Questioning Society discussion

What do you think about religion, god, evolution, where we came from, why we are here and things like that?

well,
religion: God made us and everything here
Science: Evelution + The Big Bang Theory.

but when you look at the way it says in the bible, and the big bang theory, don't the seem intertwined?
I serious to, read about the earth's creation in the bible, then look at the order in which species appereared on earth.

then keep this in mind:
They say that a life on earth is like a blink of an eye in heaven.

i think the exact same thing
it talks about evolution in the bible!!!

I know!!!

well, i'm human!

lol r u shure?

i'm not so sure...

I don't believe in religion. I believe in a relationship...
What do you 'believe' then Ben?

that god is a scientist that loves his experiments. i believe the bible talks about evolution. i believe in life on other planets. i believe in a multi-vers

Where exactly do you find evolution in the bible? I read of a creator God, but nothing of the theory of evolution.

it's indirect.

Then why believe it? Take things for what they are, not what they 'seem' to be.

it's in our nature to believe something. our minds strive for a reason for everything, weither it be wrong or right.

Reason? I said nothing of reason...

not everything is in black and white

True. I do not believe that the Bible says anything about evolution though. I just want to know where you guys are coming from...

well it says that God created everything in six days and that different things were made on different days, and that a moment in heaven is like a lifetime on eath so. . .

i still don't get where your coming from.
i think when it says a moment in heaven is like a lifetime on earth, it means that your life on earth doesn't really matter compared to your long eternal life in heaven or hell.

its all about perception n how U see it. If thats how u see it thats cool, i guess im more of a scientific christian. the evolution and creationism makes more sence 2 me, sounds more logical. not just bam everything was there, god made everything slowly(evolution)

Why would He do that though? Creation is another display of Gods infinite power, why muddle it with evolution? The evolution theory is very unsound once you get into it. For example... the moon is slowly pulling away from the earth each year. If you caculate the percentage of pull each year and couple it with the theory of millions of years, then the moon would be on top of the earth. Evolution cannot explain that.

Ben wrote: "What do you think about religion, god, evolution, where we came from, why we are here and things like that?"

I'm an athiest, so I don't believe in a god/gods... but at the same time, I have researched and have nothing wrong with reliegion and those who are religious. Religion is only, in my opinion, something to turn to when others realize how much in trouble we are on this world. Though I have no problem with religion, I hate when people will try and get others to pray with them.

i believe in God but im not very religious and i also hate when people try and get others to pray with them

I think religion is what 'good' people use as a crutch. If you truly believe in God it becomes a relationship, where you are completely in love with Him.

hmm

Hmm, what? That is not really an awnser.

thats one way 2 look at it

"Ben wrote: "What do you think about religion, god, evolution, where we came from, why we are here and things like that?" "

I am also atheist, and religion tries to solve a big question (origins) with an even bigger question (who created God). It really answers nothing.

But what does atheism solve? It dosn't help scientifically (no origins), and isn't logical.

Are origins the only scientific inquiry of worth? Of all the scientific discoveries, 95% of the people who did that are atheists. We are almost all of that community.

It throws off the shackles of prejudice, against gays, against women, that religion has perused. Against a woman's right to choose an abortion, if she wants.

We also have expanded the universe. Eve was punished for curiosity. Science can show that nothing is beyond what we can think, if we dig deep enough.

It is logical, for where is the logic that the entire earth was populated by two people, that one of them was tempted by a snake into eating a fruit, and she was also made of the rib of the man. That a man, dead for three days, could rise form the dead, though nothing of the sort has ever happened. How a priest also has the power to make a cracker into the body of that person, so you can eat him every Sunday.

http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/athei...

If you wish to see more.

If you have any questions about atheism, ask me. :)

Science is said to be anti God. Atheism promotes that its way of thinking is scientific. In claiming this, you are just redefining science to exclude God. But in fact, science began to flourish as the biblical view of creation took root and the Reformation spread through Europe.

It is more logical to say that two people populated the entire earth that to say that it evolved, and that the universe and human life happened by accident. If I threw all the necessary parts for a watch into a box and shook it up would it assemble itself into a watch?

And is it not true that without a designer or creator there would be no rules? If you take an Atheistic view of morals you would then agree with such philosophies as those of Hitler. Therefore atheism kills, because without a designer there are no rules… anything goes. Death, destruction and mayhem would ensue without governing rules… who created those rules?

Everyone has their own ideas about how the world came to be. Some people say that god created the world and everything in it. Others say that people evolved. I think that the earth came to be by evolution and or the Big Bang Theory. Like Anne said if u think as of how earth came to be is thru science some1 mite say that u are against God. But really everyone has their own ideas and it is hard to change their mind. People are dead set against what they believe and its not worth it for people to fight about who is rite and who is wrong or who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. Overall people have their own ideas and beliefs and people should get over trying to change that.

"But in fact, science began to flourish as the biblical view of creation took root and the Reformation spread through Europe. "

The Scientific Age came about after the power of the Church to suppressed ideas waned.

"If I threw all the necessary parts for a watch into a box and shook it up would it assemble itself into a watch? "

That is an illogical metaphor for evolution. Say, you were blind and had one piece of a watch in your hand. All the others were in front of you. You would pick them up, one at a time, and see if they fit. Evolution is many gradual changes that accumulate over time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate...

See that for more.

"If you take an Atheistic view of morals you would then agree with such philosophies as those of Hitler. Therefore atheism kills, because without a designer there are no rules… anything goes. Death, destruction and mayhem would ensue without governing rules… who created those rules?"

Your ignorance is appalling. Hitler was Catholic.

Atheists don't need a hell to SCARE them into behaving. We are good, nice people simply because it's the NICE thing to do. If you had no God, then you would just go and kill people? I would hope not. What's stopping you? The fact that it's a mean thing to do. Good for goodness sake, remember.

As for who created rule, atheists have done pretty well. Tommy Jefferson was atheist.

So, by your logical, all Catholics are horrible people because Hitler was one of them?

So, by your logical, all Catholics are horrible people because Hitler was one of them?

Indeed not... That is same thing as saying the Crusades were 'christian'.

Scare you into believing? Ha! I said that with rules the fabric of society would unravel. And isn't there rules in force making the very planet spin?
I mearly state that someone had to make the rules... right? So who do you think made the rules way back when?

Say, you were blind and had one piece of a watch in your hand. All the others were in front of you. You would pick them up, one at a time, and see if they fit. Evolution is many gradual changes that accumulate over time.

So you confess to a design in the universe? Because you can't make something out of nothing... so where did you get those parts to assemble the watch (Or life if you will...)?

The Crusades were Catholic. Pope Urban II called for the Crusades, crusade means 'marked with a Cross' and the whole point was to take back the Holy Land from 'infidels.'

"Ha! I said that with rules the fabric of society would unravel. And isn't there rules in force making the very planet spin? "

People think society needs religion, but it really needs police. And yes, there are. A combination of gravity from the core ad the sun.

"So you confess to a design in the universe? Because you can't make something out of nothing... so where did you get those parts to assemble the watch (Or life if you will...)?"

It's a more accurate version of your analogy. And by watchmaker, I mean Nature and natural laws. Natural laws is the 'watchmaker.' Have you covered evolution in biology yet?

You can make matter out of energy, on the law of the conservation of matter/energy.
Possibly, proteins, that existed on Earth were struck with a force of energy, with catalyzed them into reacting. For more on this, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

WHAT? I am a catholic. Are you saying I am like Hitler?

No. That is what was implied about me. I am glad you feel insulted, because I felt the same way when it was implied that Hitler and atheism are linked.

The fact is, Hitler was Catholic. Does that make all Catholics bad? No. Stalin was atheist. Does that make all atheists bad? NO.

No Milana, I am not saying that you or anyone else is like Hitler. Hiler misrepresented the Catholic faith, just as the crusaders misrepersented the Christian faith. If, say Hitler or the crusaders, were indeed christian they were being inconsistant with their own standard of morality (e.g. do not murder, love your enemies etc.)

And yes Lauren, I covered Biology when I was in highschool. I think the public education system is very biased, so I have taken it upon myself to research these issues myself; I have found many flaws in theory's they teach.

You can make matter out of energy, on the law of the conservation of matter/energy.
Possibly, proteins, that existed on Earth were struck with a force of energy, with catalyzed them into reacting.

Okay, where did it come from? Where did the "proteins" come from?

"just as the crusaders misrepersented the Christian faith."

Pope Urban II started them. He is the Catholic faith. HOW is that misrepresentation?

"I have found many flaws in theory's they teach. "

So, you found a flaw in the theory of gravity? It's not taught in school unless the facts back it up. That's why Intelligent Design isn't allowed.

"Okay, where did it come from? Where did the "proteins" come from?"

I'll answer that question. EVEN THOUGH the origin of life is not important to the process of evolution.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/k...

The abstract states that
"Evidence from laboratory and extraterrestrial chemistry is presented consistent with the hypothesis that the original heteropolypeptides on Earth were synthesized spontaneously from hydrogen cyanide and water without the intervening formation of agr-amino acids."

Meaning, proteins came from the atmosphere. Spontaneously.

Lauren, I did not say that all of the teaching of the public school system are flawed. You say Intelligent Design isn't alowed because there are no facts to back it up. Thats where the system breaks down.
You and I would both agree on the principals of operational science (experiments and achievements for the present). Where we break down is in historical science (science that deals with the past). We cannot do experiments directly on the past; the experiments we can do are often limited, so the inferences require guesswork. The further back we go the more guesswork, and the more room for non-scientific factors to influence the conclusions -- factors such as the religious belief or un-belief of the scientist.

I did not imply you said all teaching are flawed.

Which experiments of the past are you referring to specifically?

Not in the past but of the past...

I said, of the past.

But, what specifically?

Oh, let's say for example determining fossilazation.

Fossils are accurate. The process can be re-created.

Wait, why are we talking about fossils?

We got onto evolution somehow.

oh I see.

i think in away she's just saying, look at their past. Cause you've got to admit, it isn't very promising.

What's not promising?