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Yep. They did. But I did find a few flaws in the other books as well.
In the fifth book, you know how we discover thestrals? Well if Harry had already seen his mother's death, why couldn't he see them in previous years? AND it can't be that this was the first year they used them, because in the fifth movie Hermione says 'The carriages have always been pulled by invisible horses' (or something along the lines of that).
I found this a HUGE flaw and totally anoying!
In the fifth book, you know how we discover thestrals? Well if Harry had already seen his mother's death, why couldn't he see them in previous years? AND it can't be that this was the first year they used them, because in the fifth movie Hermione says 'The carriages have always been pulled by invisible horses' (or something along the lines of that).
I found this a HUGE flaw and totally anoying!
the reason harry could see them in yr 5 andnot in previous years is amy b bcuz he couldnt remember his moms death clearly, but after seeing cedric die...
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In the fifth book, you know how we discover thestrals? Well if Harry had already seen his mother's death, why couldn't he se..."
Yeah, I found this too, and I wrote some HUGE HUGE long thing about it, but I can't find it. =(
The thestral thing has been discussed a lot. This is from JKR's website:Why could Harry see the Thestrals 'Order of the Phoenix'? Shouldn't he have been able to see them much earlier, because he saw his parents/Quirrell/Cedric die?
I’ve been asked this a lot. Harry didn’t see his parents die. He was in his cot at the time (he was just over a year old) and, as I say in ‘Philosopher’s Stone’, all he saw was a flash of green light. He didn’t see Quirrell’s death, either. Harry had passed out before Quirrell died and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last chapter.
He did, however, witness the murder of Cedric, and it is this that makes him able to see the Thestrals at last. Why couldn’t he see the Thestrals on his trip back to the train station? Well, I didn’t want to start a new mystery, which would not be resolved for a long time, at the very end of the fourth book. I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly.
About the time turner, it's strictly against Wizarding Laws to use it normally. It can change the future completely, no matter how small the event seems. There can be a time where the time turner will be allowed (apart from allowing students to get to their classes), such as in PoA. I don't know how that works. At that time, Dumbledore knows it can be done because it is possible for Harry and Hermione to accomplish their task without being seen by themselves. Not seeing onself is the number one rule. This makes changing the past incredibly difficult. It would be nearly impossible for the trio to somehow save Fred or Tonks, for instance without being seen or somehow getting hurt. (I know the time turners had all smashed by this time, anyway, but this is all hypothetical.) Going back in time, Harry could have been hit by a curse or captured. In other instances, wise wizards, like Dumbledore would say the consequences of changing the past could be dreadful, or useless, of different. Saving Lily and James one time wouldn't permanently keep them safe and trying to go farther and changing their secret keeper would be impossibly complicated. (There are scirence fiction stories that show this as well.) Some laws and restrictions must be set on magic for anything to sound like a believable story. This is not something I would consider a flaw.
Of course, if solving Harry's problems was as simple as turning a time turner, there would be no story.
It was so long because I put in that bit from JKR's site.
Sarah wrote: "Yep. They did. But I did find a few flaws in the other books as well.In the fifth book, you know how we discover thestrals? Well if Harry had already seen his mother's death, why couldn't he se..."
OMGS SARAH THANK YOU!!! I was the only one of my friends to notice that! AND even if he didnt remember his mom's death clearly, shouldnt he have seen them on the way back t the train at the end of the 4th year?
Also, did anyone notice how in the 4th book, when Hermione was trying to catch rita skeeter, and harry suggested that maybe skeeter bugged people, and hermione said that normal muggle electronics dont work in hogwarts, but somehow watches do?
... some of the wizards(pure blood) have watches, too, mayb cuz they r magic watches...?
hm...maybe they bewitched them, I didnt know that was a spell...it would be called...watchith workith! Im not very creative when it comes to spells an i...
lol, neither is my dad, he just makes up something not exactly pleasant...
teehee!!! Im going to try really hard not to put 'lol' as my laugh on goodreads for a week! Oh and that one doesnt count...
Tiffany wrote: "Yeah. Didn't the time turners get smashed during the fifth book?"when?
WTF?!?!?!
And YAY!!! ERICA!!!! :D
And YAY!!! ERICA!!!! :D
Also, I think it's stupid how Harry likes Cho, when he met her at Quiddittch when it's ovibous Ginny likes him!!!
yeah! and how can he kiss her while shes crying!
IK!!!!!
A list of my flaws:
1. 3rd movie: In the beginning, we see Harry under his covers using Lumos Maxima. Later, he blows up his Aunt(using magic outside of school). Isn't using Lumos Maxima using magic outside of school?
I'll be editing once I remember the others....
A list of my flaws:
1. 3rd movie: In the beginning, we see Harry under his covers using Lumos Maxima. Later, he blows up his Aunt(using magic outside of school). Isn't using Lumos Maxima using magic outside of school?
I'll be editing once I remember the others....
thats right! but the thestral thing was bc he never saw his parents die but later he saw cedric die
Rocio....*says with clenched teeth* Harry saw his MOTHER die, remember? WHEN HE WAS A BABY!!!!!!
Well, no one seems to have read JKR's explanation on thestrals (which I posted above). JKR said about Cedric's death:I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly.
This is not a flaw.
As for the movies, there are so many inconsistencies that shouldn't count as flaws, but the Lumos Maxima thing really shouldn't be there.
Oops....well....even then, her explanation still can be argued with: isn't it true that Harry has though about his parents' death constantly, knowing he can't bring them back? But, I'll accept Rowling's explanation and hunt for more flaws.
And for the movies, I think plot flaws count, ones like the Lumos Maxima, seeing as it would've gotten him in a quite different situation.
Harry didn't see his parents die. THis was the first part of JKR's explanation:I’ve been asked this a lot. Harry didn’t see his parents die. He was in his cot at the time (he was just over a year old) and, as I say in ‘Philosopher’s Stone’, all he saw was a flash of green light. He didn’t see Quirrell’s death, either. Harry had passed out before Quirrell died and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last chapter.
I agree with you about the movies, Sarah. Plot flaws, like using underage magic, count. I just meant that changes from the book shouldn't count.
y r we lookin 4 flaws in the 1st place? id rather just b a bubblehead and ejoy da books...
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=D It's fun.
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Also, she makes Scabbers look good until the third book, it's messing everything up. Plus why does Ron use Pig if he has Errol or Hermes???
Hermes is Percy's owl. I don't imagine he would like to let Ron borrow him too much. Errol is the family owl. Ron doesn't always have him at Hogwarts and he's really old. I don't know what you mean about Scabbers. He starts to lose weight when he hears Sirius has escaped because he is so afraid.
I know, but Scabbers was AWESOME!!!
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Okay, so this isn't really a flaw....but it's something I found in the second movie...
When Ron and Harry are running away from Aragog, we see Fang jump in the car along with them. A few minutes later, Fang jumps in again. Unless there are two dogs in the car, I doubt that's supposed to happen.
When Ron and Harry are running away from Aragog, we see Fang jump in the car along with them. A few minutes later, Fang jumps in again. Unless there are two dogs in the car, I doubt that's supposed to happen.
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I can't remember. I'll have to watch it again sometime.
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I don't feel like putting the DVD in and picking the right scene now. I tried watching a poor quality clip on YouTube (in Spanish, which I don't understand), but I'm missing the part where Fang jumps in all togther. I can't believe that they'd actually have him jumping in twice, but if they did, good job noticing it, Sarah.
There are lots of flaws like that in the movies. For example, in the fifth movie Harry takes the subway with Mr. Weasley. As they show him going through the turnstall to get on the train, from one angle we see him pull out his ticket, then the angle changes and he pulls out the same ticket from the same pocket again. Also, if you look carefully in the duel between Harry and Malfoy in the second movie, you can see a camera man briefly among the students.
Pandy, at least I think it was Fang.....It might have just been a shadow when the spiders were attacking. (I'm deathly afraid of spiders, so I try not to pay too much attention to that scene...)
And La La Laura, I THOUGHT that was a camera man!!!! My sister said it wasn't, but HA!!! WAIT TILL I TELL HER!!!!! :D
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Sorry, my sister has a hobby of making me look bad (especially in front of otehr people) so this is a big deal for me. :D
I guess I'm not perceptive, then. I didn't notice any of that! I can find little things in books, but not movies.
You know how in "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (Book 3), Hermione uses the "Time Turner" to go back in time to save Sirius from being caught and Buckbeak from being executed? Well, why didn't they just use the Time Turner to save Sirius' life in Book 5? Or Dumbledore in Book 6? Or Lupin, Tonks, Mad-Eye, Ted, and Fred in Book 7? Or Harry's parents from being killed by Voldemort in the very beginning?? They could have even killed Voldemort himself waaaay sooner had they just used that device!! It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, how could J.K. use it in Book 3 but then forget all about it in all the other books? Are there rules about the Time Turner that I just missed? Or is this an overlooked flaw in the plan? If it IS a flaw, well that's just lame; so many character's lives could have been saved!"
Okay, well I know, you can't change the future and all that, but why couldn't Harry just have saved Fred or Dobby? Those minute characters that wouldn't be life-changing. Correct?