purple Smokebush:
http://www.naturehills.com/catalog/Bu...
I also found a pdf page:
https://rirdc.infoservices.com.au/dow...
A good photo of the Blue Smoke bush is on page 26 of that file. So you have to scroll down.
I see why they call it a smoke bush. It looks smokey. :)
Very pretty. Is it originally from Australia?
Hope Marg's root canal will go well. Ear aches are so painful. Hope the antibiotics work.

I'll try to take some pictures of the pond & post them when I get it done & there's some growth. It's not really pretty right now. Cold today, too - in the 40's. I'll still have to get out there & clean the pump tonight. Ugh.
Marg seemed to come through her root canal OK. We'll see how she is tonight.

Cold? That sounds tropical at this point! LOL
Those Blue Smoke bushes must be tough! I wonder how they'd survive in the North Country of NYS. We lost a Mountain Laurel to the cold winters... or maybe I didn't water it enough. Who knows. Here's a pic: ====>
http://www.nicholsonprints.com/PhotoP...
Mountain Laurels are supposed to grow wild in the woods. We bought the bush in CT and the tag indicated it could survive cold winters. Oh, well, another failed garden experiment.
I'm only lucky with geraniums and basil... and maybe a few others like begonias.
See my flower pics here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Sea1934/M...#
http://picasaweb.google.com/Sea1934/M...#
You can't say I don't try. :)





Amber doesn't keep us on our toes as much as our wallets flat on the ground.

http://www.wysiwygwood.com/pictures.html
At the top is a spooky moon picture & at the bottom is a picture of my son with his dog in a back pack. Apparently they ride that way to work every day. A guy who has a blog did one on bike riding in Louisville & took his picture. I got this copy of it.

http://www.wysiwygwood.com/pictures.html
At the top is a spooky moon picture & at the bottom is a picture of my son with his dog in a ba..."
That moon pic is spooky and wouldn't it make a great Halloween pic. You can almost imagine a witch riding her broom against the moon. The twins are twenty five years old and still full of IT. When we in the family would figure out for the day which one was which they would sneak into the bedroom and change clothes. They drove their teachers crazy; changing desks etc. For a long time when they were toddlers they refused to talk to others but only spoke to each other in their own language..It drove their parents crazy. nina


http://www.wysiwygwood.com/pictures.html
At the top is a spooky moon picture & at the bottom is a picture of my son with his dog in a ba..."
Jim, that link doesn't bring me to the moon picture page. It brings me to the "Family Pictures" with pics of you Jack Russell at the top.




Oh, Randi, this must be a terrible waiting period for you. I hope everything turns out alright. I'm sending good thoughts and wishes your way. What were your symptoms?

You've been to the page before & are caching your web pages. Refresh the page by going there & hitting the F5 key. You should change your Internet settings to refresh every time you visit a page. In Internet Explorer 7, that's Tools - Internet Options - Browsing History - Settings - 'Check for newer versions' - Every time.

Yesterday, we had 2 of the kids over for a corned beef, cabbage & red potato dinner - my usual birthday dinner. Cheese cake for dessert - yum! We fiddled with the pond some, took a walk & James replaced the keyboard & touch pad on Erin's laptop. We played a few games of dominoes, too. Nice & relaxing.

..You've been to the page before & are caching your web pages. Refresh the page by going there & hitting the F5 key..."
Ah, so it's my browser that caused the trouble! Thanks for explaining, Jim.
Today I went back to your link and it worked this time. I guess it finally refreshed itself.
It certainly was a spooky moon with those spooky cloud formations.
The moon is always such a beautiful thing to behold.
I'll remember to press F5 next time the hang-up happens. Don't know how to find the settings on my Mozilla Firefox browser. I don't use IE.
Hey, check out this photo of the moon at the North Pole: ====>
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/nor...
(I found it via Google images.)
About the pic, the website says:
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"A scene you will probably never get to see, so take a moment and enjoy God at work at the North Pole. This is the sunset at the North Pole with the moon at its closest point. And you also see the sun below the moon. An amazing photo and not one easily duplicated."
ABOVE FROM: http://www.hoax-slayer.com/issue59.html
(Scroll down to the area toward the bottom of the page.)
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Yesterday, we had 2 of the kids..."
Sounds like a wonderful family day and a great way to celebrate your birthday.
Happy Birthday!

What did you learn about Backyard Birding at the class?
Hope Marg is feeling better.

Marg is feeling better, thanks.
Marg & I go to Salado a fair amount. I started it because they have a good native plant program. One of the Extension Office people, Kim, told me about it, so I went there last year for a Winter Tree ID Hike that was given by a professor from Kentucky University. Now they send me a flyer every month with a list of all the programs they're teaching.
Next weekend is 'Planting with Native Plants'. I'm thinking about it. I have a meadow in the middle of the woods that I'm trying to get back to a more natural state. It was full of multifloral rose & honeysuckle, but I cleared it out & planted some native grasses last year. They didn't seem to take well, though.
We have so much stuff that we planted in the past 2 years, that I don't think I want to do much more right now. Let things settle in some. We planted over 100 bulbs, mostly Daffodil, last Fall. I also planted a lot of lilies & liriope, especially on the steep hill between my shop & the road. It's a pain to mow, so I'm hoping to cover it in flowers. I put 5 forsythia bushes at the top of the slope, too. It should be a jungle in a few years.
I also got 3 hazelnut bushes from the Arbor Day Society. I put them in my garden to winter, but it looks like 2 died.


I hope you get good news today, Randi.
Good wishes are coming your way!

Sounds like you're doing the right thing garden-wise, Jim. The forsythia are always bright and cheery harbingers of springtime. They're usually very hardy too. They're the first thing my dad brought to our garden when we bought our Mahopac, NY, house in 1966. They always looked great and were easy to take care of.
You've reminded me of a poem we copied into our notebooks in Mrs. Van Hoesen's 5th grade back in the 1940s. I still have that notebook. The first verse:
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I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
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The rest of the Wordsworth poem is at:
http://www.poetry-online.org/wordswor...
I always get a little thrill from it since it's part of my youth.
Hope your garden thrives after all your hard work.
Glad to hear Marg is better.

..You've been to the page before & are caching your web pages. Refresh the page by going the..."
That north pole photo is awesome. Overused word but how else to describe it..nina


What other countries have you visited? The only places I've visited outside the USA are Canada and Bermuda.


That's quite a list, Randi!
What kind of souvenirs did you bring back?
I treasure all my little souvenirs, even if they're inexpensive baubles. Below is a link to one of my favorites: ====>
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL25/9...
He's only about 4 inches high. :)


Owls seem to be very popular. One time I gave a co-worker a gift of an owl figurine, representing her wisdom. She said to me: "How did you know I collect owls?". Actually, I didn't know. It was just a great coincidence!
Have you heard any news from the doctors yet, Randi?

I am probably going to take off a 1/2 day today & all day tomorrow. Last night, Erin & I expanded the little fish pond. We used plastic & rocks to about double the surface area to make a spot for birds to bathe/drink & butterflies to cluster. It was warm yesterday, about 60 & beautiful. Today & tomorrow are supposed to hit 70 with lots of sun & very little wind. Perfect for spraying.
While collecting rocks for the pond, I noticed that the Multifloral Rose & Honeysuckle are starting to really put out leaves. Most of the native vegetation is still dormant, so I'm going to use an herbicide to kill those back. I use Luv-Esther (2-4-D) which kills broad leaved plants, but not grass & since the natives are still resting, they'll be OK, too. I'll just kill the invaders! Garlic Mustard too. Nasty stuff.
I use a 4 gallon backpack sprayer to do this. Over the years, Mom & I have found that Solo makes the best one.
http://solousa.com/store/browse/backp...
We both use the top one, the 425, not the deluxe. They've sure gone up in price! They were steady at about $80 for 15 years or so. Now they're $130. Ouch. Glad I have 2.
We've tried other, cheaper sprayers & the big problem seems the pump leaking, which is really bad. The pump is on the bottom of the tank & when it leaks, the contents trickle down your back & into your pants. Not only uncomfortable, but dangerous. It's a poison, after all. I don't know why companies even make such garbage.

Jim, I googled for "Multifloral Rose" and found the following webpage:
http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/chf/outreach...
(Scroll down for text.)
I had just wanted to see a photo, but as I read the various hits, I found the following:
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"Effects Upon Natural Areas
Multiflora rose readily invades prairies, savannas, open woodland, and forest edges. It is a thorny, bushy shrub that can form impenetrable thickets or "living fences" and smother out other vegetation. It is a serious pest species throughout the eastern United States.
"Current Status
Multiflora rose is categorized as an exotic weed under the Illinois Exotic Weed Control Act of 1987. As such, the sale or planting of this species within Illinois is prohibited."
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So I suppose that's why you're trying to get rid of it. I wonder how it got there in the first place.
Anyway, please be sure to post pics of your pond when it's finished.
I bought a spray to kill the grassy weeds which grow between our patio blocks. I have to be careful that it's not harmful to the dog.
When is the best time to spray? Can I spray in the cracks before the grassy weeds starts to show up?
It's probably grass, but when they it grows up where I don't want it, I call it a weed. :)

When to spray & what to spray with is a tough question. I'm doing it now because I don't have to worry about the herbicide killing off good stuff. I got about 1/4 of the woods done today. It was just beautiful out. A great day to be out walking around & working in the woods. I also got more rocks for the fish pond & put the gold fish out in it. It's been a wonderful birthday. Lots accomplished & yet it was a relaxing day.

You certainly deserve it.
You're very knowledgable and I enjoy reading your posts. I enjoy your enthusiasm for your projects.
Thanks for explaining about the Multifloral Rose. There's a purple flowering weed around here that's taking over the wetlands, but I can't think of its name.

Well, the fish pond lost 10 gallons of water the first night. Hopefully I got it fixed yesterday. I guess I'll find out tonight. It's amazing how a tiny dribble of water can do that.
I got the fields harrowed last night. I use a chain harrow, sometimes called a chain drag to go around the fields to break up the piles of manure. It also aerates the soil a bit & levels out some spots. Along the woods, it breaks up the leaf piles so grass can grow, too. It only takes me a few hours twice or 3 times a year, to drag our 10 acres of fields, so it isn't too bad.
No fertilizer or over-seeding this year, which saves time. The soil samples were good last year, nothing needed but a bit of lime & some nitrogen. The fields can always use both, but they weren't bad last year, so this year I'm sure they're fine.
Nitrogen is very expensive &, due to Homeland Security, the kind we get stinks. No one will sell ammonium nitrate because of the paperwork required. The urea, which we now have to use, is pelletized with coating, so it doesn't go into the ground very well on grass. Washes away real easily, too. It's no good for snow melt, either. I think we're paying too high a price to be safe.

Jim, to me, 10 acres is a good sized field!
BTW, did you do that in the dark?
You mentioned nitrogen. On the info sheet that comes with Peter's Plant Food, they explain the different ingredients of plant food and their ratios for different purposes,
i.e., Nitrogen, Phosphorous, and Potash (potassium) etc.
I've always found the ratios interesting:
e.g., 20-20-20 ... or 15-10-15 (standard Miracle Grow ?)
See: ====> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Fertilizer...
Certain ingredients encourage blooms & certain ones encourage other aspects of plant growth.
The ratio in Peters "Blossom Booster" plant food is 10-30-20.
For Peters "Super Blossom Booster" it's: 10-50-10.
The first number is for nitrogen.
The second number is phosphoric acid.
The third number is for soluble potash.
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BELOW ARE EXCERPTS FROM: ====> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Fertilizer...
"The 3 numbers on the bags of fertilizer are always NITROGEN-PHOSPORUS OXIDE-POTASH in that order. These lables gives information about the amount of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium which is in the bag. e.g. bag of 20-10-10 will contain 20% nitrogen, 10% phosphorus oxide, and 10% potash (potassium). Another fertilizer like 10-2-6 will have 10% nitrogen, 2% phosphorus oxide and 6% potassium.
"Generally leafy plants (ferns, hostas, grass, etc) require high nitrogen fertilizers as they consume relatively little potassium and phosphorus. Flowering plants on the other hand have a very high need for potassium and especially phosphorus (the second number).
Fruiting plants are similar to flowers except they benefit from added potassium and calcium also."
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The following pages below go into detail about the benefits of the different ingredients in plant food. ====>
http://justsopress.typepad.com/garden...
http://www.elsenburg.com/info/els/046...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...
Jim, I know you know all of the above. I'm just gathering it for my own records. So I might as well post it here too. :)

That's a good explanation you came across. Plenty of calcium in the soil is needed for tomato plants, although a wet year will also require calcium sprays to keep the level up high enough. Otherwise leaves will shrivel & you get blossom end rot.
You have to remember Lime, too. It sweetens the soil or makes it more basic. Depending on the plant, the PH can be very important. The forage grasses tend to like it a bit more basic. Urine, poop & decaying grass all add to soil acidity, so a good spread of lime is needed occasionally.
Evergreens, Azaleas & Rhododendrons like & need soil more acidic, as a rule. They'll get fungus if it's not acidic enough & other issues.

Some of the keys to identification aren't just the feathers of a bird, but where you'll find it & it's habits. Of even more interest to me was the bird calls. For instance, the Black Capped Chickadee & the Carolina Chickadee are very close in all the above mentioned areas, but their songs are completely different. Ditto with Sparrows. So how do you learn bird songs? Well, apparently all you do is contact:
Ohio Division of Wildlife
2045 Morse Road Bldg G
Columbus, OH 43229
1-800-WILDLIFE
1-800-945-3543
www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife
They'll send you a free CD with 103 different bird songs & a birding guide for FREE!
That sounds like a lot of bird songs, but it really isn't. There are a lot more birds than that you're likely to meet, but it's a good start. It was recommended that you listen to the CD over & over again, maybe on your commute to work, & you'll get to know them.

Some of the keys to identifica..."I will send for that CD. We have lots and lots of black capped chickadees. nina

That's why feathers aren't the only thing used to identify them. Often you can't get a good enough look at them. Range/habitat often overlaps, too. It was quite an eye-opening class.

I'll have to tell Eddie about the calcium being important for tomato plants. He gave up because he wasn't having any luck with them.
Your farm sounds big enough for me. Do you raise your own hay for the horses?
Thanks for the info about the bird songs. We have a clock which puts out 12 different bird songs and I still don't know which is which, except maybe the cardinals and the black-capped chickadees, who are among my favorite birds.

Marg found a nice farmer down the road who makes excellent hay. We bought 400 bales a year from him last year. Hopefully we'll keep being able to do so. It's not delivered, but that's OK.

Do they graze on the fescue?
I've never thought about all these differences.
Eddie's father used to like Zoysia grass, for its hardiness, I think. But in its dormant season it was a tan color and didn't turn green as fast as other grasses.
I found a good web page about different types of lawn grasses here: ====>
http://www.gardenplace.com/content/ca...
Like everything else, there's more to grass than meets the eye. Eddie has never been fussy about our grass. He keeps it mowed but that's all. Some people make a big fuss about having beautiful grass. It's nice, I suppose, but it's an awful lot of work.

Alfalfa is a type of hay, but it's a legume & fixes nitrogen in the soil, so it's not a grass like Timothy or Meadow Grass, which are also hay types. It's not great for pasture, although some doesn't hurt. It's very rich, but doesn't carpet the ground the same way or stand up to high usage.
Fescue is considered an invasive by the Extension Office as it displaces a lot of the native grasses. It can be an issue with cows & pregnant mares since it has some kind of fungus or something. It makes cattle have 'hot belly' I think & it can make a pregnant mare abort. Since we already had it in the field & only have geldings now, I don't mind it.
It's tough to get rid of, anyway. We tried after one of our mares lost a foal in MD, but you basically have to kill everything, plow & reseed (expensive!) with other grasses & then you still wind up fighting it. Not worth it for us.
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