Whispers at Moonrise question

I vote for Derek. I don't hate Lucas, not even for what he did at the end, but what is clear is that his priority is his pack. Seems like Kylie's friends are leaning Derek as well.

So I wrote a huge rant at this website: http://cchunterbooks.com/blog/2011/11...

I'll repost it here! :)

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TEAM DEREK!!!! And here is why:

I just finished Book 4, and I guess the main reason I hate Lucas is pretty obvious (CONTAINS SPOILERS):

Lucas is freaking engaged to another girl, and yeah, I get it. He had to go with the engagement to please his dad, yada yada. But he could have at least *told* Kylie. Did he? No. She found out herself, through HER LOVE RIVAL FREDERICKA. How ridiculous is that??

But there are other reasons.
1) Whenever Kylie starts her ghost-speaking thing, Lucas freaks out (which is understandable), but he also refuses to talk to her about it. Refuses to talk about it, hear about it, or even be near her when she has to deal with ghosts. But whenever there’s “pack stuff” going on, he expects Kylie to just nod and smile and say sweetly, “Okay, honey, I totally get it.” That’s called being selfish.
2) When Kylie was upset with her parents in the latter half of Book 4, did Lucas come out with her? No. He followed her about halfway, and then when she turned around, where did he go? Oh! Pack business. As usual.
3) I’m slightly bothered that he never outright asks her about her preferences with “the big deed” (AKA “getting it on,” etc in Della’s terms). He just decides to touch her every which way and use his strange wolfy pheremones on her.
4) If he were the super-dedicated boyfriend who didn’t have the three flaws I already mentioned, it would be SO hot when he got jealous. But really, what right does he have? He abandons Kylie when she needs him most, but then he shows his teeth when Derek, as a *friend*, gives her support.
5) Whenever he does something wrong, he just brings her a flower and says “I love you” and expects that to erase all the jerk stuff he does.

I get that Lucas has to do things for the pack, but if he really loves her *that* much, wouldn’t he be willing to make sacrifices for Kylie? He didn’t *have* to kiss Monique. I can bet my life that he’ll say it was “to make it look convincing.” Hell, he didn’t have to do the entire damn ceremony but he did it “so he can get on the Council.” I don’t like him. I don’t like the choices he makes. I don’t like how selfish he’s being, and I don’t like how Kylie just puts up with all his crap just because he kisses well.

Part 2 of my awesome rant: Why is Derek so awesome? In short, he does everything that Lucas doesn’t, and he doesn’t do everything Lucas does. I shall explain:

1) He doesn’t push her into kissing or stripping or sex-ing or any of the other obscene things that Lucas does.
2) He always knows how she feels. And yes, I know, that’s his special power. But come on. Kylie is an open book. It wouldn’t be hard for Lucas to tell how she feels if he would just pay attention.
3) He is ALWAYS there for her when she needs a shoulder to cry on. And if she feels uncomfortable about that shoulder being his, he assures her that he’s not going to put the moves on her. AND HE STICKS TO HIS WORD.
4) Kylie can be herself around him. He makes her feel at ease, and the only reason she feels the slightest bit of angst right now around him is because she isn’t sure if she’s attracted to him. It’s not like he’s being stalked by an ex-girlfriend, getting engaged to another random girl, throwing kisses around like pixie dust, and sacrificing his time with her for “Fae business.” He’s always available. His support is always there, and he always gives her a warm, supportive, and comforting smile. Not a sexy wolfish grin, but a real genuine smile.

I know the appeal that bad boys have. I’m drawn to them as well, and I almost ALWAYS side with them. But my heart is crying for Kylie so much every time Lucas hurts her and she goes back to him. I hope with ALL MY HEART that C.C. Hunter is reading this blog still and that she lets Derek win Kylie over! He deserves Kylie SO much more than Lucas does, and Kylie too deserves Derek. He’s just the nicest guy. Not so nice that it’s creepy or overdone, but just the right blend of nice, sexy, and bad-ass. <3

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DEREK!!!! lucas started getting on my nerves he needs to sit down

Derek , duh. Lol he's perfect, haha.

Pftttt Lucas all the way like seriously smoking hot werewolf beats a faerie any day!! And also because Lucas is one of my fav characters besides Kylie and Holiday. BTW KYLIE AND LUCAS ARE SO PERFECT FOR EACH OTHER!!!!

And lastly, PART 3:

Speaking of Derek, I think it was during her relationship with Lucas that he stepped up and shined the most. Like, where Lucas wouldn’t accept her, Derek continuously did, and even showed her how fascinating she actually was. He always put her before himself, and even though he wanted more with her he was fine with being the best friend he could possibly be for her. He helped her with her ghost issues, when she could hardly tell Lucas about them. He consoled her when no one else could. His love for her was unconditional, and THAT is why I love Derek so much. That’s how love should be.

And honestly, I thought she loved him too. The only thing holding her back from allowing herself to love him was her “commitment” to Lucas. So I had sooooooo much hope for them, especially after all of Lucas’s continuous screw ups and when all of her friends (Miranda, Della, Sarah, and Ellie) and even Holiday’s ghost twin sister told her she should pick Derek. But nope, unfortunately, that’s not how it works *in books*

She still ends up loving Lucas, and I think a lot of it simply stemmed up from her attraction for him (because that’s pretty much what it was in Born at Midnight, right??). And then there’s the loyalty from how he protected her all those years ago from those bullies. But I just don’t think there’s just anything very substantial to really justify her love for him. Because he just doesn’t really seem to understand her and she him; she just falls for it every time he does something sweet for her.

My last complaint is that when Taken at Nightfall comes around, it’s like all of the characters have done a complete 180. Kylie is all of a sudden 100% in love with Lucas and 0% in love with Derek (and I’m pretty sure that’s not how it was in Whispers at Moonrise), Derek is not being the Derek I came to love and is suddenly very pushy with his love for her, Lucas is actually very sweet to Kylie and NOW doesn’t hesitate to drop everything and show his love for her (wayyyy too late in my opinion), and all of her friends are suddenly Team Lucas when they were soo obviously Team Derek before. Even Fredericka is wanting her to forgive Lucas and so as I’m reading this all I can think is WTF IS HAPPENING?! There was no consistency.

All in all, the only thing I have left to conclude with is that Kylie is a big dummy when it comes to her own personal matters with love.

PART 2:


Enough about that though, let’s get on to all the things wrong about her and Lucas’s relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely believe he loves her despite all the stupid things he does, but I just think the reasons she comes to love him back is just–for lack of a better word–dumb.

LIST OF ALL OF THE STUPID THINGS LUCAS DOES WHILE HE’S SUPPOSED TO BE HER “BOYFRIEND”:
1) Continuously hangs out with Fredericka knowing how jealous that makes Kylie, and then when she rightfully addresses him about it, he has the decency to get mad at her for it. And THEN he continues to hang out with her anyway.
2) Ignores her in front of everyone and chooses to be with the pack over her (even though that changes later).
3) Lies. Constantly. And keeps secrets from her and expects her to understand.
4) Asks her to date him, but when she doesn’t get to respond he never mentions it again (making you wonder if he really meant it) until all of a sudden he later claims to be her boyfriend.
5) Doesn’t stand up for her when other people put her down.
6) Doesn’t support her decisions and openly tells her how he doesn’t like her ghost-whispering abilities, which is a pretty huge part of who Kylie is.
7) Tells her he’d “accept her no matter what,” but then makes it obvious he really wants her to be a were…
8) And the biggest one (which goes with #3), gets engaged to some ho behind Kylie’s back, which she has to find out from Fredericka of all people, who he lied to as well saying he’d told Kylie about it. To top it all off, I completely believe he never had the intention of telling Kylie about it and if she hadn’t found out he’d have gone back to being with her as if none of that ever happened. At least Derek really had intended on telling Kylie about sleeping with Ellie, and was straight up with her when she confronted him about it.

I mean what good is a relationship based off of lies and distrust?

So yeah, I kind of liked Lucas at first, but after all that he did while they were together I just couldn’t stand how she never dumped his ass after the continuous hurt he put her through. Like all of that combined is 1000x worse than anything Derek ever did to her.

So I’m contributing to this conversation like super late but I just want to put in my argument on why Derek should have been the one she chose which I think is pretty valid. And I'm going to break this down into parts. *SPOILER ALERT TO ANYONE WHO HASN’T READ ALL THE BOOKS*

PART 1:

So in the beginning, before Kylie even knew she was supernatural, it was Lucas. Yeeah I mean already if you follow the plotlines for most teen romance novels with love triangles you know–it’s usually the guy who saw her first that ends up with her. But I mean it wouldn’t be interesting if you didn’t introduce another guy, right? So we’re given hope; maybe this one will be different. But it’s cruel to make the readers fall in love with that guy to where we start avidly shipping him and the girl together only to rip away his chances in the worst way possible, and that’s pretty much what happened here.

Ever since the beginning of Derek and Kylie’s friendship, he’d ALWAYS been there for her. And in books I guess the type of guys like that are the ones that only deserve to be friends with the love interest, but in reality? All the people I know who have best friends that are of the opposite sex that treat them like that usually end up getting in long term relationships with them. Then again, this isn’t reality.. Anyway, Derek was the only one who would offer his full support, help her when she needed help, comforted her when she needed comforting. And what was Lucas doing? Being sexy and flirting with Kylie nonstop, and then to top it off, running off with Fredericka (who he’d admitted to sleeping with once) right when she’d thought she really liked him–knowing how that might look to her. So even though he may not have wanted to hurt her feelings, he did anyway. Strike one for Lucas.

And so Awake at Dawn comes, and Kylie seems to be very happy with Derek even though they aren’t officially together. And honestly, in my opinion, their time together was the best, cutest part of the series, romance-wise anyway. There were no complications (other than her wondering about Lucas) and they could simply be together. That’s how it should be, not all of that messed up shit that goes on when she’s Lucas’s girlfriend, and ohhh I’ll get into all the messed up shit that goes on later. Her only insecurities about him were whether he could control her emotions or whether their relationship would be another repeat of what happened with Trey. But he continuously proves he’s nothing like Trey and he would never force her into something she doesn’t want to do–and who doesn’t want a guy like that?? Yet she holds back from becoming his girlfriend because of all of these things that are actually very minuscule, which I think becomes one of the biggest mistakes in the book.

Because how is Derek supposed to have a fair chance with her if they never even had a chance to see what it’s like to REALLY be together? And I think if he had that chance, if the readers had that chance to see what an actual Derek/Kylie relationship would have been like, maybe the outcome at the end would’ve been different. Even if they still didn’t end up together at least we readers (myself especially ;P) would’ve been able to satisfy our curiosity and then say he lost fair and square. But he didn’t.

So when he asks if Kylie would still be with him if Lucas were still there (which is your first sign telling you who she ultimately ends up with) and she pretty much confirms his doubts, instantly warning flags are raised. He tells Kylie not to break his heart, which she promises not to, and then she breaks that promise over and over again.

Not to say he didn’t break hers either, but he was hurting because of her and he’d already broken up with Kylie (for justifiable reasons such as she kept the fact that Lucas had been writing letters to her from him) even though they weren’t even technically together, and he knew it was the wrong thing to do as soon as he’d done it–as proven by Ellie as well. Still, that one mistake is like the last straw that pushes her toward Lucas and the very messed up relationship that they had. What makes me angry is that later in Chosen at Nightfall she calls it cheating; and by my understanding cheating involves being unfaithful to someone you’ve committed yourself to. She wouldn’t allow him to be her boyfriend, and even so he still “broke up” with her before he did what he did. So even if it was wrong, she has no right to say that what he did was cheating when they weren’t even in a relationship.

I think she should pick Lucas. But i like alpha males. lol. So even though Derek is a good catch, Lucas & Kylie's forbidden love gets me.

Okay after reading the 4th book I'm officially Team Derek now. I don't blame Lucas for putting his side first but dude If you really love the girl you can find better ways for you to be together. I just don't like what he did, I know he loves Kylie and so is she but she didn't deserve how Lucas treated her in this book. I think she's too important for that, if they're not committed it's okay I guess but they are so that kinda sucks.

I'm like in love with Derek XD
both the name and the actual character :p

I VOTE FOR DEREK lol
(Even though I like how sexy Lucas is) haha

I'm actually confused about Lucas' decisions in this book.

Didn't we learn in prior books that Lucas' dad was a rogue, and that because of this he's tried to disassociate himself from his parents? He even re-wrote his own history so that it seemed like he spent his whole life with his grandmother. His whole goal behind the deception was to get on the Were Council to "change things" -- including how rogues are viewed/handled.

So what's the deal with needing his father's support to get on the council? It would have made *far* more sense to me if this betrothal was something his grandmother was pushing instead of his father.

This is either a serious plot hole/inconsistency, or I'm totally missing something. Either way, it kinda screwed Lucas for me. I liked him A LOT before this book.

honestly...i have never been more on the fence about which way to lean in a love triangle....i just don't know...

Team Derek! I mean Lucas isn't hateable though his actions make me lean toward Derek more. *shoulder shrug*

Lucas all the way!!!!!

Team Lucas; even though I don't agree/like what he did. He still cares about Kylie and he loves her. I think they'll end up together because Kylie admitted to herself that she loves Lucas too.

Derek understands her way better than Lucas. And come on... He said he loves her... Lucas is too focused on his pack - but I like him too. I want to see what the future holds for this love triangle soon... I'm dying to know... But if I had to pick - I'd fight to get to Lucas, though... Love ain't easy.

ps:Oh, and I cried, cried a lot with the ending...

Kiah
Gonna make the counting a bit easier C.C Hunter moved the date up to April 28!!! Exciting right.... I know exactly how u feel.

Personally I like Lucas better. They have chemistry and I'm a huge sucker for the whole forbidden love gimic. :D Only thing is, I think C.C Hunter is gonna match her up with Derek. He's safer, he's more open with her, and he was her intial first choice.

Can't wait to see what happens in Chosen at Nightfall though - Counting down to 4/30/13!

Team Derek. only because he didnt sneek out of the camp thing and go to marry anouther chick. without telling her about it..okay that came out wrong. but still you get what im getting at. So the way i see it from here is; if he did that to her, he's probs going to hurt her again! were as Derek wouldn't do that to her! he'd just tell her the truth about rather or not he wanted to break up with her. so yes Team Derek all the way

Lucas! I just love him. Even though I don't trust him that much anymore. Derek is really sweet and not really that kind of 'bad guy'...I'm aware how stupid that sounds. Though in real life I would totally pick Lucas...even though he can be a real idiot sometimes. Derek is so much sweeter though...

Derek!!! At first actually i was tem Lucas in the begginging because they shared a past but to get your hart ripped out is all to much to handle and Derek will get her more than anything. But idk authors always take a surprising twist and she might and up with Lucus but i sure hope she ends up with Derek

I honestly don't like either. Lucas hurt her when he chose his pack over her and Derek doesn't seem to understand her. I would go for a super-hot hybrid guy she would meet after going with her grandparents... but that's obviously not going to happen.

Derek Derek Derek all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was torn in the first book but was leaning more to Derek. Since book 2 I've been onTeam Derek all the way. I just think Lucas is an ass.

I vote for Lucas, I still have faith in him despite what happened. Now that Kylie's gone I think it will give him the push he needs to stand up to his pack.

I was Team Lucas but now I'm team Derek

The ending made me want to cry too.
In the beginning I was team Lucas but now I'm team Derek all the way. Lucas is too controlling and judgmental. He doesn't understand Kylie the way Derek does. And Derek has always been there for her when things got tough. With Derek she never has to hold back about her problems with ghosts and her parents cuz he can relate.

I was team Lucas all the way till the betrayl. But it wasn't as harsh as Derek was with Ellie so I am still team Lucas but I a on the borderline. The ending made me wanna cry.