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Makaylia wrote: "About how religious people refuse to accept science?"

I agree with that fully.

Kaylee wrote: "I don't think so. I think that naturally they would object to evolution, because that goes against their religious beliefs. If devoted Christians were to believe people evolved from monkeys, they c..."

Agreed

I agree with Kaylee.

I am personally a religious person (my religion doesn't matter) and me and my friends have had many discussions on topics similar. Science and Religion are opposing forces, but can be applied to different aspects of our life.

Science is logic and reason, and can explain the how, but not the why. You can look at a plant and say: wow, look at that photosynthesis! Or you can say: look how amazing it is that that plant is growing! It's magical!!

There is a time and place for all things in our lives, and I believe that even religious people need the balance science creates. If you are too much towards either side, the other side will oppose all beliefs, but then you are an extremist. And, to be honest, no one likes extremists.

I could keep going, but I think you get the gist.

Okay, keep on going. I'm preparing a paper about "Science And Religion -Two force we need to add ".Hope views expressed here will help.

I don't think that religious people don't accept science for the most part. It's just that there are some really far fetched ideas that are thrown out by scientists and it's hard to accept them without solid proof.

Now looking at evolution: I am religious myself and I just don't see how some people believe in evolution (no offense to people who do) If you look at every living thing in the world from plants to animals, you see just how complex they really are. They way a cell works, the way an animal just has instincts in life. In my opinion, there has to be some sort of creator behind those things. I don't think that so many amazing creatures and their traits could just "evolve" like that.

I don't think evolution happened because due to proof and in depth study, it would be impossible because of the complexity of certain species. So evolution, no, I do not "believe" in it. Nor the big bang. Personally, I find it difficult (no offense to anyone!) to believe in evolution and say we came from apes or fish.

Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious people' refuse to accept science. It's just that their religion is making it hard..."

I love The Script!

Sorry, moving on.

I don't know what religion I am or really have a theory on how the world was created, but it isn't science that has lead me to be unreligious. it's simply wondering things such as, "Why would God create a world with so much suffering and inequality?"

Maybe religious people refuse to accept science, but I think it's more that they were taught what to believe from a young age (most of the time) and it's too late to consider factors such as science for them.

When I study science it makes me draw even closer to God and my religion.

Liane wrote: "That's great Ruth! It's nice that your science and faith (pun intended) doesn't cause you any internal conflicts. :) I have a friend that feels that way as well, even wrote an essay about it, would you mind me asking how does studying science make you feel closer to God?"

When I study things like biology, etc. and read about all the in-depth stuff like all the tiny organisms everywhere it makes me realize how awesome God is, and that it all had to be created by somebody, and it couldn't have just appeared with a big explosion.
(No offense to anyone who doesn't have the same religion as me)

I used to think of becoming Jewish because I used to believe in God and not really Jesus (I think he's a real person, but not that he's God's son), but now I wonder if people believe in God simply to attach themselves to something. I actually said this in my English class the other day during a speech and received very different reactions.

A little off topic--in almost all images, Jesus is a white, blue-eyed, very muscular man. But wasn't he from the Middle-East or something? So shouldn't he be dark-skinned?

H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "I used to think of becoming Jewish because I used to believe in God and not really Jesus (I think he's a real person, but not that he's God's son), but now I wonder if people believe in..."

Adam and Eve populated the earth with their sons and daughters, then the Great Flood came, wiping out most of humanity except for Noah and his family along with twp of every species of animals he brought on the ark and his sons and wives and daughters repopulated the earth, so technically, I guessy ou could say everyone would be related to Noah and since Noah's great great great great+ granparents were adam and eve...

H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious people' refuse to accept science. It's just that their ..."

So...children aren't fit to decide what to believe in? That's kind of rude to say. Maybe young kids don't grasp the full idea but a person shouldnt need to wait until their older to believe in something. People outgrow santa and the tooth fairy. Kids who believe in God truly, won't "outgrow" it.

Kaylee wrote: "H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious people' refuse to accept science. It's just..."

Or people can actually know that their loved ones aren't gone forever...It isn't about just believing. I know bad people are in this world and I know people get punished. I believe in God not simply because "I was raised to." I feel Him. If it wasn't for Him, I would probably be dead.

Lo♪ wrote: "I used to think of becoming Jewish because I used to believe in God and not really Jesus (I think he's a real person, but not that he's God's son), but now I wonder if people believe in God simply ..."

Yes, Jesus was from the Middle East. Considering that the Roman Catholic church (should "church" be capitalized?) started in Europe, I'm guessing that the white, blue-eyed image of Jesus probably started there. I'm not sure, but it's probable.

Jesus was the son of God. I can't imagine believing in God without Jesus. They are kind of, well I don't want to say the same, but it is hard to explain.

Agreed.

Evolution doesn't make any sense to me. So, I evolved from an ape? Excuse me, but my ancestors were not animals that were only chosen because they had opposable thumbs. Or fish...There is proof that it could not have happened and that the weaker passing theory or whatever, is invalid due to the level of complexity certain species pertain...

I think there is some science that the religious don't believe, but some of it they do.
Like evolution. If humans evolved from monkeys, then how did God create us?

But, how would there be a human God?

That's what family's religion believes.

Ninja: Kassi: Aphrodite wrote: "But, how would there be a human God?"

God isn't human. Wr wete made in a similar image. We are human beings, the Lord is the Creator of US.

Ninja: Kassi: Aphrodite wrote: "But, how would there be a human God?"

God isn't human. Wr wete made in a similar image. We are human beings, the Lord is the Creator of US.

Ninja: Kassi: Aphrodite wrote: "But, how would there be a human God?"

God isn't human. Wr wete made in a similar image. We are human beings, the Lord is the Creator of US.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious people' refuse to accept sci..."

I think you might've misinterpreted there--she's just saying that many young children believe what they are taught, for example I used to believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy because it's what I learned. It was hard to think that our parents could be lying to us.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious people' refuse to accept science. It's just..."

I'm glad you feel God the way you do; however, essentially yes you were raised to believe in him (I think? Unless you converted to Christianity at a later age?) Most probably your parents were Christians, had you baptized at an extremely young age, and then taught you about the Bible and Christianity and God along the way.

For example, if you were born into a non-religious family, you may not believe in God (like I was.)

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Liane wrote: "You know what this reminds me of? "Science and Faith" by the Script!
OK, serious now, I don't think that 'religious pe..."

I haven't been baptized. And I never grew up with a religion. Religion sets limits. I have been free to worship and be as involved with God as I want to be. My parents did not force it onto me. I believe it because I have witnessed it. I have seen His work. Whether you grow up with it is really how you FIND God, but other than that it is irrelevant.

Kaylee is right, although she didn't mention that Creation and Evolution are both theories. Some would say that there is more evidence for Creation. It's just that a lot of schools aren't allowed to teach the theory of Creation so a lot of people don't get to see both sides of the issue.

@ Lo: My parents did raise me with Christianity, but they did not have me baptized at an early age. They want me to get baptized after I move out, so I don't just get baptized to please them. And a lot of people whoon't grow up with God in their lives come to know Him.

Same with my parents. I was dedicated as a baby, and I have been baptized, but it was by my choice, not my parents'.

(Same--I can't tell who is replying to who anymore)

To the people who said they weren't baptized--I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions there. I was just describing the typical Christian family protocol that I learned about at school and other places. Obviously I don't know much about the religion so I may be incorrect.

@Liane - Yes, I sort of believe in that quote. I think I said this earlier (not sure, too lazy to go search for it above) that sometimes I wonder if God is just an idea people attach themselves to because their week. The way some people pray to God for hope or food or freedom, etc, is really just another way for hope in my opinion. People acknowledge God for the "good" that he does when they receive what they prayed for, but they never do anything about the bad things that happen.

I'm not exactly Atheist because I believe there is something out there, not necessarily the God that has been written in the bible, but something.

...Not. A. Religion. Does no one get that? Obviously not.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. What is not a religion exactly?

God. He is used IN religion like with catholics. Most Christians refer to Him in a relationship. No, not that kind of relationship. No, because religion says like you have to do this and this. With God you really don't need to. He's just, "try your best and when you stumble, I'll be there to catch you."

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "God. He is used IN religion like with catholics. Most Christians refer to Him in a relationship. No, not that kind of relationship. No, because religion says like you have to do this and this. With..."

But if you don't believe in him, is he still there to catch you?

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "God. He is used IN religion like with catholics. Most Christians refer to Him in a relationship. No, not that kind of relationship. No, because religion says like you have..."

Yeah, but those who don't just can't identify that it is Him.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "God. He is used IN religion like with catholics. Most Christians refer to Him in a relationship. No, not that kind of relationship. No, because religion says l..."

Why is it you say He is there to catch you when the ones who don't believe in Him end up in hell? Isn't that sort of not catching them in the end?


Liane wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "But if you don't believe in him, is he still there to catch you?"

WOW. That is one hardcore question. I'd like to think so, unconditional love is unconditional, after all. If you'll fo..."

Ha ha thank you.

I think it would just be easier to accept God because that also opens the doorway to personal things you can share with Him. Haha, like I've had it where I'm like, "God, I'm super confused on this one point so I don't reallt know...*pause*

*click as the pieces fit together*

"Ohhhhhhhhhh.....I got it now, God! Thank you! That makes so much sense."

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I think it would just be easier to accept God because that also opens the doorway to personal things you can share with Him. Haha, like I've had it where I'm like, "God, I'm super confused on this ..."

Is that really God though, or is that just your brain being slow? (Don't take that as an insult please! It sounds bad when I type it like that but I don't mean it to be.) I guess I won't ever really know. I used to pray every night (independent praying, since I never really was Christian even when I believed in him) never got much of a response really. My life when I believe in your God compared to the life I have now where I majorly doubt your idea of God is pretty much the same.


Liane wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "God. He is used IN religion like with catholics. Most Christians refer to Him in a relationship. No, not that kind of rel..."

Thank you, that's a good answer! I'm glad you're not trying to force your religion on me as well. :)

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I think it would just be easier to accept God because that also opens the doorway to personal things you can share with Him. Haha, like I've had it where I'm like, "God, I..."

No, it is called a revelation. It isn't just like realizing you forgot something. This is a total mind blow of information as if it has just been injected into your brain. I could give you an example as of how He has answered my prayers and you can tell me if you think it is just coincidence.

Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I think it would just be easier to accept God because that also opens the doorway to personal things you can share with Him. Haha, like I've had it where I'm l..."

But haven't there ever been times when he hasn't answered your prayers?

Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "I think it would just be easier to accept God because that also opens the doorway to personal things you can share with Him. Haha, li..."

God's answers are never no.

He generally goes with:

Yes.
Not yet.
I have something better in mind.

But in one way or another, my prayers are answered a lot.

Kaylee wrote: "I read something in a book once, about the existence of Hell. One of the characters was saying that he didn't believe Hell actually existed, and believed that it was only a threat to make people ob..."

You don't have to go to church to worship God. I haven't been to church in awhile and yet, I still pray a lot and everything. I can't imagine believing in heaven and not in hell.
I believe that there was God BEFORE hell, but that now...there is a book where a woman was taken to both hell and heaven. Also, a child who went to heaven and came back and wrote a book about it with the help of his parents. There are many books about it; a lady who is taken many times to heaven, though she hasn't died.

H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "(Same--I can't tell who is replying to who anymore)

To the people who said they weren't baptized--I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions there. I was just describing the typical Christia..."

I think it's where you dump your head underwater, which signifies the purification of your soul?

Lo♪ wrote: "H99 wrote: "Lo♪ wrote: "(Same--I can't tell who is replying to who anymore)

To the people who said they weren't baptized--I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions there. I was just describing the typi..."

No. It is usually a public display of your belief in Christ, as He has washed away your sins. And I am christian but have yet to be baptized.

Liane wrote: "In my school, it's downright illegal to try and teach your religion onto the students; even so much as wearing a sign of your religion during class hours is good enough to get you fired.

Yes i agr..."

In sixth grade, our world studies teacher was required to teach us about the main religions of our country, while acknowledging the less popular religions. They weren't forcing anything on us, just teaching us.

Not all science is the big bang theory. Science is a great part of religion, i think

Kaylee wrote: I don't think so. I think that naturally they would object to evolution, because that goes against their religious beliefs. If devoted Christians were to believe people evolved from monkeys, they couldn't believe...


First of all, we didn't come from monkeys, we share the same DNA which means we had the same ancester. Second of all, there are ways to work elovtion and regilion together (at least Catholic) and make it work.

H99 wrote: "Kaylee wrote: "✞♪ Katelyn ♪✞ wrote: "Kaylee wrote: I don't think so. I think that naturally they would object to evolution, because that goes against their religious beliefs. If devoted Christians ..."

(Sorry for not answering your question--I have one of my own that relates to yours--)

I heard that Eve was, in fact, not the supposed first woman. Adam had another wife before her, but she was a women's rights supporter, so Adam got rid of her and people ignored her. Is that true?

No, Lo, that is not true. Adam and Eve. God made Adam first and took out one of his ribs while he was sleeping and made it into Eve.

Wait, Eve's a rib?!

Sorry.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/r...

Her name is Lilith apparently.