Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:


"Bilderberg’s modus operandi reinforced in his mind the complexity of the global hierarchy. He didn’t know if Omega controlled the Bilderberg Group or vice versa, but the situation reminded him that no matter how much anyone thought they knew about the New World Order elite, there were always higher levels in the plethora of secret societies and shadow organizations that ruled the planet." –The Ninth Orphan

So what does all this talk about the Bilderberg Group mean exactly? Is it just a pile of the usual circumstantial evidence that seems to conveniently support many conspiracy theories? According to Belgian magnate and former Bilderberg chairman Étienne Davignon, that is exactly the case. In the January 22, 2011 edition of The Economist, Davignon said Bilderberg Group meetings allowed attendees to speak off-the-record and share opinions with major figures – without the risk of casual comments being taken out of context by the media.

Those of Davignon’s school of thought propose that all conspiracy theories surrounding Bilderberg simply arise because of the group’s strict methods of ensuring absolute privacy of participants involved. Then again, it’s hard to believe the only decisions the world’s elite make at these exclusive resorts each year is what to order for dinner or what time to play golf!

There’s also another possibility, or theory, in this discussion. It would lie about half way between the two extremes covered so far in this chapter.

This possibility would suggest that the powerful individuals who attend Bilderberg conferences have no devious intentions. On the contrary, all they really desire is to have informal chats with others at their own business or political level.

However, this would also suggest that in imperceptible ways leaders of different nations end up influencing each other’s policymaking. And therefore a globalist agenda would still end up circumventing democracy in the nations represented – albeit subtly and possibly without the awareness of conference attendees.

If this theory is true then the darker intentions would lie with the lesser known individuals running the Bilderberg Group. These invisible puppet masters would be using Bilderberg attendees to orchestrate world events to their liking. It could be argued that the carrots the organization dangles – especially assistance in climbing business or political ladders – tug at the personal ambitions of those attendees.

But, of course, we could be totally wrong about everything we wrote about the Bilderbergers in The Orphan Trilogy. In which case, you can go back to trusting your elected politicians and believing they have no ulterior motives and really do have your best interests at heart…

In Daniel Estulin's book he presents a list of Bilderberg dates, locations, attendees, and topics, provided by the Bilderberg group. Yes, the dates and locations were presented after the fact, but given that Estulin and others have tried to crash these parties they must not be too well hidden. The topics included world peace and global disarmament, which conspiracy theorists such as Estulin have decided is a plot to disarm citizens rather then consider the possibility that the Bilderberg group is honestly working toward world peace.

Yup, that's one possibility also.

The group is true. Eye of Mollock by Glenn Beck would explores more of these clandestine meeting.

Mikhayla ..." Not too hidden since Alex Jones exposed them a few years ago, and consistently since then.

James,
Informal chats such as meeting in Chantilly, reportedly to choose the winner of the "election". Then meeting separately with Obama and H. Clinton, after which Clinton announces that [although she arguably has the advantage], she is resigning.

Yes, Rosalie, you're most likely right about you're implying re the 2008 Bilderberg conference in Virginia. I think Obama played it smarter than Bill Clinton as he didn't officially attend the event.

Here's a video of a very awkward press conference where Obama's spokesman tries to explain to official election journalists why Obama was holding private meetings (closed to the press) during the election campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIPik8...

That's a great (and funny but frustrating to watch!) video, James. Hadn't seen that before.

Can someone explain to me why a private meeting is a bad thing?

Because there's a difference between private meetings and secret meetings and what we've agreed upon as to what should be shared and allowed within our current political landscape. i.e- It is illegal to discuss certain political issues in secret meetings etal.

As the video above shows, they shouldn't have had a private meeting during the election, as just one example.

I didn't know that it was illegal to discuss certain political issues in private meetings. What is that law?

It seemed to me that the reporters in the above video, were concerned that they had not been informed regarding the private meetings Obama was attending, not because of the topics that might have been discussed, so much as because they had prearranged an opportunity to meet with him, and this opportunity not only changed unexpectedly, but they were already on the plane before they were informed that Obama was not on it. They certainly should have been informed that their arranged meeting had been canceled in favor of some other private meeting that had been arranged in the last minute.

Mikhayla wrote: "I didn't know that it was illegal to discuss certain political issues in private meetings. What is that law?

It seemed to me that the reporters in the above video, were concerned that they had no..."

The legislation referred to is the Logan Act – a federal law which prevents US citizens and representatives from making policy decisions in secret with foreign government officials.

More about this on our blog at: http://morcanbooksandfilms.com/2014/0...

The US law is called The Logan Act, Mikhayla.
From memory, the gist of the law is it strictly forbids any elected US officials from discussing policies at all in private meetings that involve non-US politicians. Now the loop hole is that Anerican Bilderbergers never admit to engaging in political discussions. But to believe that requires us common citizens having a massive degree of trust (and I would argue naivity) in the politicians.

Thank you Lance and James! Now, let's take those down who feel they are above the law. I do believe we have confessions. They do not, after all, confess to holding private meetings with non-US politicians.

Mikhayla wrote: "Thank you Lance and James! Now, let's take those down who feel they are above the law. I do believe we have confessions. They do not, after all, confess to holding private meetings with non-US poli..."

In fact, numerous elected US officials have confessed to holding private meetings with non-US politicians. For example, Bill Clinton has answered questions in recent years while on speaking tours freely admitting he attended the 1991 Bilderberg conference shortly before he was elected President. And there's always a fairly even mix of US and non-US politicians at any Bilderberg conference.

However, what no US politician has ever confessed to is discussing policies with non-US politicians in such private meetings at these elitist groups. To confess to that would be admitting to breaking a US federal law, specifically the Logan Act.

In my opinion though, to believe that no policy discussions (even broad ones) ever occur at these meetings requires a massive leap of faith - not to mention a rigid belief in the inherent purity of ALL US elected officials. Given the on-the-record history of these political leaders being warmongers and putting corporations that bankroll them into power ahead of the citizens that vote for them, I certainly know which way I'd be placing my bets...

Mikhayla wrote: "Now, let's take those down who feel they are above the law..."

I 2nd that idea, Mikhayla.
Question is: How do we go about it peacefully?

We go about it by exposing and demanding peacefully, and not letting the potential of our efforts erupting into violence stop us. We will defend ourselves and innocent others. This is the way of the Bodhisattva, says our Dalai Lama. It is the vow of the Bodhisattva to stop anyone doing harm by whatever force necessary. Peaceful, non-violent passive resistance, is an awesome weapon, but there are police officers who have had to take lives in order to keep us safe from sociopaths. I won't judge the solders who fight for my right to live in a better world. I will thank them, both those who manage to fight without taking a life, and those who must, but both must loth the obligation of the latter.

A group of powerful people meeting in secret can't be up to any good. If they really had altruistic motives they wouldn't have a problem explaining what they're discussing.

They must be intelligent enough to know that a vacuum of information will be filled by speculation, gossip and conspiracy. Are they happy to go along with that?

I can understand business leaders talking in secret, not wanting competitors to find out what they're discussing, but finance ministers, presidents, prime ministers. If it's all for our benefit, why the secrecy?

Check out this video of Harry Whitewolf performing a poem about Bilderberg members from his book Two Beat Newbie.

BILDERBERGERS AND FRIES -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0naK...

James Morcan wrote: "Check out this video of Harry Whitewolf performing a poem about Bilderberg members from his book Two Beat Newbie.

BILDERBERGERS AND FRIES -- https://www.youtube.co..."

I only just saw that you'd posted that. Cheers!

Why we shouldn’t dismiss Bilderberg conspiracies so lightly -- http://theconversation.com/why-we-sho...

Chris wrote: "I can understand business leaders talking in secret, not wanting competitors to find out what they're discussing, but finance ministers, presidents, prime ministers. If it's all for our benefit, why the secrecy? ..."

A very valid question, Chris.

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