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Can anyone shed some light on whether there is anything nefarious about The Fabian Society?

Officially, they are simply a British socialist organization that formed in the late 1800's and has Fabian outlets worldwide which promote modern socialism. Anyone can join them and they simply stand for the protection of the working class.

However, some conspiracy theorists say there's a dark agenda behind the group and that at the highest echelons the Fabians are basically a secret society like the Freemasons. Not sure if this is a nutty viewpoint or not, or whether there is any truth to it as have never studied up on the Fabians. Some say the Fabians are actually very powerful and that they were instrumental in setting up globalist entities like the United Nations in 1944 and then the European Union (EU).

George Orwell, the Fabian Society and 1984: http://www.conspiracytruths.co.uk/geo...

The Fabian Society – A Wolf In Sheep’s Clothing https://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/...

The truth about the Fabian Society https://fabiansociety.wordpress.com/2...

Beware the Fabian Society http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/t...

Who are the Fabians? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATB2C...

Excerpt from Chapter 2 ("The Fabian Conspiracy") of The Milner-Fabian Conspiracy by Ioan Ratiu: "In light of the above facts, the identity of the objectives of the Fabian Society represented by the Socialist International and parties like Labour, on one hand, and the objectives of international financial interests represented by the UN and Bilderberg, on the other hand, becomes indisputable." (Ratiu, 2012).

Here are a few of the most well-known members of the Fabian Society from the past and present (according to my brief scan of membership lists online):

Tony Blair

Gordon Brown

Robin Cook

Jack Straw

Bob Hawke (former Australian Prime Minister)

Jeremy Corbyn

Julia Gillard (former Australian Prime Minister)

Some say Aldous Huxley and Russell Brand are/were also Fabian members, but I couldn't verify that.

Anyway, looking forward to hearing opinions from other members who know more about the Fabians.

UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn allies himself with Fabian Society’s right-wing agenda https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017...

If they're truly "...a secret society like the Freemasons.", at least the American Freemasons, there's nothing to worry about. Perhaps a nefarious pancake breakfast fundraiser here, or a Shriners' Circus there, but that's about it.

James wrote: "UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn allies himself with Fabian Society’s right-wing agenda https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017..."

Thanks for posting that, as that's news to me. However, the headline of that article seems to be extremely biased and propaganda-like when compared to the actual information in the article.

It even seems to contradict itself a bit with regards to Corbyn, as it states:

"Fabianism long ago shed any of these minimal social goals and was central to the moves against both of Corbyn’s leadership challenges in 2015 and 2016. Fabian members and supporters within the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) led last year’s attempted coup against him. No less than 15 shadow secretaries of state and nine shadow ministers, who resigned from Corbyn’s cabinet in a bid to force him out, were associated with the society."

So this is the very society that tried to oust Corbyn in the first place.

The headline of: "Jeremy Corbyn allies himself with Fabian Society’s right-wing agenda" obviously implies that Corbyn is pro-right wing agenda, but that assumption has been made ONLY because Corbyn attended and spoke at their meeting in the first place. Nothing more. That does not make Corbyn aligned with right-wing agendas. Indeed, I would expect Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party and a well known Socialist, to attend a well known pro-Labour and Socialist group like the Fabian Society - seeing as Corbyn is not a conspiracy theorist who would read up on the supposed dark agendas of the society.

Though that article is a good example of why we're still all fucking destined to doom and gloom even if Labour do by some miracle win - 'cos I bet my bottom dollar that Corbyn wouldn't last a year as P.M. - it even looks like the way may be being paved for Blair to make a comeback.

I don't vote for Labour for many reasons, including ones highlighted in that article for its ties with such organisations as the Fabian Society, but I'm still gonna vote for Corbyn, 'cos he's the only honest and good politician that we have on the main stage in the U.K.

Don't vote for Labour. But do vote for Corbyn.

It's a worry to see Corbyn's name registered in some little known society with Blair and Gordon Brown tho, mate...

Not really sure what the Fabians stand for tho...Many say they are elitists, however...

The History of the Fabian Society



Fabianism and the Empire a Manifesto by the Fabian Society



The Fabian Society: Its Early History



Fabianism and the Empire: A Manifesto by the Fabian Society



Just World: A Fabian Manifesto




The Milner-Fabian Conspiracy: How an international elite is taking over and destroying Europe, America and the World

James wrote: "It's a worry to see Corbyn's name registered in some little known society with Blair and Gordon Brown tho, mate...

Not really sure what the Fabians stand for tho...Many say they are elitists, howe..."


Yeah - but OF COURSE Corbyn, as leader of Labour, is gonna speak at an event that Labour leaders have always spoken at - and even after they tried to perform a coup on him! It's simply the duties of a Labour leader who doesn't know about the conspiratorial side of the society. That seems like common sense to me.

Take someone like Blair speaking at their event however, and I wouldn't defend it as much, 'cos Blair is well known to be on the right-agenda (even if he dressed it up in working class Labour views), whereas Corbyn has only ever been for the people first and foremost.

The headline of that article and its implications is pure propaganda!

To play the Devil's Advocate, just for the sake of argument, none of the Republican Party in the US wanted Trump. They despised him as much as Labour despise Corbyn, if not more so.

Being hated by one's colleagues doesn't mean one isn't an elitist.

Judge the man by his actions. Simple as. ;)

Harry wrote: "Take someone like Blair speaking at their event however, and I wouldn't defend it as much, 'cos Blair is well known to be on the right-agenda (even if he dressed it up in working class Labour views), whereas Corbyn has only ever been for the people first and foremost. ..."

Also, how do you know Corbyn has only ever been for the people first and foremost?

How come he's being allowed to remain at the top of the Labour party?? It could be a case of "somebody up there likes him"...By "up there", I mean wayyy up there in the global elite...

Harry wrote: "Judge the man by his actions. Simple as. ;)"

But we are not seeing all his actions, are we?
We never see who politicians shake hands with in private, do we?
I'm not saying Corbyn isn't the saviour for the British public, but we gotta put everyone under the same spotlight.

I judge Corbyn on his policies, views and actions spanning his long career.

And, boy, have the 'elite members of Labour' tried to kick him out, alongside completely biased media coverage by the B.B.C and others, and yet he's hung on in there, 'cos he's been voted in TWICE by the people. It's a small success story in the bullshit corrupt world of politics. And knowing how 'the game' works, I've no doubt if he did get to become P.M that he'd be gone before the end of office, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't back a good man when we see one.

James wrote: "But we are not seeing all his actions, are we?
We never see who politicians shake hands with in private, do we?."

No, we don't. But I believe in proving guilt, not innocence.

If some dodgy revelation comes to light, I would obviously reverse my position on him. But there's never been any question over him so far, unlike the vast majority of other members of Parliament.

My gut feeling is there's just too much money and power involved in British politics, like the US, for any person truly for the people to be a major party's candidate...still think somebody in the global elite wants this guy to the fore...

Not totally sure, but I fear he could be another Blair and shock if he wins...

Would LOVE to be proven wrong tho.
I do agree he seems to be saying all the right things before the election, but then again so did Obama!

James wrote: "My gut feeling is there's just too much money and power involved in British politics, like the US, for any person truly for the people to be a major party's candidate...still think somebody in the ..."

Well, I obviously disagree with your fear about Corbyn himself, but I completely agree with you when you say:

"My gut feeling is there's just too much money and power involved in British politics, like the US, for any person truly for the people to be a major party's candidate...still think somebody in the global elite wants this guy to the fore..."

- because, as I've said, I don't believe Corbyn will get elected (even though I hope he does, and urge people to vote for him, 'cos it's a small step in the right direction) and if he does, he'll be ousted before a year in term.

The 'global elite' wouldn't dare have a good guy like Corbyn in charge, but it doesn't make much odds to them if he is currently the power-less opposition leader - in fact, he may serve the elite to get May into power, and then he'll be gone.

Much the same as when John Smith (who no one ever remembers) became leader of the Labour Party and was dead before his first year was out... paving the way for a certain Mr. Blair.

Fair points Harry.
It's a bloody fascinating election to see how it plays out.
Corbyn is growing in popularity and the media even seem to be coming on his side to a degree.
I think it's fascinating to wonder about sides and people power and who represents who and also if there is double-dealing going on.

One thing I think we can be sure of is that there is indeed 'double-dealing' going on! In fact, that's probably a very polite term to use for the cut throat big business string pullers at play and how they achieve their objectives.

Jeremy Corbyn, the Fabian Society left wing elitist posing as man of the people http://www.greenteethmm.com/labour-co...

"Labour activists are hailing the Corbyn era as a return to traditional labour politics. But not only is Corbyn a posh boy from a wealthy family, he is a member of the elitist Fabian Society, the left wing intellectual think tank founded in the 19th century, which in the 1930s supported Hitler and fascism."

For a bit of history on early Labour, try this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgi1...

John wrote: "For a bit of history on early Labour, try this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgi1..."

Thanks John, looks interesting.

Practically everyone applauded Hitler in the 30s before Kristelnacht, Fabians included ... Corbyn's credentials are pukka. He is Labour/Socialist one hundred percent. Anyone who thinks he isn't needs to lie in a dark room for a few hours.

Lance wrote: "Jeremy Corbyn, the Fabian Society left wing elitist posing as man of the people http://www.greenteethmm.com/labour-co...

"Labour activists are hailing the Corbyn era as a return to ..."


Every Labour member of parliament is a member of the Fabian Society! It don't mean shit that Corbyn is a member, or that he's "a posh boy". :) - In fact, it's the 'posh boys' we need on side more than anyone else!

Harry wrote: "Every Labour member of parliament is a member of the Fabian Society! It don't mean shit that Corbyn is a member, or that he's "a posh boy". :) - In fact, it's the 'posh boys' we need on side more than anyone else!..."

dat little outburst has finally confirmed what we all already knew: you're a Fabian elitist shill 'posh boy' working for Corbyn :)

But seriously, I hope you're right and Mr. Corbyn is the real deal as there seems to be nobody else near the top of any Western country at present who is for the people. I'm pretty cynical about modern politics and don't think it's possible for some folk hero to rise up alone and take control of one of the most powerful and influential political parties ever (Britain's Labour Party)...However, even if he just another Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and another tricky elitist, at least he's a pacifist and has the track record to support that.

So I say go Elitist Corbyn (if I'm right) and go Man of the People Corbyn (if you're right)!

Bringing it back on topic to the Fabian Society, are you sure every Labour Party member is automatically made a Fabian member? Also, are you sure they are the harmless semi-secret society Labour makes out?

For example, in this article here:

The Fabian Society: the masters of subversion unmasked http://www.freebritainnow.org/0/fabia...

It says: "The Fabian percentage increases dramatically in the higher reaches of the Labour Party. From inception, Labour candidates standing for parliament included a fair number of Fabian Society members and the Society has retained a large proportion – about 50 percent – among Labour candidates since the 1940s."

If that article is correct...
Woudn't you have preferred that Mr Corbyn, as a stated man of the people, had been a part of the 50% of Labour party members not belonging to some shadowy society who nobody knows much about?

P.S. I found this little tidbit about Corbyn which is not a biggie I guess...But again, in an ideal world I'd prefer he would have resisted this and be uncompromising as he states he is:


"Although previously denouncing the extension of mass surveillance as a "travesty of parliamentary democracy"[166] and pledging to protect British citizens from "unwarranted snooping on their online activities by the security services" as part of a "people's charter of digital liberties", Corbyn has supported the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, nicknamed the "snooper's charter" by its opponents.[167] Whistleblower Edward Snowden described the Act as "the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy. It goes further than many autocracies."

James wrote: "Harry wrote: "Every Labour member of parliament is a member of the Fabian Society! It don't mean shit that Corbyn is a member, or that he's "a posh boy". :) - In fact, it's the 'posh boys' we need ..."

To be honest, I'm a bit fed up in having to defend Corbyn, as I've done it too much recently - and I already commented on his Fabian membership elsewhere in this group, but can't remember where.

Actually, no I'm not sure if every Labour M.P is a member of the Fabian Society, so I was a bit hasty there.

I personally believe the Fabian Society is up to no good, as has been mentioned by various conspiracy sites/authors.

But just 'cos we read about the conspiratorial wrongdoings of such societies, it doesn't mean your average Joe -or Corbyn- would be aware of that.

From Wikipedia: "The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.[1][2] As one of the founding organisations of the Labour Representation Committee in 1900, and as an important influence upon the Labour Party which grew from it, the Fabian Society has had a powerful influence on British politics."

So - the Labour Party grew from the Fabian Society and therefore of course still has great ties to it, so I would be extremely surprised if someone like Corbyn was not a member for something that is integral to his party, and why should he be aware of any dubiousness on the society?

Just 'cos "Bob Jones" is a freemason, it doesn't mean he knows what goes on in the upper echelons.

I am fed up with people trying to slur Corbyn, 'cos the media have been on a witch hunt with him from day one - and he's about the only politician, and certainly the only leader, where no one has anything bad on him WHATSOEVER. Hence, slurs like 'Jihadi Jezza' by tabloids and articles like that one about him being a member of the Fabian Society.

I hate the fact that 'liberals', 'lefties' (whatever you want to call them) condone ALL politicians in a single breath, saying 'they're all the bleeding same'. Sometimes it feels like we don't want any good to happen within the system 'cos we love bashing it so much.

Corbyn ONLY became leader (TWICE voted), 'cos an unheard amount of THE GENERAL PUBLIC joined up to the Labour Party solely to vote for the chap. That's why it's unheard of that someone as decent and honest as Corbyn has become a party leader. The people made it happen.

As for him voting for the Investigatory Powers Act - yeah, I am surprised at that, but would need to read up on it a lot more and know his reasons. So you may have found one titbit I could call Corbyn out on. But it's the only one...

O.K. Rant over. Back to exposing the bastard Fabian Society of the topic of this thread.

Agree with much of what you say, Harry.
And I'm basically playing the Devil's Advocate here as like I said I love much of what Corbyn SAYS he will do when/if he becomes Prime Minister. In fact, I think if he does 50% of what he claims he will do, major positive changes will not only occur in Britain, but it'll create a blueprint voters in other nations to demand.
Plus I'm honestly not coming from the angle of "let's tear down Corbyn" or jump on the same train of mainstream media who as you point out are mostly against him.

At the same time tho, I think we need to look at recent political examples...
For example, remember mainstream media has been violently against elitist candidates in the past (Trump, for one) and elections have been potentially rigged against certain leaders who were most likely elitists (e.g. Al Gore in the 2000 U.S. Election). Sometimes it's about who the elitist power brokers prefer, rather than thinking it's the people vs the elite...

So just because Corbyn is up against a wave of opposition, and APPEARS to be up against the Establishment, doesn't mean he's definitely not an elitist.

Perhaps there's a very clever "problem-reaction-solution" situation brewing here?

Re your comment "just 'cos we read about the conspiratorial wrongdoings of such societies, it doesn't mean your average Joe -or Corbyn- would be aware of that."
I'm not sure it's valid to think if you and I and other independent researchers think the Fabian Society are up to no good, that Corbyn wouldn't suspect the same...In fact, as a "career politician" who has been a Labour backbencher for years, I'm pretty certain he'd know a lot more than us about the true nature of such an organisation. In an ideal world, and if he really is altruistic as his supporters claim, I think at the very least we would prefer Corbyn just refuse to join such an organisation (the same one former Labour elitist PM's like Blair and Brown joined) even if he thinks there's only a small chance the Fabians are up to no good...Why not just play it safe to protect the people from undue interference?

I also think it's conjecture rather than indisputable fact to say Corbyn ONLY became leader because of the mass wave of support from the general public. Certainly it's undeniable he has massive public support, but we also know that public support can be engineered (e.g. the way Obama rose up in 2008 after Bush and Blair in the 1990s after Thatcherism in potentially similar problem-reaction-solutions that in hindsight we see were all engineered to trick voters).

James wrote: "Agree with much of what you say, Harry.
And I'm basically playing the Devil's Advocate here as like I said I love much of what Corbyn SAYS he will do when/if he becomes Prime Minister. In fact, I t..."

It's always good to play Devil's Advocate and to scrutinise anyone, especially those that have power; and I know you're not doing it in the same way as the witch hunt media.

But nobody's got anything on Corbyn.

You said: "I 'm not sure it's valid to think if you and I and other independent researchers think the Fabian Society are up to no good, that Corbyn wouldn't suspect the same...In fact, as a "career politician" who has been a Labour backbencher for years, I'm pretty certain he'd know a lot more than us about the true nature of such an organisation."

I completely disagree. Corbyn would have the same mainstream opinion as everyone else on the Fabian Society, rather than the, say, 1% of us who read about such conspiratorial subjects.

You also said: "I also think it's conjecture rather than indisputable fact to say Corbyn ONLY became leader because of the mass wave of support from the general public. Certainly it's undeniable he has massive public support, but we also know that public support can be engineered."

I disagree again. Here's what happened: 1) Corbyn got voted leader. 2) There was uproar within the party that he'd been chosen when no one thought he had a chance. 3) Labour M.Ps (mostly Blairites) slandered and digged at Corbyn to extremes never before seen within a party. 4) The media - both telly and papers - jumped on it and did all they could to have a go at Corbyn and have a laugh at him. It was almost to the level of David Icke in the 90s. :) 5) Labour M.Ps were so anti-Corbyn, that they had another vote. 6) We the people, who believed in Corbyn but not necessarily Labour, we who are waiting in the wings, we the protestors, the youth and the previous non-voters, WE signed up for the Labour Party to make sure Corbyn wasn't going anywhere. More people signed up for Labour in that short time more than has ever happened for any party at any previous time. 7) They continued to laugh at Corbyn, as the media and Labour M.Ps continued to have a go at him and try to get him out, despite him being voted in by the people. 8) The incredible happened. It felt like he'd won the election, even though he hadn't. 9) The media and the M.Ps had to concede that WE the people want a leader like Corbyn. He is finally respected.

So, no, I don't think it was engineered at all.

Lastly, he's not Prime Minister, y'know. And The Elite will do all they can to prevent that from happening.

Things far more complex than aiding Corbyn's ascension to the top of one the most powerful political parties on Earth have been engineered by the Elite before, mate ;)

And as for thinking Corbyn wouldn't be aware of conspiracy theories surrounding the Fabian Society is at odds with reports on Corbyn's beliefs, I think. For example, he's repeatedly stated the 9/11 terrorist event was manipulated afterwards for political purposes and there are also (reported) rumours he believes 9/11 was an Inside Job on the US govt's behalf. The Fabian Society being an elitist organization that interferes with British democracy seems pretty minor and obvious thing to consider.

If I were in Corbyn's shoes, and I'm sure if you were to, I'd just instantly reject any offer to join any organization that has decades-long elitist rumours and undeclared aims. Same goes for Freemasons, Bilderbergers, etc, etc. Our attitude, I'm sure you'd agree, would be "why risk it?"

"Things far more complex than aiding Corbyn's ascension to the top of one the most powerful political parties on Earth have been engineered by the Elite before, mate ;)"

Well, I outlined my 9 steps to his ascension to hopefully show that that would be one hell of a way for the elite to orchestrate things! I mean, I believe some very out there stuff, but you can't dispute the facts I gave about how he became where he is today. The Elite have never had to go to such lengthy and absurd extremes to get who they want in power. And Corbyn is only the opposition leader remember! And as much as I'd like to see him in Number Ten, I have to admit: he'll never get the job.

And I still completely disagree with you with regards to Corbyn and The Fabian Society (The Labour Party, who Corbyn leads, pretty much IS The Fabian Society!!), but we'll only go round in circles now, so I'll leave that one there.

Some of your 9 points about Corbyn's ascension could have occurred organically and independently, but that doesn't disprove the theory that Corbyn may not have backing from a faction of the Elite, in my opinion.

I sense (or hope) he's soon gonna be PM.
If that occurs, we will all know his true nature (and perhaps understand a little more about The Fabian Society) once he makes political decisions.

And if you're right and he never becomes PM, then I guess we'll never know...Just as we never found out (at least not fully) what Al Gore was all about as he was perhaps similarly blocked...Although I'm pretty sure Gore was a complete elitist and simply had less backing than Bush...

Liberal types say: "We want someone in power who's for the people."

Then a true one appears, and the same people say: "He must be a fraud!"

James wrote: "Some of your 9 points about Corbyn's ascension could have occurred organically and independently, but that doesn't disprove the theory that Corbyn may not have backing from a faction of the Elite, ..."

Yeah, it's not like I'm not willing to change my opinion on the bloke if any ACTUAL shit about him came out, but all I've heard for the last year or so is conjecture and speculation invented from thin air.

We'd certainly be able to scrutinise him more closely if he was Prime Minister for sure.

Harry wrote: "Liberal types say: "We want someone in power who's for the people."

Then a true one appears, and the same people say: "He must be a fraud!""

But the point I'm making or taking issue with in your statement is "a true one appears".

I've given recent political examples where people who appeared to be truly for the people (e.g. Obama, Blair, etc) who turned out to be secretly elitists. In fact, Obama fooled as many as billions of people globally before he started making political decisions.
So none of us know if this is a true for-the-people man and it's just as much conjecture to say he definitely is than to say he's aligned with the elite because of Fabian membership or other affiliations in his past. I only presented the latter to do due diligence and play Devil's Advocate, because like I say I wanna get on the Corbyn bandwagon and hope he's the real deal.

I guess we can all agree that the true nature of politicians can only be revealed until and unless they hold power...
Short of that, it is indeed conjecture.
That's why I'm on the fence on Corbyn as been burned too many times with various impressive candidates around the world.

I was being somewhat tongue in cheek with "a true one appears" - was just trying to make the point that "a true one" can NEVER appear, if we all always say it's bullshit.

"'ere, mate, Corbyn's been Prime Minister for twelve years now, and he hasn't put a foot wrong. The N.H.S is thriving, people have a living wage, the homeless have been housed and people have stopped attacking us since we employed new foreign policy."

"Yeah, mate, but there's still something dodgy about the geezer. You mark my words! Let's give it another twelve years..."

And don't misinterpret my "a true one" term. We need more than one fucking Labour M.P to change things.

As some geezer called Harry Whitewolf once said:

"Stop praying for salvation when it is clear/
YOU are the saviours we need around here."

I think it's much more the other way around than the extreme cynicism problem that you're raising...If you think about it, the public keep falling for candidates year after year around the world who they THINK is definitely for the people. They put their faith in certain politicians year after year, then feel despair when each leader turns out to be yet another elitist scumbag.

If ever a true person of the people holds power and makes real changes (the sort of changes Obama promised, but a lot better even) then we will all be crying after 12 months let alone 12 years. It'll be that obvious and the changes will be beyond doubt (e.g. drastic reduction of homeless, universal healthcare/education, basic income to protect the poor, end of wars, etc, etc). Not to say such a leader wouldn't still have critics in the media and some of the public, but by and large the public would overwhelmingly support such a leader as their own lives would improve...

But it seems to me the open-mindedness to be a political agnostic and apolitical (instead of the same old Left/Right political paradigm which divides us all) and instead wait and see rather than blind belief in certain leaders is what's lacking in the voting public. In fact, I think until we break that spell then we will always be trapped in this current political paradigm and be unable to build a new and better system.

Again, I'm not a disbeliever or believer in Corbyn, just trying to do due diligence and question. And as mentioned, I really like what he says and promises (I view him as being very similar to recent American presidential candidate Bernie Sanders).

This'll be a cool thread to come back to if he becomes Prime Minister ;)

Here is a pretty good dramatised account of how the establishment wanted to get rid of Labour in the 60s, through a coup - What here in Britain? Surely not! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6v1V...

Socialism can be "cultured out". Think of the word socialism. Do you think of an egalitarian society or a creeping Soviet-style Stalinisation? For, the elite have captured language and the media tells us how to use it. Interesting, no?

Yes interesting, John.

What's your opinion on the Fabian Society? And Corbyn?

Hi James,

Because of my age, I look at Corbyn and am reminded of Peter, Paul and Mary, baggy pullovers and the CND marches of the early 60s. With his watery eyes and scraggly beard he looks naive and totally out of date, a rather romantic, beatnicky figure - in no way media-savvy, an indispensable disposition nowadays for handling spin, the corporations and neo-liberal fanny. Labour, in those days, was resoundingly defeated by wage and retail price inflation - ideal ground for starting up Thatcherism. And so we got it.

Corbyn is an anachronism. Unlikely to handle the sophisticated media manipulations we have today. At the same time, he indirectly represents the original mission of early 20th century Labour, as wonderfully stated by the politicians of that time - an economy that benefits everyone, a dismantling of the then ruling class. (Hooray!) Once again, I urge you to watch the Days of Hope videos on YouTube.

But, in our time, this is not going to happen. Though the young, and the socially marginalised, have begun to find their own "universe of discourse", there is little groundswell that asks all the questions we need to establish credibility for creating an egalitarian society. Socialism in thought and deed has been "cultured out".

I tend to agree with Marcuse when he says we are currently living in a one-dimensional culture. That is, certain areas of thinking have been blotted out by doxa (Pierre Bourdieu also!) - a diffuse, selfish, self-justified outlook that forbids certain kinds of thinking due to our total immersion in material values. We are so swamped in vodka bottles and microwave cookers that we can no longer see any validity in proposing ethical priorities. (Scaling down looks to many as a form of poverty.)

I think I basically agree with that assessment of Corbyn...as now that I think about it, he does seem a bit like an out-of-touch 60s protester in 2017. Not commenting on his age (which I view as irrelevant) but more his approach.

If our assessment of his correct, do you feel this is why he is being "allowed" to be at the top of the modern Labour Party? Or even to soon be Prime Minister? i.e. because his tactics are not really to ever be a threat to the British and/or global elite?

Or are we both underestimating Mr Corbyn?

Or is Corbyn just another shade of the elite??

Now conspiracy theories around the Fabian society. I would think that something that had a positive influence on the 20th century wouldn't wind up in a conspiracy theory but then again the American right can't seem to shake its fascination with the Frankfurt School and its obsession with "cultural marxism".

Well, I'm personally not sure about the Fabians and asking what others know. Keep in mind tho that UK mainstream media have also speculated whether the Fabians might be interferring with British democracy. So it's not just conspiracy extremists asking the question.

Agree that the Right's judgement of socialism is often harsh due to what occurred in Russia.
But overall I think the Left can be hijacked by the elite just as much as the Right can be.
There are many different forms of corruption and cronyism.
But I do agree with Corbyn (and his apparent US counterpart Bernie Sanders) that our Western societies need some socialism to balance things out.
Fingers crossed he's the real deal as if he becomes PM, and he does create positive changes for the British people, then that'll create a blueprint to follow for the rest of the world.

I cannot really assess what is going on in the Labour Party these days - I am out of contact myself. It struck me that Corbyn got in by accident - no other impressive contenders around. Maybe the new generation of Labour is reclaiming some of the fundamentals in ideology - current social conditions can surely encourage those debates. But I am not optimistic. Last time the students protested about education costs, the cops quickly devised methods of quashing the movement. "Kettling" a method of containing crowds, soon followed by dissipation as the protesters had nowhere else to go.

For an acute analysis of the growth and demise of political movements, see Sartre (1960) Critique of Dialectical Reason, especially his concept of the en fusion an almost magical entity where people spontaneously get together to resist.

Wow, Peter, do you think the American right reads the Frankfurt school?

This (two year old) article, was by a Socialist website (Corbyn of course claims to be quite socialistic):

UK Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn allies himself with Fabian Society’s right-wing agenda https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017...

In claiming to speak for the “left,” the Fabian Society is guilty of false marketing. From its formation in the mid-1880s, Fabianism always stood on the right-wing of the Labour Party. Hostile to Marxism, revolution and the class struggle, it preached social solidarity and the “gradual” development towards socialism—mainly as the achievement of enlightened sections of the bourgeoisie.

However, Fabianism long ago shed any of these minimal social goals and was central to the moves against both of Corbyn’s leadership challenges in 2015 and 2016. Fabian members and supporters within the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) led last year’s attempted coup against him. No less than 15 shadow secretaries of state and nine shadow ministers, who resigned from Corbyn’s cabinet in a bid to force him out, were associated with the society.

Corbyn’s professed aim of transforming Labour into a vehicle for socialism was an anathema to the Fabian Society, which sought to utilise the party’s defeat in the 2015 General Election to engineer a further shift to the right. To this end it had launched its “Facing the Future” programme, to “bring together a broad range of voices” aimed at answering what Labour needed to do “to secure a winning coalition of support across every region and age-group, attracting SNP [Scottish National Party], UKIP [UK Independence Party] and Conservative voters..?”

Jeremy Corbyn | Fabian Conference Speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY3tl...

Kodai wrote: "If you support Eugenics. Progressive-Technocracy, Malthusian beliefs, are atheist, and want a one world government and society based on Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World" or Orwells' "1984" then there is nothing "nefarious" about them...."

hahahaha!

Understanding the Fabian Window https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9oqg...