Mortal Instruments & Infernal Devices Lovers! discussion

So say what's most on your chest while you were reading city of heavenly fire or when you finished the book! xD

I was so scared that it was going to end with many deaths and not pan out how I wanted it to, but oh my goodness. I was blown away by it! It was absolutely awesome, amazing, extraordinary, and completely met my expectations and more. I was so sad when I ended it knowing that it was the last in the series, but now I have TDA and TLH to look forward to and I can't wait!

OMG Cassie hit soooo many of parts of my heart! My god when Jonathans eyes turned green!! I burst out into tears. When the book was over i was just... upset. I hope we will still have Clary and Jace to look forward to in TDA. I was solo upset when Magnus's Father took Simons memories I didnt really like Simon but he grew on me!!! I couldnt see him go. Then sfter a while when he said " I remember" I burst out into MOER TEARS. I got them feels.... XC CX XD DX

Hi Everyone!
Boy, do I have A LOT going on inside of my head about COHF, I'd love to talk about what I've been thinking today. Before I continue, I will admit, I have NOT read the book, and, I don't know if I will. Honestly, it just sounds too emotionally draining to me. What I have come across has yanked right out my heart.
For right now, I'd love to talk about Sebastian/Jonathan. I could never have imagined that I would develop the feels for him as I have. I am stunned as to the kind of feels that I've been having. Actualy, more than anyone else. I have NEVER had these kinds of feels EVER. I must be not seeing something bc these feels are worse than ANY other book that I have read (or not read)!!

SPOILERS COMING!!

I am completely aware with what he has done. Jonathan was dealt a tough and unfair hand. A tough tough life. I feel SOO badly for him. He deserved so much more. He deserved love. He deserved companionship, a family etc.. He practically had no control over what he was dealt.. It broke my heart.

So, when Clary did what she did with the sword, (AND why did it have the heavenly fire in it??) and his eyes turned their true color of green, and Jonathan was able to reveal himself and repent, that was just SO heartbreaking. What a brave boy/man to repent. This seemed to be a slow and cruel doing, he said that he felt lighter, and was able to feel both physicaly and mentally. Why? He ddn't deserve it. Jace said they were two individual people. And over the Lake?? "Forever.." Are you kidding me? Rip my heart out why don't you! And you have been! All day! And the dream?? Get me another box of tissues will you! Yes, we got to see the real Jonathan, but, for such a short amount of time, what a tease. I am glad that he was able to turn good, he didn't have ANY demon blood in him. but..he deserved so much more. Yes, he did what he did, but, he still deserved more. I had hoped and wished that he would stay around longer, since he was good.

I just saw a drawing of Jonathan, and it was I believe one of the teasers, which stated basically, how can a boy be raised as a devil, be anything but a demon. Ever since reading this, I felt even more badly for him. He's not a demon, despite how he was raised.
For this reason, at least, Jonathan deserves a good TMI ending. What about making him a Silent Brother like Jem was, or something?? That'd help him, I believe.

As I completely acknowledge the things that he has done, I feel that he is still redeemable. Everyone on this earth is redeemable. It might be difficult to do so, but, he is. Forgive. I believe, I think, Clary had some sort of doubt regarding Sebastian's being. On his being good. Yes, Jonathan would feel certainly the guilt, the shame and everything that went along with this, but, he would heal over time. Now, with what happened, I think, through "death", everything is in limbo. Forgive and heal.

I do REALLY hope that Cassie will somehow...somehow..bring Jonathan back in future books..

He is part demon. His father poisoned him with Lilliths blood while still in the womb.

He is part demon. His father poisoned him with Lilliths blood while still in the womb.

I literally just finished City of Heavenly Fire. And W O W. I don't know what to say. It was beautiful!! So Good!! Thank you Cassandra for that beautiful ending!

It was beautiful ending. I still liked infernal devices beter though. I didn't cry with this one but I am so happy that she liked wrapped everything and I didn't want to kill anyone at the end. I loved seeing sebastian though and having him be ehimself it was awesome! I can't wait for the next series!!!

BOOKLOVER_123 wrote: "God, i loved the book it was A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!!!!!!!!
PS. whats TDA or TDH? Havent been on the internet lately so i don't know about the new series, so could someone plz tell"

It follows emma carstairs and Julian Blckthorn with his siblings in LA

I think City of heavenly fire was the best book ever! I was weeping like a baby at the end because I thought there would be no more Shadow hunters. But now I know about TDA and TLH so looking forward to reading those!

I actually liked Clockwork Princess better I cried so much with that but I didn't cry at all with this one just teared up a bit

I have mixed feelings. It certainly had me at the edge of my seat (when I thought Magnus was going to give himself to Asmodeus I nearly died), and I can't describe how glad I am Malec survived, but I did feel that the Simon thing was kinda pointless and too easily reversible (don't get me wrong; it hurt so much to see him forget everything, but fixing it so easily kinda undermined his sacrifice) and the whole thing felt a little bit too neatly resolved. A great ending to the series, and a great first taste of TDA, but Clockwork Princess, despite all the pain it brought me, remains my favorite. :)

Did anybody else notice Magnus's age in this one? In City of Glass, Magnus says he's seven or eight hundred years old, but in this one, he says four hundred. Did anybody else notice it?

Yes I noticed, but I decided to ignore the 'little' flaw.

Cassandra Clare has mentioned the eight hundred years old thing was a joke, and in the Bane Chronicles, Magnus says he lies about his age whether for his own benefit or just to mess with people. I think the 'almost four hundred' thing in CoHF might actually be the truth.

Hm yeah he would do that. I guess Magnus is 400+ years old then?

400-, most likely.

Nina wrote: "I have mixed feelings. It certainly had me at the edge of my seat (when I thought Magnus was going to give himself to Asmodeus I nearly died), and I can't describe how glad I am Malec survived, but..."

I agree with you, the whole Simon Sacrifice was kind of senseless. I mean I was so sorry especially for Izzy - sometimes she seemed so lonley and I wished all the best for her - but the solution took away all the drama the book had. The deathes were bearable (even if I really liked Jordan and Raphael.) so the only drama was with Magnus nearly dying and Simon sacrificing himself and it all was taken away so easily.

I was very anxious for a lot of Characters (especially Malec) but I think I would have prefered the pain of one or two meaningful losses (not Malec of cause ;-) )

I was expecting much more. I liked the Book, and about 1/3 made me really cry and was sooo good. (The whole Sebastian-Asmodeus-Showdown) But the rest seemed almost a little bit boring. I mean, there was good comedy and some interessting conversations. Alec finally got more profile.

But all in all it was not as good as for example City of Glass. The Epilogue made me cry, but for my taste it was a little too kitschy.

Actually nothing really bad happens.... Happy End is great, but this was a bit to happy.

Caddy wrote: "Nina wrote: "I have mixed feelings. It certainly had me at the edge of my seat (when I thought Magnus was going to give himself to Asmodeus I nearly died), and I can't describe how glad I am Malec ..."

I completely agree, by the end, you've almost forgotten that HUNDREDS OF SHADOWHUNTERS DIED, everyone's having fun at a wedding and all is good in the world... apart from Magnus' predicting there's worse to come, that is. *shiver*

And yes, it was a great book, Jonathan tugged at my heartstrings, as did the visions the gang had, and I liked that we had characters bonding (Alec with Jace and Simon, Clary with Isabelle), which is exactly why I think some heartache would be to its benefit. I mean, not only does Simon get his memories back, he also isn't a vampire anymore, his mother doesn't remember a thing, and apparently he's going to become a Shadowhunter. It almost feels like Asmodeus was doing them a favor instead of asking for a price. (Still way better than the alternative. *hugs Magnus*)

All in all, I didn't like this book as much as CoLS nor CoG, but it was a moving and intense conclusion. I hope we'll get to see the gang in TDA, and I can't wait to see how the events help shape Emma and Jules. Julian and his dad and Helen and Mark...now that was drama.

Four words...MOST AWESOME BOOK EVERRRRRR!

Was really scared when i started it with all the theories going around, but afterwords, UTTERLY SPEECHLESS. Really makes me look forward to TDA. Didn't expect Simon do pull that move or to cry when Jonathan died but...WHOA

really really really enjoyed the big finale!!!

Yeah i was also very surprised with my reaction to Jonathans death. A really well written scene. It was obvious that clary had somehow the fire but what happened next was not. I never expected to cry over that guy.

It was a great book. The Simon thing was a little worrying but it did resolve itself fairly quickly.

What I didn't get was the Maia Jordan thing. She seemed fairly happy to be with him in CoLS but then she couldn't stand him in CoHF? That confused me.

And all the deaths were so fast. No build up or anything. Just BANG! Dead.

I totally agree. Plus there was very little after affect of the deaths. I mean comparing it to the Infernal Devices I noticed that they weren't as detailed in all of that stuff. In reply to the Maia and Jordan thing she really only was with him because he wanted to. Plus they were to busy having sex all the time to actually talk and figure out this relationship. In the beginning when I first read about the secret, I didn't think that she was going to break up with him I thought that the secret that she was going to tell him was that she was pregnant. I'm happy that it wasn't that though!

She doesn't seem the type to just go along with the guy but you're right. Their mouths were very busy and while very few words were being said.

I found the Simon Isabelle ship more interesting than the Clary Jace. Ever since we found out they weren't related it's just been a matter of time. But with S and I everything was possible. She had understandable trust issues and he wasn't aware there was a relationship till clary told him. Great end to their story.

I agree Simon and Isabelle's relationship has been an emotional ride for both of them unlike Jace and Clary who never fought for more than a few pages in the whole series Simon and Isabelle seemed more like a real relationship than a magical unwaivering love like Jace and Clary. Don't get me wrong I love them but it just seemed more like a fairytale than a modern relationship.

Very true. The angst and turmoil from before Fallen Angels can't be matched. It was amazing and heartbreaking. Like at the end of CoA where she sobbed on the train home. But CoLS was interesting when they both went evil.

Haha well they were both part angel. I guess that means relationship wise as well

If you look at Luke and Jocelyns relationship that is even dynamic! As soon as Sebastian comes along though Jace and Clary have nothing to worry about. I think What Cassandra Clare is trying to do though is show that they are determned by fate that they are going to be together but what I don't understand is how the others don't get that luxury.

I suppose it could be that. But then again they were the only two angel humans on the planet. I guess they were bound to be drawn to each other.

I never really got Luke and Jocelyn thing. Referring to her repeated claims that she loved Luke even while she was marrying Valentine. Made very little sense. Protesting too much I think

I agree with you! Curse you angel humans you get all the luck when it comes to love!

I think with Jocelyn though she saw him more of a friend than a potential husband. She was always with Valentine and so Luke was always there but she was already involved. I believe the love that she had for him was more of a friendship kind of love and then after he turned it all stopped as he was removed from her life and then she really began to realize how much she cared for him and not in a friends kind of way>

I think it was beautifully wrote, everything happened for a reason, even the simon memory thing. I mean he hated being a vampire and it seems like hes getting his memories back slowly right? Im just seriously mad that Jem and Tessa's wedding isn't in the US verions...

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...This made me cry more than the whole book combined. And is that... is that a rune on Simon's arm?

i wanted that sebastian turned clary :c

I NEVER saw Simon becoming a shadowhunter coming! My sister predicted it, but I was totally blindsided. But I thought it was perfect!

I liked it but I thought him loosing his memory was not needed and it didn't add much to the story!

I think it was so there was a bittersweet side to it. I mean there had to be some repercussion for him being rid of vampirism. Plus, I think he'll get all of his memory back because that's what it kind of hinted at. I guess we'll have to wait and see in the next series.

While it wasn't a long lived plot line it did have a few repercussions. I had a tiny feeling that Isabelle would strip her marks and live as a mundane to be with Simon. It was better how it happened but there were a few possibilities.

Plus he'll never remember everything so it's almost like they're going to fall in love all over again. Which is kinda nice when you think about it.

Yeah Sarah they do get all the luck. Maybe they could spare some thought for the mere mortals

I'm kin of confused abojt Simon ascending to be a Shadowhunter... I thought you couldn't turn humans unless they were kids? :S

Didnt like it at all... There was no action...

I wanted to love this book. Overall, I liked it very much, but the pacing was strange. This contains some spoilers.
I was a little annoyed with how much time was spent with Emma, since we know the next series will be about her and Jules. I wanted to read about the already established characters from TMI. Also, the epilogue was a bit long and actually dragged a little. I was also a little disappointed with the big showdown with Sebastian. I get that the fight need to be between him and Clary, but I was bummed to have so little of Jace in that scene. He spent more than half of it knocked unconscious! I also thought the whole dilemma of being stuck in that other dimension was unnecessary. I loved that Simon sacrificed himself, but I was heartbroken about it too. Then, she turned around and basically undid his memory loss. It kind of cheapened the whole thing for me. Oh, and I loved the cave scene with Clary & Jace. I may be nit-picking here, but I will admit that I got pulled out of the moment when she mentioned the condom. I was like, seriously? He packed condoms when he hadn't even been able to touch Clary up to that point without bursting into flames? I think I understand she was trying to promote safe sex, but it kind of pulled me out of what otherwise, was a great scene. I loved the moments with Simon and Isabelle. I hadn't had strong feelings about their relationship until the previous book, and I liked their develpoment in this story more than I expected to.

I thought it was great and thank u for not....leaving Simon n limbo (so to speak)

I didn't love it like I wanted to. I loved City of Lost souls and Clockwork Princess will go down as one of my all time favorites, but this was a bit disappointing. I did like that we got to know Alec a little more and got to see more of Simon and Issy but Jace and Clary felt flat to me. (um did anyone else roll their eyes at the fact that they are all like rationing food in the hell dimention but Jace remembered to bring condoms? Really?) I also was expecting big tear jerking deaths, not that i wanted them, i was just very prepared. But no. They made it to hell and back with out any big losses. I actually never cried reading this book. (clockwork Princess killed me, like rocking back and forth sobbing). Any the whole Simon thing ticked me off. too easy. And since when can just anyone become a shadow hunter?

Carri wrote: "I didn't love it like I wanted to. I loved City of Lost souls and Clockwork Princess will go down as one of my all time favorites, but this was a bit disappointing. I did like that we got to know..."

Thank you! I completely agree with you on this. I read TMI before I read any of TID. Clockwork Princess had me bawling all the way through the book. This one left me just feeling unsettled.

I completely agree with you Carri. I had been waiting forever for Jace and Clary to finally go to that next level, not for the fact that they just have sex, but because it meant that no only were they not afraid to finally be with each other, but I also wanted it in this instant to be a last act of love because they didn't know of they would survive their mission. sadly the whole scene was ridiculous and unbelievable. they went from people who had grown up and found love in eachother to two horn teenagers. Disappointing as far as romance and character growth.

Jill wrote: "I wanted to love this book. Overall, I liked it very much, but the pacing was strange. This contains some spoilers.
I was a little annoyed with how much time was spent with Emma, since we know the..."

WOW! I completely agree with this! I mean I loved the book but these little things annoyed me a lot too!

i really loved the book...especially when Jem and Tessa were introduced..really liked that they got back together again...was really sad when Simon sacrificed himself so that they could all return to Alicante ...

I was really nervous for CIHF since I feel like so many YA series end terribly and I was already skeptical of the second half of TMI. There were some things that bothered me (the fact that once again Cassie didn't really allow the reader to grieve for the death of a character, that happened with Jordan like it did with Max) however overall I think the book made me appreciate the second half of the series and did make me cry a total of 18 times (one of them being me sobbing on an airplane). I almost wish Simon never reentered the Shadow hunter world as I think having us really retain that loss and unique pain that is different than a death of a character would be fantastic (yes I'm encouraging Cassandra to crush us into a million pieces) I think it was a very impressive and quotable finale.

So I just finished reading CoHF and I have a question, I clearly remember have seen snippets of Jace entering a room to talk to Jem (Brother Zachariah) and of Jem talking about parabatai runes or something like that to Jace, but I didn't read anything like that in the book and I was kind of hoping on it, so were they like fake or what? Or did I miss it?

I dont remember that, maybe it will be expanded on in one of the upcoming series I'm unsure

Sharon wrote: "So I just finished reading CoHF and I have a question, I clearly remember have seen snippets of Jace entering a room to talk to Jem (Brother Zachariah) and of Jem talking about parabatai runes or s..."

I'm pretty sure it was after the Iron sisters battle where Jace burnt Jem with the heavenly fire. Afterwards Jace went to visit Jem in the infirmary to check if he was hurt but it turned out he cured him, then Jem gave the talk and his thanks :-)

Oh yes, it turns out I did miss that part, silly me, thanks :)