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Malaraa Here we are! The Unofficial Group Read for the "Hotel" prompt: A Gentleman in Moscow. Everyone's starting at their own pace, some of us still waiting on copies, so responses may be sporadic to begin with. :)


Chrissy | 387 comments I've had this on hold at my library since Feb 6, but I'm still #150 waiting for 50 copies, so it will likely be about 9 more weeks before I get my hands on it! When I do, I'll be sure to check in here.


Brooke | 273 comments I plan to take this book on my upcoming business trip, so I'll be ready to discuss in a couple of weeks when I get back!


poshpenny | 1916 comments This book is also on my list this year but I've no idea when I'll get to it.


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Sara I just started reading today. Looking for to it!


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Caity (adivineeternity) | 164 comments I want to start... but I still have, like, six books to finish. >_>

I should probably do that.


Chrissy | 387 comments I decided I didn't feel like waiting, so I used an Audible credit to get it, and started listening today. I was trying to explain to my husband how it is possible that listening to him talk about being bored was somehow interesting... hard to convey!


Aimee Beske | 24 comments I just started reading it yesterday and am a quarter of the way through. Lucky for me I live in the New Orleans area, and it popped in my inbox the day I got off for Mardi Gras break! Great entertainment as I wait for the parades to start - I'm such a nerd. :)


Aimee Beske | 24 comments I do have a question, do we know how old he is when the novel begins?


Shirley (stampartiste) I live in the Baton Rouge area, and it was automatically checked out to me (finally!) in Overdrive last week. I am loving the author's style of writing. I've never read anything quite like it. The only word that comes to mind is Delicious! Will definitely be reading Rules of Civility after I finish this one.


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I've got this on hold at my library - just waiting for my turn! (My library hold system is a bit unpredictable, because members of each branch get priority on that branch's copies, but you can't tell from the hold list who is in line in front of you.)


Theresa | 2377 comments I believe he is in his 20s. You are given sufficient info to guess his approximate age.

I read this in January and it was wonderful! In fact I stayed up way too late on a work night to finish it. I put it on the list of books I highly recommend and promptly purchased the ebook for Towles' first book.


Chrissy | 387 comments I passed the halfway point. I'm not sure I've ever read a book with so little plot that I enjoyed this much! It is a real paradox for me.


Chrissy | 387 comments Anyone still reading? I'm getting near the end and have questions. If anyone else has gotten to the 1954 section, let me know!


Aimee Beske | 24 comments I've finished the book!


Nadine in NY Jones | 9683 comments Mod
It JUST came in for me on hold at my library! So ... I'll be reading it in a week or so, when I finish the book I'm reading now.


Shirley (stampartiste) Sorry, Chrissy, I'm in 1938, reading slowly and enjoying this book to the hilt. Unfortunately, my library also automatically checked me out the digital edition of A Man Called Ove a few days later. I'm trying to read both simultaneously, as there are long wait lists for both of these books. But reading both at the same time has been a BIG mistake!

I know A Man Called Ove must also be a great book, but I'm having such a hard time getting into it because of the extreme contrasts between Count Rostov and Ove. Where Count Rostov is such a breath of fresh air with his courtesy, wit and charm, Ove is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I just can't get into him! Maybe I should just wait until later to try to read it and savor the moments in A Gentleman in Moscow.


Malaraa I've got between 6 - 14 weeks to go before i get this, depending on whether digital or physical line moves faster, and whether anyone returns it early or jumps out of line.

That said, I'll probably stop checking the thread now until I get it, since people are reading it now, I'll wait until spoilers won't be a thing anymore for me, then pop back in. :D

Glad to hear people are enjoying it, I'll be back to join in when I can.


Chrissy | 387 comments Aimee wrote: "I've finished the book!"

I listened to the audiobook and it is hard to go back to find a specific spot! So, Aimee, there's a part where two Italian characters speak in Italian... (view spoiler)


Chrissy | 387 comments stampartiste wrote: "Sorry, Chrissy, I'm in 1938, reading slowly and enjoying this book to the hilt. Unfortunately, my library also automatically checked me out the digital edition of A Man Called Ove a..."

I finished both of those recently too! I really like both, but for different reasons. I agree that Ove, especially at first, does not stack up well next to Alexander Rostov! As you might imagine, he does show some redeeming characteristics eventually.


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Aimee Beske | 24 comments Chrissy wrote: "I listened to the audiobook and it is hard to go back to find a specific spot! So, Aimee, there's a part where two Italian characters speak in Italian... Is..."

The way I understood it, although it was not clear, (view spoiler)


Nadine in NY Jones | 9683 comments Mod
I just got it out of the library! He's 32 when the book begins, they give his birthdate (Oct 1889) and the date of the interview (June? 1922) in the first pages, so I did the math. That's about how far I got, I fell asleep in the first chapter. I'm a little concerned that this isn't going to be a good book for me, but I'll try again today (snow day! lots of reading time!)


Carolina Poli (carolina_poli) | 29 comments Chrissy wrote: "I passed the halfway point. I'm not sure I've ever read a book with so little plot that I enjoyed this much! It is a real paradox for me."

That is so true! It'a amazing how a great setting and good character development can make up for anything! The writing is so much fun :) I loved Sasha, I was happy/sad when I finished the book.


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments I'm perhaps cheating a bit because I really wanted to join this discussion of A Gentleman in Moscow. Please let me??

Like Chrissy @20, I listened to the book (enjoyed it very much), but am finding it difficult (impossible?) to go back and catch details I apparently missed. I have the same question she asks: (view spoiler)


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments I did read Aimee's response @22 to Chrissy's questions. (view spoiler)

When anyone is ready for reviews, mine is here: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show... I include links to a number of professional reviews.

Here are a number of suggestions for follow-on reads in response to a question by a reader who love AGiM: https://www.goodreads.com/questions/8...

Again, thank you for allowing me to step into the conversation here. Now, kick me out if you like!! This book and conversation about it was just too tempting for me. ;-o


Aimee Beske | 24 comments Lily wrote: "I'm perhaps cheating a bit because I really wanted to join this discussion of A Gentleman in Moscow. Please let me??

Like Chrissy @20, I listened to the book (enjoyed it very much..."


I would never have thought of(view spoiler)


AnneS Spillers (annesva) | 4 comments Lily wrote: "I'm perhaps cheating a bit because I really wanted to join this discussion of A Gentleman in Moscow. Please let me??

Like Chrissy @20, I listened to the book (enjoyed it very much..."

I hope I got this right. It's been quite a few months since I read the book but I loved it and wanted to read the comments. In answer to Lily's questions:
(view spoiler)


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments Aimee wrote: "I would never have thought of..."

Thank you much for your perspectives, Aimee. Hopefully one of my f2f colleagues will have an actual copy for our upcoming discussion!


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I'm up to 1946 and avoiding spoilers so I haven't read most of the comments. Just wondering: am I the only one who does NOT like this book?


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments Nadine wrote: "I'm up to 1946 and avoiding spoilers so I haven't read most of the comments. Just wondering: am I the only one who does NOT like this book?"

Nadine -- I'm among those who enjoyed it. Want to share with us why you are not liking it?

Although the book sometimes can feel a bit "snooty," I agree with this comment from Ron Charles at the Washington Post: “In our own allegedly classless society, we seem to have retained only what’s deplorable about aristocracy — the oppression, the snobbery, the racism — and thrown out those qualities that were worth retaining. Which makes ‘The Gentleman of Moscow’ an endearing reminder of the graciousness of real class. It has nothing to do with money; it’s predicated on the kind of moral discipline that never goes out of style.”

And Craig Taylor at the NYT reminds us that Count Rostov demonstrates that great discipline that is required to remain in the present, the now, under dire circumstances: “Rostov is an aesthete, an intellectual who will maintain his resolve by committing to the business of practicalities….. What happens when a novel centers on a character so capable, so witty and at ease in the world, even as that world convulses around him? “

Seeing that a table is set immaculately may not seem like practicalities, but it has something of discipline, of respect for order and for the other. And it will not be enough alone, as the story illustrates. Only a bit of the incredible discipline providing order under imprisonment. Strong contrast with the gulags, but fascinating parallels.

Anyway, that's a bit of my reflections. I did want something quite different going into the story, which was more history about Russia. I would like to understand better current conditions there. I enjoyed a recent article in National Geographic, and a friend who lived there has indicated to me, based on a cursory discussion, it seems quite accurate. I also have The Big Green Tent by Lyudmila Ulitskaya sitting on my coffee table, begging to be read. It may give the insights I seek. It was a recent selection on the 21st Century board, but I am avoiding reading the comments there until I have found some time with the book itself.


Shirley (stampartiste) I just finished the book. I was really going slow as I didn't want it to end. I've never read a book written with Amor Towles's incredible style, and I didn't want to finish it. That being said, I loved it.

(view spoiler)


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments stampartiste wrote: "I just finished the book. I was really going slow as I didn't want it to end. I've never read a book written with Amor Towles's incredible style, and I didn't want to finish it. Th..."

Stampartiste -- thanks for your comments -- and textual evidence. AnneS -- yours, too. I somehow missed them until just now! ;-(


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Lily wrote: "Nadine wrote: "I'm up to 1946 and avoiding spoilers so I haven't read most of the comments. Just wondering: am I the only one who does NOT like this book?"

Nadine -- I'm among those who enjoyed it. . Want to share with us why you are not liking it?"


I just don't like the style. It's just twee! It's so fussy and there are so many extraneous asides, just too much. I don't particularly like the Count, which makes it difficult for me to enjoy his supposedly charming personality. All the supporting characters are interchangeable. the front desk guy (Vasily?) ... Emile ... Andrey ... etc ... change their names and occupations, and you don't change the story at all. And then there are the other side characters that just randomly appear, to add flavor I guess? And everything just seems too easy, people are starving to death in the countryside or in gulags, but the Count is worrying about some insignificant detail. I don't get it. There's really very little that I like about this, and I'm surprised I'm the only one. Maybe everyone else who would not have liked it knew well enough to stay away and did not read it or join in this discussion!


Shirley (stampartiste) Did anyone else notice that so many of the events occurred in June? There was never any reference to the fact that he was sentenced to house arrest on June 21, 1922, not even when (view spoiler) I just found this so curious. I wonder what Towles was trying to say?


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Tytti | 355 comments Nadine wrote: "Maybe everyone else who would not have liked it knew well enough to stay away and did not read it or join in this discussion!"

I've been reading an account about Soviet Russia in 1924-26 written by a well connected foreign official/businessman who spoke Russian and who was illegally detained, imprisoned and sent to Solovki, for no reason of course, so I have been following the discussion to see if my hunches about this book and its unbelievalbe premise are correct. (I was surprised to see a mention of (view spoiler), don't really understand its point in the story.)


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments Tytti wrote: "(I was surprised to see a mention of [spoiler], don't really understand its point in the story.)..."

Tytti -- is this the incident to which you are alluding and asking if it has a role in the story: (view spoiler)


Shirley (stampartiste) Although I don't know what the author's intent was in approaching the history of Russia following the Revolution in the manner that he did, I can only reflect on the impression his book left on me.

From 1917 through the Stalin regime, life was a land mine. At any moment, someone could be denounced by anyone and wind up in Lubyanka or Siberia. It was a brutal time in Russia, full of suspicion, harshness and deprivation. Into this picture, comes Count Rostov, a man who was brought up to believe that life could be better than that, and that a man could control his own reaction to circumstances. In short, he chose to look on the bright side, if you will. Rostov was aware of what was going on in Russia (he read the papers every day, and he lost two people who were very dear to him to the gulags); but he chose to make his little patch of the world one of civility and beauty, and he surrounded himself with like-minded people. Rostov could have become bitter and allowed himself to become part of the norm, but he chose to rise above it. That took great courage and constant determination. And in doing so, he encouraged others to find joy in helping their fellow man (ex: Osip Ivanovich - the KGB official, Vikotr Stepanovich - the orchestra conductor, and Anna Urbanova - the self-involved actress).

This book made me wish there were more Rostovs left in this world.


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments Nadine wrote: "...I just don't like the style. It's just twee! It's so fussy and there are so many extraneous asides, just too much. I don't particularly like the Count, which makes it difficult for me to enjoy his supposedly charming personality. All the supporting characters are interchangeable. ..."

Nadine -- thank you so much for sharing your perspectives! For me, this is what makes reading and sharing with a group enjoyable, regardless of how oneself reacts to a piece of literature. I can share and appreciate several of your observations, albeit without forsaking my own enjoyment of this novel.

You send me now to look at the one and two star reviews on Goodreads and Amazon. Usually I do that BEFORE selecting a read, but this one was chosen for me by my f2f (face-to-face) book group. The issues that arise across a range of reactions oft influence my choice. Here, hopefully they may help understanding the book and its messages.

One of the Goodreads positive reviews that picks up a number of the attributes that led me to like this novel: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Will be back later with at least one negative review to which I can relate: This comes from Chrissie in Sweden:

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

Also, I am wondering if there is insight here in considering the life journey and style of the author himself -- both how that influences the story and the reactions to it. (Just discovered that the author page for Amor Towles has a Goodreads interview -- long, 33 min., of Towles after he finished Rules of Civility. Provides insight into how this author approached ideas, characters, plot and pulls them together for that book; it felt as if considerable parts were also applicable to AGiM.


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Tytti | 355 comments Lily wrote: "Tytti -- is this the incident to which you are alluding and asking if it has a ro..."

Oh, that one. (view spoiler)


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Tytti | 355 comments stampartiste wrote: "he chose to make his little patch of the world one of civility and beauty, and he surrounded himself with like-minded people. Rostov could have become bitter and allowed himself to become part of the norm, but he chose to rise above it. That took great courage and constant determination. And in doing so, he encouraged others to find joy in helping their fellow man"

Sorry, this sounds more like fantasy than something that is possible in an authoritarian society like Stalin's Soviet Union.


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments Tytti wrote: "Lily wrote: "Tytti -- is this the incident to which you are alluding and asking if it has a ro..."

Oh, that one. [spoilers removed]"


Is this accurate/relevant? (view spoiler)


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Tytti | 355 comments Well, yes, but depending on the time that visit happened, it would have been difficult or even impossible, or at a later time I don't really see a reason to do that. Also I am not sure, I seem to recall it would have been one of those towns one needed a special permission to go, though it might have been Murmansk, or both. At least it might have been off limits for foreigners... Even the people living there were gathered from all over the Soviet Union and they spoke different languages. (I haven't read the book, doesn't sound very interesting and probably won't be translated, either.)


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments The most devastating reader review I've seen to date was "By Amazon Customer on September 28, 2016," a two star review labelled "A missed opportunity to be a truly great book." I don't know how to link it. Use Google or... if you want to try to find it. It is on the Amazon site and I found it by searching for two star reviews. It questions the story on several fronts, particularly whether AGiM provides realistic history in either characters or plot.

Overall, this discussion is leading to my thoughts on what is fiction, what are stories, and what becomes the filtered role/impact we choose to let them have on our own lives and attitudes.


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Tytti | 355 comments If someone wants to read a real account about the life in the Soviet Russia during the mid 1920's, you can find one here: https://archive.org/details/1929InThe...

(He also mentions seeing Sidney Reilly, the possible model for James Bond, in the same prison he was being held.)


Nadine in NY Jones | 9683 comments Mod
Well, I persevered and finally finished this thing. Then I had to come here to understand the ending! (view spoiler)

I did have another question about the ending: (view spoiler)

As for Tytti's question, (view spoiler) And as to whether any of it makes sense? well, A LOT of this book is Towle's personal fantasyland version of what Russia was like, so I gave up on it making sense.


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Tytti | 355 comments Oh, I didn't (view spoiler), Lily did. It didn't make sense to me either. And no, that (view spoiler). It does seem to me that the author doesn't have any idea about the life in a totalitarian state. For example (view spoiler) and former prisoners especially (including e.g. former Soviet POWs) were under surveillance.


Nadine in NY Jones | 9683 comments Mod
Tytti wrote: "Oh, I didn't [spoilers removed], Lily did. It didn't make sense to me either. And no, that [spoilers removed]. It does seem to me that the author doesn't have any idea about the life in a totalitar..."

I agree - I know very little about the USSR and/or Russia, but I did think this story was unreasonably light and happy, things could not have been as easy as it makes it seem. However, (view spoiler) So, maybe it's possible ...

At any rate, I did NOT enjoy this book.


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Lily (joy1) | 61 comments My f2f book club had a good discussion today, albeit a small group. One of us had been in the Metropol and another had visited Moscow on work. Some of us enjoyed the book for what we considered the cleverness of the plot, the decency of most of the characters, the writing, the allusions to other writings, but we pretty much agreed that it was fictional fantasy rather than a story based on probable reality. Which led to a bit of discussion about what is the place of stories in our lives. To some of us, fantasy or no, Count Rostov represented a way that we might aspire to be able to persevere under adversity. But we reminded ourselves of the institutions that protect human freedoms and the risks and breakdowns they can face.

Thanks again to all who have provided insights here -- or sent me searching.


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Tytti | 355 comments Nadine wrote: "(view spoiler)"

(view spoiler)

Also, from what I have understood about the novel, it seems that the Count had a better life than at least 99.9% of the whole Soviet population, so I'm not sure how much "adversity" he faced compared to others. I remember a non-fiction book I recently read about a long-range reconnaissance mission in July 1941 to the Karelian Isthmus and close to Leningrad where the Finnish soldiers also talked to the locals living there now. They wondered how even young boys would only talk about bread and that now, when they were living on a "Finnish land" (in the home villages of those Finnish soldiers), they would get a good harvest and have bread. Previously they had lived in Leningrad. (Finnish boys that age talked about sports or cars.) And this is my review of one memoir written by an Ingrian man, covering mainly the years 1930-42, and for example he was almost alone responsible for feeding himself, his sick mother and a little sister at the age of 12, so that I would call "adversity" and it wasn't his last one, either: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...


Malaraa Finally got my hands on a copy. I enjoyed the book, but I did go into it assuming it was going to be heavier on the fiction part of historical fiction, which may have made a difference.

Some parts of the story feel like those tales where something happens and the story of what happened gets passed on only verbally, and only secretly for a long long time, and it slowly gets dramatized as the telling gets further from the people who were there and more and more embellished to be entertaining. Several of the less plausible parts sound like they are based on what someone's uncle's third cousin said happened, and used to fill in the gaps in the story where the facts had been hidden or forgotten.

I was OK with that though, I wasn't expecting anything but an entertaining tale of what might have been (or might not have). It certainly was a very well done and interesting character study. It's just not meant to give a picture of an average person of the place and times. As (I think it's Misha?) points out mid-late in the book, the Count actually has a very fortunate situation compared to a lot of his countrymen.


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