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Excerpt from The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy:


One of several informants Jesse Ventura’s team (i.e. the team of the aforementioned Conspiracy Theory TV show) interviews describes fusion centers as “command centers for a network of concentration camps – similar to the Nazi concentration camps – for US citizens who don’t toe the line”. This is supported by footage of several modern establishments that do look suspiciously like concentration camps, complete with tight security and razor wire fences.

As the program’s voice-over would have us believe, “Jesse Ventura uncovers a plot to force martial law on law abiding citizens, replace 50 states with 10 giant prison sectors, fill up hundreds of concentration camps with people like you and me, and pull the trigger with a disease pandemic.”

In support of these assertions, Ventura and his TV crew visit one establishment where, from the cover of trees, hundreds of new plastic coffins can be seen stockpiled row upon row inside the perimeter fence, ostensibly in preparation for one of the pandemics referred to above. Soon after the arrival of Ventura’s team, trucks arrive and start transporting the coffins away, leaving viewers to draw their own conclusion.

The coffins, incidentally, are referred to by officialdom as “plastic grave-liners”.

The fact that this particular episode of Conspiracy Theory was pulled off air, allegedly in response to Government pressure, would seem to lend some weight to the message Ventura was trying to get across. Certainly, it does give pause for thought.

Interestingly, the name Halliburton keeps cropping up in the video in relation to the coffins and the fusion centers that feature in it. Halliburton Company, of course, is the multinational corporation that George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush are connected with. Yes the same corporation involved in controversies dating back to the Iraq War. Anyway, Halliburton is named as the designer of the fusion centers, and one of its (unnamed) associate companies is said to have supplied the coffins.

Ventura interviews retired FBI agent Mike German who is especially critical of the fusion centers and their management. A 16-year veteran of the FBI, where he served as a Special Agent in domestic terrorism, bank fraud and public corruption investigations, German says the centers have no oversight or guidelines, and he agrees with Ventura that their management and purpose are undemocratic.

It should be noted that not all conspiracy theorists have bought in to Governor Ventura’s assertions regarding the FEMA camps and fusion centers.

TopSecretWriters.com’s Ryan Dube calls Ventura’s assertions fear-mongering. Dube says, “True researchers not only track down leads in…documents and by conducting interviews, but more importantly they do not jump to conclusions based on shabby evidence. True conspiracy researchers remain honest with readers and viewers regarding what is actually known, and what remains unknown. Unfortunately, these are lessons that Jesse Ventura…never learned.”

Dube describes as “all lies” claims that the centers are spying on every American who speaks out against the government and that huge piles of “coffins” are being stored for future mass genocides. “It does legitimate conspiracy researchers…a great disservice to spread fear-mongering and disinformation in an effort to increase ratings and create misdirected fear among the American population,” he says.

Using documentation TopSecretWriters obtained, apparently on request, from the Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Dube attempts to debunk core theories that Ventura highlights in the program.

“In fact, the effort by the DHS in creating these centers,” according to Dube, “was to allow local law enforcement to respond more quickly whenever someone is spotted casing out a bridge, a bank, or a high rise building as part of planning for another terrorist attack.”

Given Homeland Security would be first in the firing line if Governor Ventura’s allegations about the real purpose of the centers and camps were ever proven correct, we are not sure if the department is the most reliable source of information in this debate. Nevertheless, we accede that many Americans – possibly most – will accept Homeland Security’s word as gospel on this issue.

Regardless, images of prison-like camps and stockpiled items that look suspiciously like plastic coffins would appear to undermine the official explanation.


Seventeen didn’t even glance at any of the detainees as she pushed Isabelle along. Having worked as an interrogator and torturer at several CIA prisons around the world, she knew all about the secret internment program. She understood some of the detainees were major terrorist suspects while others were considered less important, having limited intelligence value and little direct involvement in terrorism. Isabelle had been classified as among the latter group, the cover story being that she was the former lover of a low-level Al Qaeda figure. This allowed the CIA and Omega to detain the Frenchwoman legally. –The Ninth Orphan

The horrors of Guantanamo Bay are bad enough- let alone the stuff you mention above James.

From today's Telegraph: "Torture more 'brutal and sadistic' than Senate report disclosed
Newly declassified testimony by Guantanamo Bay detainee shows CIA interrogators running out of control".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world...

Harry wrote: "The horrors of Guantanamo Bay are bad enough- let alone the stuff you mention above James.

From today's Telegraph: "Torture more 'brutal and sadistic' than Senate report disclosed
Newly declassif..."

Surprise, surprise...

The Prison Industrial Complex

GOV'T 'FUSION CENTERS' SPYING ON PATRIOTS IN ALL 50 STATES https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2696...

"All 50 states have at least one DHS fusion center, and the story of Brenda Arthur lends credence to the views of civil libertarians that these centers, whatever their stated purpose, have been weaponized against law-abiding American citizens."