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A Dance with Dragons ~ 1. Tyrion I *Discuss only this chapter and anything prior

Oh Tyrion how I have missed you! You are like an old friend I have been waiting to see for way too long.

Illyro, I don't know much about you dude but if you are friends with Varys I bet you are sneaky!

“Stannis is at the Wall?” Tyrion rubbed at his nose. “What in seven bloody hells is Stannis doing at the Wall?”
“Shivering, I would think."
LMAO

Somehow I think Tyrion had changed a bit. Just a feeling, though. It seemed darker, broodier and more cunning. But he just killed his nemesis/father so that's undeestandable.

I think there's definitely something going on here. Do you think Illyrio and Varys will use Tyrion as a game-changer for the Targs?

Yes, I do think the have a plan of some sort.

Why does Tyrion keep asking everyone "Where do whores go?"

Is he still looking for Tysha? I thought that was a long time ago - or does he think she may be nearby?

Terry wrote: "Is he still looking for Tysha? I thought that was a long time ago - or does he think she may be nearby?"

That is what I thought was his reason.

That would be nice for him if he finds her and they get back together, however unlikely it may be.

Tyrion such a smart ass. Cracks me up.

I agree with the Tysha theory. Or he is just really drunk and sad. lol

Where is Vary's? They couldn't find him in Westeros either. Where did he go? Disguised still? Side note: Do you think Vary's snuck Dany and Visery out of Westeros during the rebellion? Could he have been plotting a revolt for this long?

Terry wrote: "Why does Tyrion keep asking everyone "Where do whores go?""

Before Tywin's death he told Tyrion he didn't know (or care) where's Tysha right now and she just went "wherever whores go". That was one of his last words.

Tyrion's just dwelling on that thought, I guess. He just wanted to find her.

Siya wrote: "Terry wrote: "Why does Tyrion keep asking everyone "Where do whores go?""

Before Tywin's death he told Tyrion he didn't know (or care) where's Tysha right now and she just went "wherever whores go..."
Noted - thanks Siya!

Alex Farrand wrote: "Tyrion such a smart ass. Cracks me up.

I agree with the Tysha theory. Or he is just really drunk and sad. lol

Where is Vary's? They couldn't find him in Westeros either. Where did he go? Disguise..."
YES, that is a very probable theory!

Yeah, I agree about Varys being the one to take Viserys and Daenerys to Illyrio. They've been seen together before - Arya overheard one of their conversations in the dark rooms below the Red Keep in AGoT, remember? That's how she knew Ned was in danger. So they appear to be planning something together. There's a really cool theory about what their plan is, but we need one more thing to be revealed and then I'll post a link to a video about the theory. Otherwise it's a major spoiler. I've posted it before, on one of the other threads. Though technically, all theories are spoilers... this one in particular is extremely interesting.

Anyway, I remember starting to slightly dislike Tyrion while reading this book for the first time and now I remember why. You're right Siya, he has changed. He's become much more... insolent and nihilistic. More cynical. Not that he wasn't extremely sarcastic before, but this isn't sarcasm and it's a bit too much for me.

Martin seems to enjoy getting his characters obsessed over a single phrase. Jaime with the whole "...she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know."; Ygritte and Jon with the "You know nothing, Jon Snow."; Daenerys with the "If I turn back, I am lost." and now Tyrion with "Wherever whores go." What do you think it means, though? What Tywin said, I mean. Where do you think Tysha is? Did he even know?

Ilyrio!
He sure is fixating on 'whever whores go' but I don't necessarily blame him.

Had to go back to work so I'll finish this chapter later today!

I am so happy to have Tyrion back. I am getting confused about the timeline though. I am correct in thinking we are back right after he took off right?

Yes, he is trying to show the same events from a different perspective and add some more info that we would not know from reading book 4. However, I am finding it a bit redundant, after reading the past 4 books and viewing 6 seasons of the tv show.

I don't like the way he spilt these two books already. I don't watch the show.

Roseanne wrote: "I don't like the way he spilt these two books already. I don't watch the show."

I think the books could have been better organized.

Just read this chapter. It's great to have Tyrion back. He's a little depressed and nihilistic (great word Ria!) right now, but he seemed to perk up later when Illyrio suggested there might be something Tyrion could do to recover his standing. I didn't realize he was picking the mushrooms because he was considering suicide - I thought he was thinking about poisoning Illyrio.