Mortal Instruments & Infernal Devices Lovers! discussion

Okay so I was thinking after reading CoLS and the scene where Sebastian tries to rape Clary...what happens next? I mean, so far, Jace doesn't know that Sebastian tried to do that and Clary didn't tell him (on purpose I think) so I'm really wondering what his reaction will be...any thoughts?

oooooh and how's Clary gonna act around Sebastian? Will she forgive her brother in the end? Or will she keep remembering what he tried to do to her? Omg omg omg omg I CANNOT WAIT!!!!!!

I don't think anyone could ever forgive Sebastian unless they somehow like suck the demon blood out of him so he's normal

Sebastian does not act like a human because he has demon blood so he don't believe in right and wrong!I think Clary won't forgive him.He tried to rape her and if Jace find it out he will kill Sebastian!

Well, the last conversation Clary and Jace had about Sebastian they were going back and forth about who was going to get to kill him, so I think saving him is the last thing on their minds. However, if there is a chance to save him from his demon blood I think they'll try.
And I don't think Clary will act any differently or tell Jace about what went on between her and her brother. I think she's just simply out for revenge for EVERYTHING Sebastian has put them through.

Do you think Sebastian would have been different of Jocelyn took him with her?

I want Simon to kill sebastian

That'd be awesome

Because Sebatian is part demon, he has no emotions. He saw that clary loved Jace and wanted that too. So he tried to force her to love him( which completely backfired) I really wish Clary would tell Jace, so Jace could kick his butt. And Simon too!!

Ok, could someone please post a section of the part we are talking about in particular please?

Miranda wrote: "Ok, could someone please post a section of the part we are talking about in particular please?"

It's chapter 19 in my copy, if that's any help? It's long otherwise I would post it.
I had to go reread it. I didn't get it the first time I read it! >.<

Areti wrote: "Sebastian does not act like a human because he has demon blood so he don't believe in right and wrong!I think Clary won't forgive him.He tried to rape her and if Jace find it out he will kill Sebas..."

Omg Damn straight i have been waiting forever for someone to say that

I thought that if Clary tells Jace that Sebastian tried to rape her... OH MY GOD Jace is gonna freakin sent heaven and hell on to him

I REALLY hope Jace kills Sebastian.

Erika wrote: "I thought that if Clary tells Jace that Sebastian tried to rape her... OH MY GOD Jace is gonna freakin sent heaven and hell on to him"

So right!

Zoe wrote: "Because Sebatian is part demon, he has no emotions. He saw that clary loved Jace and wanted that too. So he tried to force her to love him( which completely backfired) I really wish Clary would te..."

I really wanna see Jace beat the crap out of Sebastian for trying to do that...but I kinda wanna see Clary take revenge on her brother too...and I think it would be nice if Clary showed a bit of fear before confronting him because...i mean...come one anyone would have nightmares if their brother wasn't only half-demon but a perverse who wants to control her.

I don't think it would have mattered if Clary told jace. Everybody already wants to kill sebastian....

Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "I don't think it would have mattered if Clary told jace. Everybody already wants to kill sebastian...."

lolz true that

That is true:)

Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "I don't think it would have mattered if Clary told jace. Everybody already wants to kill sebastian...."

Hmmmmmmmm... I'm thinking the Seelie Queen might like him. Or even Maureen. ;D LOLOLOLOLOLOL

But me, I'd love push him into an active volcano.

Areti wrote: "Sebastian does not act like a human because he has demon blood so he don't believe in right and wrong!I think Clary won't forgive him.He tried to rape her and if Jace find it out he will kill Sebas..."
I honestly dont think Clary will have to tell him; next time Sabastion sees him help probably gloat about it like he did when he told him he'd kissed her.

Darlin' wrote: "Areti wrote: "Sebastian does not act like a human because he has demon blood so he don't believe in right and wrong!I think Clary won't forgive him.He tried to rape her and if Jace find it out he w..."

Gah. That was just so gross. Sebastian asking her if Jace had satisfied her cause he would have. Urgh!

I know. That whole scene was just seriously wrong and disturbing. I mean, what was that whole bit about "egyptians used to marry their siblings?"! I want to barf just thinking about it.

I really hope this somehow slips from Clary in CoHF because I am dying to see his reaction.

Since 6 people die in the end....... I hope he is one of the 6 that dies.

I hope he lives and becomes less evil, but he has to be a little evil otherwise he's not Sebastian

Tara wrote: "I hope he lives and becomes less evil, but he has to be a little evil otherwise he's not Sebastian"

i just want him dead.

I have a weird crush on Sebastian. Basically. I have a problem

I'm kinda there with you, I have no idea why... lol don't judge

Jace will probs use his fire power to burn sebasyain evil away

I so hope so I'm a major Sebastian fan. Don't understand the obsession.

Hes a amazing bad guy

Yes he is. He's like Valentine x 10 to the 17th power. awesome and evil. And I hope I'm not the only one to admit this, but he's pretty attractive. Don't lie to yourselves :D

@tara your not the only one I honestly have a little crush on him too

I don't want Sebastian to die I'm honestly tearing up thinking of him dying just imagine me when he does die.

I think clary would act very awkward and uncomfortable around him and I think she will forgive him after she actually finds out his actual feelings and how he has always been alone.

As long as he dies, idgaf who does it or how it happens.

HE MUST DIE

I agree with Jordan

Jordan wrote: "As long as he dies, idgaf who does it or how it happens.

HE MUST DIE"

I thik that sebastian needs to be taken care of but I don't believe I feel as strongly about it as you do. Valentine has abused sebastian since he was young so all sebastan knows is hatred pain and death. Sure the part wehere he tries to rape Clary is horrible but I feel sympath because sebastian wasn't born evil he just has known nothing else so of course we always go back to what we know.

He should die but I feel and for him.. He could have had a great life if valentine hadn't experimented on him

Hi Everyone!
Boy, do I have A LOT going on inside of my head about COHF, I'd love to talk about what I've been thinking today. Before I continue, I will admit, I have NOT read the book, and, I don't know if I will. Honestly, it just sounds too emotionally draining to me. What I have come across has yanked right out my heart.
For right now, I'd love to talk about Sebastian/Jonathan. I could never have imagined that I would develop the feels for him as I have. I am stunned as to the kind of feels that I've been having. Actualy, more than anyone else. I have NEVER had these kinds of feels EVER. I must be not seeing something bc these feels are worse than ANY other book that I have read (or not read)!!

SPOILERS COMING!!

I am completely aware with what he has done. Jonathan was dealt a tough and unfair hand. A tough tough life. I feel SOO badly for him. He deserved so much more. He deserved love. He deserved companionship, a family etc.. He practically had no control over what he was dealt.. It broke my heart.

So, when Clary did what she did with the sword, (AND why did it have the heavenly fire in it??) and his eyes turned their true color of green, and Jonathan was able to reveal himself and repent, that was just SO heartbreaking. What a brave boy/man to repent. This seemed to be a slow and cruel doing, he said that he felt lighter, and was able to feel both physicaly and mentally. Why? He ddn't deserve it. Jace said they were two individual people. And over the Lake?? "Forever.." Are you kidding me? Rip my heart out why don't you! And you have been! All day! And the dream?? Get me another box of tissues will you! Yes, we got to see the real Jonathan, but, for such a short amount of time, what a tease. I am glad that he was able to turn good, he didn't have ANY demon blood in him. but..he deserved so much more. Yes, he did what he did, but, he still deserved more. I had hoped and wished that he would stay around longer, since he was good.

I just saw a drawing of Jonathan, and it was I believe one of the teasers, which stated basically, how can a boy be raised as a devil, be anything but a demon. Ever since reading this, I felt even more badly for him. He's not a demon, despite how he was raised.
For this reason, at least, Jonathan deserves a good TMI ending. What about making him a Silent Brother like Jem was, or something?? That'd help him, I believe.

As I completely acknowledge the things that he has done, I feel that he is still redeemable. Everyone on this earth is redeemable. It might be difficult to do so, but, he is. Forgive. I believe, I think, Clary had some sort of doubt regarding Sebastian's being. On his being good. Yes, Jonathan would feel certainly the guilt, the shame and everything that went along with this, but, he would heal over time. Now, with what happened, I think, through "death", everything is in limbo. Forgive and heal.

I do REALLY hope that Cassie will somehow...somehow..bring Jonathan back in future books..

I found a song that is like the Morgenstern's family theme song. The Family Jewels by Marina and The Diamonds. That's the name of her album also make sure your listening to the song and not the whole album

Oh... I was exited this would be like a Clary and Sebastian shipping topic thing. o-o