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Oops. I forgot I did that. For those who do not want to friend me to find my blog, here is a direct link:
http://jlberger2.blogspot.com/
http://jlberger2.blogspot.com/
Awesome aesthetics on your blog and nice content too, good start, John. Build on that, I will be a devout follower.
I thought of having my own blog for movies, astronomy, video games, health, sport and fitness but then I realise, if I did, I wont be spending much time on the here, and a couple of other forums (cinema, games, and astronomy). I love the interaction with you guys. With blogging, I feel I am just on a stage, lecturing, probably to myself, except my lectures would be rambling nonsense! So I decided not to bother and enjoy the three forums.
But the blog will serve you well, John and a following would come in very handy in future when you release your Cody book too!
Dont neglect us though! ;) Your blog about the Bootstrap was a good one, I didnt know about that term either but of course we know the mechanisms well. When you reach season 6 of LOST, there is a great example of Bootstrap time travel. You'll love it.
However, I hate it! Its fun, yes. But its the worst piece of calculated nonsense you can imagine. When an an object literally has no origin, its just NONSENSE, lol. I hate the logic of it. its worse than a loop becuase not only is a reaction causing an action (that alone is nonsense) but the object is actually aging with every loop.
As a time travel fan, I shouldnt be hating it but its because I am a time travel fan that I feel a passion to despise it :)
I thought of having my own blog for movies, astronomy, video games, health, sport and fitness but then I realise, if I did, I wont be spending much time on the here, and a couple of other forums (cinema, games, and astronomy). I love the interaction with you guys. With blogging, I feel I am just on a stage, lecturing, probably to myself, except my lectures would be rambling nonsense! So I decided not to bother and enjoy the three forums.
But the blog will serve you well, John and a following would come in very handy in future when you release your Cody book too!
Dont neglect us though! ;) Your blog about the Bootstrap was a good one, I didnt know about that term either but of course we know the mechanisms well. When you reach season 6 of LOST, there is a great example of Bootstrap time travel. You'll love it.
However, I hate it! Its fun, yes. But its the worst piece of calculated nonsense you can imagine. When an an object literally has no origin, its just NONSENSE, lol. I hate the logic of it. its worse than a loop becuase not only is a reaction causing an action (that alone is nonsense) but the object is actually aging with every loop.
As a time travel fan, I shouldnt be hating it but its because I am a time travel fan that I feel a passion to despise it :)
I have finished the first two seasons of Lost, so it will be a while before I get to season 6. But I'm looking forward to it.
I hear what you're saying about breaking the "bootstrap" rule in time travel, and I totally agree with you. The same could be said about breaking the grandfather paradox, although I think that was done well in The Kronos Interference.
Even more infuriating for me is when someone violates my newly discovered Novikov principle. I've always argued that if someone supposedly changes the past, that they have not really changed anything but rather just carried out something that had already happened that they maybe weren't aware of. If you remember way back to when we read The Chronoliths they thought they were going to stop the Kuin invasion but in doing it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is also an example of a bootstrap paradox, which is a whole other debate.
I suppose if you took the Novikov principle to the extreme, you would have to say that changing history was impossible because any change would have already happened in our past and the result of that change would already be a part of our present. The only way to resolve this in my mind is the introduction of a possible alternate universe/timeline.
But I digress.
I hear what you're saying about breaking the "bootstrap" rule in time travel, and I totally agree with you. The same could be said about breaking the grandfather paradox, although I think that was done well in The Kronos Interference.
Even more infuriating for me is when someone violates my newly discovered Novikov principle. I've always argued that if someone supposedly changes the past, that they have not really changed anything but rather just carried out something that had already happened that they maybe weren't aware of. If you remember way back to when we read The Chronoliths they thought they were going to stop the Kuin invasion but in doing it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is also an example of a bootstrap paradox, which is a whole other debate.
I suppose if you took the Novikov principle to the extreme, you would have to say that changing history was impossible because any change would have already happened in our past and the result of that change would already be a part of our present. The only way to resolve this in my mind is the introduction of a possible alternate universe/timeline.
But I digress.

Hey John, cool blog, starting with graphics, layout, and title! But I can see that I'll be reading carefully. Some of the paradox issues you mention remind me of Tej's comment some time ago about optical illusion waterfalls -- entertaining but nonsensical and impossible. Or not? Of course the trick is to consider carefully and form no rash conclusions. Hmmmmm.

That time travel fund idea is genius! I'm surprised someone didn't come up with the idea years ago. I am considering joining as well.

But I enjoy what I have read so far. Well done. ;)
Thanks. It may be because I used the old membership widget instead of the new Google+ one. Guess I will need to change that.


I *love* the blog, Holly! I'm going to recommend it to some of the YA readers I've encountered who are SF fangirls...and who would agree that the genre just doesn't get enough love from our gender.

Hmm...I've been working on Book Two of CHRONOS, Pendulum Past, this week and Kate spotted a green VW Bus during her recent jump back to Dallas, 1963. It was in this big dirt parking lot right behind the pergola atop a grassy knoll, about a block away from the Texas Schoolbook Depository. She didn't think anything of it at the time, since she was looking for a powder-blue Ford Fairlane. Maybe she should have peeked in the windows as she passed by...
Paul wrote: "Great Scott, John! Those historical photos you discovered are amazing, and perhaps just the tip of the TT iceberg. Nice work. And great gas mileage."
If you haven't read the Time Hunters series, then those pictures probably don't make a lot of sense. The green campervan is called Bertha, and it is Uncle Percy's favorite time travel vehicle (one of five in his collection). I know that campervan will show up in other historical photos, I just haven't found them yet.
Rysa, I tried to find a good picture of the grassy knoll to see if the campervan would be there, but I just haven't found a very good one yet. Stay tuned.
If you haven't read the Time Hunters series, then those pictures probably don't make a lot of sense. The green campervan is called Bertha, and it is Uncle Percy's favorite time travel vehicle (one of five in his collection). I know that campervan will show up in other historical photos, I just haven't found them yet.
Rysa, I tried to find a good picture of the grassy knoll to see if the campervan would be there, but I just haven't found a very good one yet. Stay tuned.

Just ignore the red lines. A conspiracy theorist who lacked the advantage of time-travel marked all over this picture.


And the chemical composition of that smoke makes eyewitness testimony at bit unreliable...

We may have to send someone.
Rysa wrote: "It's there, John. Check out this aerial view. I've circled the van in green -- Kate's paternal grandparents are in the Ford Fairlane that's circled in blue.
Just ignore the red lines. A con..."
Okay, that is just freaky. Any chance you could send me that photo so I can put it on my blog? I would be happy to give you credit and perhaps even mention the upcoming book.
Just ignore the red lines. A con..."
Okay, that is just freaky. Any chance you could send me that photo so I can put it on my blog? I would be happy to give you credit and perhaps even mention the upcoming book.

The van's not in *that* shot, however -- clearly they'd already packed up and moved on to this van convention of some sort. (Third row up, near the center.)
Rysa haz mad Photoshop skillz.
Pretty sure the guy over at JFKMurderSolved doesn't have any original rights to that photo -- and I cheerfully grant rights to my "remixed" version thereof with or without attribution. :)

I have a post up yesterday about coaxing your Muse to produce.
I used to blog back when LiveJournal was active. In fact, all the real-life friends I have that are not co-workers are a direct result of my blogging days on LJ (even my husband). I miss that sort of day-to-day connection with everyone that doesn't exist now that everyone's migrated to FaceBook. I do wish GoodReads was a little more blog-friendly. There's the "writings" section of GoodReads, but it gets buried on the site. And with Google eliminating their RSS Reader in July, I don't know how I'm going to keep up with interesting blogs that are out there ... like yours, John.
Fun blog, John. I love all your time travel van sightings. :P
Fun blog, John. I love all your time travel van sightings. :P

I thought of having my own blog for movies, astronomy, video games, health, spo..."
Hey, John!
While you are digressing, how about spilling how you add "time travel information guru" to your comments?
So far, all I have been able to add to my comments is "flag as spam."
Cheers!
@hg47
I think that those titles are only available for moderators of the group. That title was chosen for me by one of the other mods (probably Amy).

Of course I've pimped my website Andy's Anachronisms http://www.timetravelreviews.com here before. I was "blogging" back in 1999 before I even knew what that was. It's funny because in the 14 years since I started hand coding my website the technology to automatically blog has so outstripped me, I am in the process of converting my website to a wordpress blog just to make it easier to maintain.
I also blog on non-timetravel related things over at my site http://sooguy.com
Andy some of have been visiting your website since...well I have anyway, was hoping you will update it one day!
I know exactly what you mean with auto software outstripping us dinosaur coders. Its a strange feeling. Wordpress is the definitive blogging software and even a great website builder to boot
I know exactly what you mean with auto software outstripping us dinosaur coders. Its a strange feeling. Wordpress is the definitive blogging software and even a great website builder to boot
John, I passed one of those camper vans on the street today. My first thought was to wonder what in the world is happening in the history of Tulsa, Oklahoma, today to warrant a visit from the camper van.
Andy wrote: "John, great blog. I will have to add it to my list to read.
I have consulted Andy's Anachronisms many times, and I love it. Hope you can get it converted because I would hate to lose the awesome resource you have created for us time travel fans.
Will have to check out your other non-TT blog when I get a chance.
I have consulted Andy's Anachronisms many times, and I love it. Hope you can get it converted because I would hate to lose the awesome resource you have created for us time travel fans.
Will have to check out your other non-TT blog when I get a chance.
Amy wrote: "John, I passed one of those camper vans on the street today. My first thought was to wonder what in the world is happening in the history of Tulsa, Oklahoma, today to warrant a visit from the campe..."
You only need worry if it is sour-apple green, the color of "Bertha." Any other color is just a normal campervan.
You only need worry if it is sour-apple green, the color of "Bertha." Any other color is just a normal campervan.

... Not only did the camper van look like Bertha, but the driver looked a bit like a younger Carl Ashmore.
My friend is renting a campervan for our trip to Wales this week, I have no idea what it looks but I will be giddy if it looks anything like Bertha! I'll take picture if it does and post it up :)

Thanks, John, for the info. I'll try to keep a low-profile. All I need is for each of my comments to lead off with
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I know exactly what you mean with auto software outstripping us dinosaur coders. It..."
Hey, Andy & Tej!
Us dinosaurs aren't dead yet. Yes, Google Volcanic eruptions have marginalized us, and that asteroid impact does look bad, the way it turned everything BLACK, but my tiny hands and HUGE JAWS say Never Give Up! CHOMP! My http://a47.info/ is such a train wreck that I had to devote a mirror site just to enable comments. But don't be pessimists, guys! Those destructive pressure waves from what Fox news is calling the Dino Killer asteroid really cleared out my sinuses! Global wildfires? Nonsense! My Brontosaurus beef is now cooked medium-well just the way I like it. Tsunamis? Well, my significant other has often complained that I could use a bath. Bonus! @hg47

What a great resource of TT blogginess...
Not only do I blog(on lots of subjects), but my latest post is actually all about Temporal Paradoxes... Including The Grandfather, Bootstrap (or Ontological / Predestination), Self-visitation, Super-luminary, Causality, Presentist and Fermi Paradoxes.
http://www.cjmoseley.com/science/937/...
C.J. wrote: "Hi All,
What a great resource of TT blogginess...
Not only do I blog(on lots of subjects), but my latest post is actually all about Temporal Paradoxes... Including The Grandfather, Bootstrap (or O..."
Excellent article on Paradoxes, multiverses, bootstrap etc.
What a great resource of TT blogginess...
Not only do I blog(on lots of subjects), but my latest post is actually all about Temporal Paradoxes... Including The Grandfather, Bootstrap (or O..."
Excellent article on Paradoxes, multiverses, bootstrap etc.
I just blogged an awesome interview with Carl Ashmore, author of the "The Hunters" series. Here is a link if anyone is interested in learning more about the inspiration behind this awesome YA series.
http://jlberger2.blogspot.com/
http://jlberger2.blogspot.com/

Here is the link:
http://justebookreviews.blogspot.com/
M.D. wrote: "I started a blog for reviews of time travel and murderless mysteries ebooks (my two favorite genres). So far all I have are time travel reviews.
Here is the link:
http://justebookreviews.blogspot...."
M.D. After all that time travel reading, I'd better see you make book club reading suggestions for us in the future!
Murderless mysteries? See ... that's why I stopped reading mysteries. I hate that they all have to start with a murder. That kind of hurts my soul a little bit (or something like that). I might become a mystery lover again if they weren't all about murder.
Here is the link:
http://justebookreviews.blogspot...."
M.D. After all that time travel reading, I'd better see you make book club reading suggestions for us in the future!
Murderless mysteries? See ... that's why I stopped reading mysteries. I hate that they all have to start with a murder. That kind of hurts my soul a little bit (or something like that). I might become a mystery lover again if they weren't all about murder.

Here is the link:
http://justebookrevi..."
I'll be happy to make recommendations as I weed out those that touch on time travel but really focus on some other plot aspect.

Here is the link:
http://justebookrevi..."
Where do I make book club reading suggestions? I reviewed the list of discussions and nothing looked like a match.
M.D. wrote: "Amy wrote: "M.D. wrote: "I started a blog for reviews of time travel and murderless mysteries ebooks (my two favorite genres). So far all I have are time travel reviews.
Here is the link:
http://j..."
A new suggestion thread is usually up a month before we need a new book. Since we're set with reading material through the end of August, I'll create a new suggestion thread at the beginning of August. Hold on to your recommendation and I'll post a link in the next newsletter.
Here is the link:
http://j..."
A new suggestion thread is usually up a month before we need a new book. Since we're set with reading material through the end of August, I'll create a new suggestion thread at the beginning of August. Hold on to your recommendation and I'll post a link in the next newsletter.
Paul wrote: "I've been having a dabble with writing a time travel blog too, here's the link if you're interested!
http://www.time2timetravel.com"
Did I miss the drabble?
http://www.time2timetravel.com"
Did I miss the drabble?
Books mentioned in this topic
The Kronos Interference (other topics)The Chronoliths (other topics)