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Disinforming the public about UFOs

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nasa-worker...
Possible hoax of course, but if the worker's story is true, it either means we have already set foot on Mars, as most conspiracy theorists seem to be going nuts over, or- and which I think more likely- the surface of Mars that this whistle blower was looking at, was actually just another fake set like the moon... perhaps even the same one from the movie Capricorn One?

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nasa-worker......"
That's a pretty big story, Harry.
Assuming for a moment, it did happen...Then if it was totally classified and the public never saw or heard of it at the time, what would be in it for NASA to fake it? Capricorn One, after all, was about deceiving the public.
But anyway, I notice in the article it's not a confirmed NASA employee. Just a woman called 'Jackie' who called in to a conspiracy radio show. She could be real and legit...Or she could have been calling in from a mental asylum.

Good point re; Capricorn One. I guess I just sometimes feel like it's all a crock of shit and we're living in a Truman Show world where our whole solar system is just a holographic projection...
Hm, I'm having one of those days...


Bad B-movies often have a lot of real truths in them, Harry...


In the meanwhile I know there is a lot the cooperated media don't told us. And there is much the mainstream science forbid us to think.
I am reading papers from Wes Penres from his side http://wespenre.com. (much about Aliens)
He wites :
"In 1998 I posted my first website, Illuminati News, on the Internet and it is still up and running. It's a giant database where I expose the Global Elite (also called the PTB [Powers That Be] and the "Illuminati") and their plans to gain total control over mankind. I also on the Illuminati News website, to a smaller extent, explain that there are interdimensional star beings who pull the string on the Illuminati as well. So there is a strict hierarchy in this control system which extends to outside our planet and even into other dimensions. Therefore, in reality, the super rich families on this planet, whom we may think are in charge because of their incredible wealth and hunger for power, are merely puppets themselves in a much larger game, which is played out in other dimensions, by beings living in the, for us, invisible electromagnetic spectra."
Instead of writing a book he presented his thoughts in this papers. It is very mind chalinging to read these. At the first time I thoght why must such informed man belief in aliens? But now I get a more widespread knowledge about. this alien topic and I can draw strings between my former religion, aliens, antique cultures, the NWO, technology transfer and others.
It could be that some of the visited ufos are eart produced Tesla inspiered aircrafts. But not all.

Earlier eras that includes the post-WW2 period of Roswell, according to many UFO researchers.
Researchers like Colonel Philip J. Corso whose 1997 book The Day After Roswell does in places present convincing evidence to support the theory that antigravitational propulsion systems and related technologies could be manmade. In fact, Colonel Corso is not so much a researcher but a Roswell insider who claims to have handled all the wreckage from the incident’s crash site. Corso was a member of President Eisenhower’s National Security Council and former head of the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army’s Research & Development department.
“As early as September 1947,” the book states, “scientists who had gone to the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field to see the debris were speculating that the electronic potential of the Roswell craft reminded them of the German and British antigravity experiments of the 1920s and 1930s.”
If it’s true that the 1947 flying saucer crash debris stored at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base were reminiscent of earlier scientific theories, experiments or inventions, then one could logically deduce that whatever the technology found at Roswell was it may not necessarily have had extraterrestrial origins. Or even that the craft was unlikely to have come from an alien civilization.
“General Twining,” Colonel Corso continues, “was reported to have said more than once that the name of the Serbian electrical engineer and inventor of alternating current, Nikola Tesla, kept bubbling up in the conversation because the scientists examining the damaged craft described the way it must have converted an electromagnetic field into an antigravity field. And, of course, the craft itself reminded them of the German experimental fighter aircraft that made their appearance near the end of the war but that had been in development ever since the 1930s.”
Some pertinent observations were made about the The Day After Roswell by UFO researcher Michael Lindemann in an article he wrote for CNI News. “In the course of describing his handling of the wreckage,” Lindemann writes, “Corso makes numerous interesting side comments. For example, he says he soon realized that a small hand-held laser he found in the filing cabinet must be a surgical cutting instrument, which was probably used in cattle mutilations. He also says he learned that the Roswell UFO was "a delta-shaped object," a claim that fits recent speculations by Roswell researchers Randle and Schmitt and forensic investigator William McDonald.”
Colonel Corso also mentioned in his book other pre-WW2 experiments that allude to the potential of ordinary human science being capable of creating UFO-type crafts. “If the magnetic field theory experiments carried out by engineers and electrical energy pioneers Paul Biefeld and Townsend Brown in the 1920s at the California Institute for Advanced Studies were accurately reported – and the U.S. military as well as scientific record keepers at the Bureau of Investigation kept very close tabs on what these engineers were doing – then the technological theory for antigravity flight existed before World War II.”
“In fact,” Colonel Corso continues, “prototypes for vertical takeoff and landing disk shaped aircraft had been on the drawing boards at the California Institute since before the war. It was just that in the United States nobody paid them much attention. The Germans did develop and had flown flying disks, or so the intelligence reports read, even though they had no impact on the outcome of the war other than stimulating a race between the United States and the USSR to gather as much of the German technology as possible.”
Many researchers, historians and scientists alike have postulated that the Nazis successfully developed antigravity technologies during or even before WW2 – and as per Corso’s aforementioned statements, US intelligence reports confirm this.
As Nick Cook mentioned in his 2007 non-fiction title The Hunt for Zero Point: Inside the Classified World of Antigravity Technology, there seems to be ample evidence to show flying saucer technology was indeed developed by the Nazis during the war. In the book, Cook mentions Polish researcher, Igor Witkowski, who apparently discovered evidence of a secret Nazi antigravity project.
Witkowski informed Cook of a strange Nazi experiment known simply as 'The Bell'.
“A series of experiments had taken place in a mine in a valley close to the Czech frontier,” Cook informs readers in The Hunt for Zero Point about Witkowski’s discoveries. “The experiments required large doses of electricity fed via thick cabling into a chamber hundreds of meters belowground. In this chamber, a bell-shaped device comprising two contra-rotating cylinders filled with mercury, or something like it, had emitted a strange pale blue light … A number of scientists who had been exposed to the device during these experiments suffered terrible side effects; five were said to have died as a result. Word had it that the tests sought to investigate some kind of anti-gravitational effect.”
In other words, the Nazis were deep into developing antigravity propulsion systems aka flying saucers aka UFO’s!
And if the Nazis had such technologies, then the Allies (especially the United States) could have gained possession and control of them at the end of WW2 and began developing antigravity flying machines in their own militaries.
It also appears there may once again exist a possible connection with Japan in regards to these technologies. Japanese scientist Dr. Takaaki Musha informed us of an interrelated UFO account during our research for his book.
“My father, Haruo Musha, who was a military officer at the time of World War Two, told me that he was ordered to be trained in Manchukuo (the wartime Japanese-occupied Manchuria in Northern China) to become the pilot of a super advanced fighter plane delivered from Germany with other advanced technologies such as the atomic bomb. The Japanese Imperial Army had secret facilities there and developed weapons including advanced fighters.”
“General Kanji Ishiwara,” Dr. Musha continues, “who established Manchukuo, had a plan to develop an advanced fighter which would be able to fly around the world without refueling and with high speed. He wanted to prepare for the last war with the United States in Manchukuo. As a younger man, Ishiwara had studied in Germany and it is possible he connected with the Nazis at some point in his career and learnt about their antigravity technologies in active development.”
It seems there could be some kind of connecting thread between the Nazis, the Japanese and the Roswell UFO crash.
All these examples strongly indicates that when early-mid 20th Century science is analyzed in its totality – including classified antigravity experiments conducted by the Nazis, the British and the Americans, or semi-secret experiments like those of Nikola Tesla’s – science had already evolved to the necessary level back then where sophisticated antigravity UFO technologies could be built by Man.

Inter-dimensional is my take too. Not sure about the Illuminati link, I think that comes from a different direction (to do with materialistic power and control (polar opposites of the Freemasons)).

I too sense ETs are inter-dimensional or multidimensional beings. I also think they are also time travellers as well.
No wonder we cannot (yet) figure them out!
Maybe somebody in this group can enlighten us all...(yes that was an invitation)...Maybe someone in this group has met an alien...Or maybe we even have an ET amongst us!!!!!


Earlier eras that includes the post-WW2 period of Roswell, ac..."
Talking of the world war race,
Talking http://mysteryexplained.blogspot.in/2...
The cosmonauts said...
“Conditions growing worse, why don’t you answer? . . . We are going slower. . . the world will never know about us. . . ”
This short note is not the only thing you would find if you research upon this topic. Clearly the government did not want to publicize their "failure" imagine, one truth would have resulted in the complete reorganization of "history" as we know it. As for the aliens too, how would we ever know?

The most bloodcurdling recording the Judica-Cordiglia brothers made captures the sounds of a female cosmonaut burning up on re-entry in 1963:
“Come in… come in… come in… Listen! Come in! Talk to me! I am hot! I am hot! Come in! What? Forty-five? What? Fifty? Yes. Yes, yes, breathing. Oxygen, oxygen… I am hot. This… isn’t this dangerous?”
“Transmission begins now. Forty-one. Yes, I feel hot. I feel hot, it’s all… it’s all hot. I can see a flame! I can see a flame! I can see a flame! Thirty-two… thirty-two. Am I going to crash? Yes, yes I feel hot… I am listening, I feel hot, I will re-enter. I’m hot!”
Experts have questioned the veracity of the recordings, but it remains possible that the Italian brothers did stumble upon the dark truth behind one of the great legends of the Cold War.


My comments or you mean the lost cosmonaut stories?


James wrote: "Perhaps the ET and UFO movements are simply disinformation – i.e. deception, propaganda or half-truths.
Persuading everyone to believe in aliens compels us to look up to the skies. And while we ar..."
NO such theory can ever be "disinforming" its yet another take on reality not everyone can think of therefore i certainly appreciate it Sir.

I've also previously looked at Crowley's link to it all, which Final Events is covering too. Interesting article on it: "Sirius Business: Was Aleister Crowley an Extraterrestrial Medium?"
http://whofortedblog.com/2012/12/01/s...
My own take on aliens and ufos is that it is a metaphysical issue. I think that they are interdimensional beings, that have interacted with humans from the beginning of time. Some are just playing with us, as fairies and jinn were known to do throughout time, others maybe more sinister. The Irish talk of fairies as being fallen angels, but they were the second fall--too bad for heaven and too good for hell. (I'm partial to fairies but I wouldn't mess with them. They aren't the little winged creatures that live at the bottom of Victorian gardens. Think Keel's Indrid Cole for the real thing).
As Jacques Vallée pointed out, and the same conclusions were made by John A. Keel the aliens technology is and was always flawed. Bits of spaceships fell off, etc. Everything about it was all so dodgy. Surely anyone able to master space travel to such a degree would have far superior technology?
So here's my take, and I came to this conclusion after a friend of a friend channelled her 'angel' and he invited me along on a rapture type scenario, to a spaceship inside the hollow moon. (Can't tell you how thrilled I was with that. :0). Demons exist. I'm not a Christian, but the church was right. Also you can't channel angels, if they are communicating with you this way they are not angels at all, but something more dangerous.
All these 'aliens' and 'angels' and 'superior life forms' like 'ascended masters' are fooking with us. And it never turns out well for those involved in the deceptions. Be they trance mediums or alien abductees. (Re trance mediumship The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts: A Riveting Investigation Into Channeling and Spirit Guidesby Joe Fisher is a must read in my mind. truly scary.)
I'm not sure if anyone's read The Tibetan Book of the Dead or The After-death Experiences on the Bardo Plane but the descriptions of the bardo body and its abilities, including precognition, and the beings that have chosen to remain on the bardo, rather than re-entering samsara, fill in the gaps for me.

There is actually a little evidence from insider reports and accounts by ex-Military employees to indicate authorities in intelligence agencies also believe this theory of aliens being interdimensional beings.

Okay, thanks for clarifying, SD.
I read another lost cosmonaut account where their last words before transmission ended were "We must get this footage back to Earth for humanity needs to know about this!"

Were they Russian too?

Were they Russian too?..."
Yes, cosmonauts. So I assume that's either Russian or Soviet.

I try to do my bit, SD. It beats watching so-called news reports by mainstream media, that's for sure!!

I try to do my bit, SD. It beats watching so-called news reports by mainstream media, that's for sure!!"
yeah, true that :)

The author is a former director of Project Bluebook. What makes it interesting is he essentially says the USAF was lying about UFOs in Bluebook, that there were many incidents they could not explain but wrote off anyway as swamp gas or whatnot. A couple years later, he republished the book. Everything was still the same except a new final chapter which essentially nixed everything else in the book. Shortly afterwards, the author died of a heart attack at a very young age.
You can read my review of the book here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...

Jim Keith
One of the underlying themes of Keith's works is that the UFO phenomenon is, in fact, of entirely earthly origin and has its roots within a parallel program of technological development. Keith maintained a steadfast commitment to the earthly-origin theory, and he believed that there was a concerted effort to put forth the extraterrestrial hypothesis into the public consciousness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keith

Jim Keith
One of the underlying themes of Keith's works is that the UFO phenomenon is, in fact, of entirely earthly origin and has its roots within a parallel p..."
When I was very young and in the 2nd or 3rd grade back in the 1960s, I had an experience along these lines. A friend and I were taking our time walking back to class after recess ended. We were alone on the playground when we saw a large black object pass over us. It looked like some kind of sleek spacecraft and we immediately assumed it was a UFO like in the movies. Scared us to death. We ran back to class and told the teacher, but she didn't believe us. She thought we made it up as an accuse for being late.
Some years later I was very much into build airplane models and I saw that black craft again - on the box of a model of the SR-17 Blackbird spy plane. Years after that I read that at the time I had my "sighting," the SR-17 was being tested in the skies over Southern California and there were times when malfunctions forced the aircraft to fly low over the state. That produced a lot of purported UFO sightings. As long as the public thought what they saw was a UFO, the government was happy.

Exactly! All the pretense of denial of U.F.O.s by the government, is because they want the public to suspect they are covering up alien visitation,when what they are actually covering up is simply man-made technology.
They know that the more they deny alien existence, the more people are determined to believe.

The Bennewitz Affair
Paul Bennewitz became convinced during the 1980's he was uncovering an alien plot to invade the planet. His suspicions were further cultivated by Richard Doty of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), as well as William Moore, a high profile ufology writer and researcher of the era. The circumstances, which included tales of alien underground bases and circulation of inauthentic documents, were thoroughly explored in Mirage Men by Mark Pilkington and associates, and Project Beta by Greg Bishop, among other sources.
Many researchers now suspect AFOSI exploited Bennewitz's incorrect assumptions in order to minimize his credibility. That would have been so no one would pay any attention to matters of national security the man did happen to be stomping all over, however entirely unrelated to extraterrestrials the matters may have been. Moore dropped a quarter on the whole operation when he declared - during his keynote speech at the 1989 MUFON International Symposium, no less - that he had been conspiring with the intelligence community to feed disinformation to Bennewitz and the ufology faithful at large (see 1989 Nov. and Dec. editions of MUFON UFO Journal).
https://web.archive.org/web/201311052...
Doty claims he was acting on official orders while gaslighting Bennewitz, who was eventually involuntarily admitted to a residential mental health facility. The matter of Air Force involvement continues to be debated. Alejandro Rojas conducted some solid FOIA work into the issue that was largely stonewalled, yet nonetheless made a worthy article.
http://www.openminds.tv/open-letter-u...


Hollywood vs. The Aliens: The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation

UFO: The Great Disinformation


http://7tales.net/project-redsun-they...

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/11...

About 13 million pages of declassified documents from the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have been released online.
The records include UFO sightings and psychic experiments from the Stargate programme, which has long been of interest to conspiracy theorists.

http://7tales.net/project-redsun-they..."
They went to Mars without telling us...
Not sure. What do you think?

About 13 million pages of declassified documents from the US Central Intelligence Agency (C..."
If you trust that these documents contain true information, what reasons do you have? Do you think the intelligence agencies would ever release false information, to further hide their real activities?

I never said, or wanted to imply, anything about those 13 million declassified CIA documents - just simply shared the files with the group to let others research if of interest.
But of course you're right that intel. agencies don't go out of the way to help the masses.
At the same time, however, many crucial documents have been declassified due to time elapsed or else legal pressure under the US Freedom of Information Act and other interrelated laws. And such declassifications have lead to certain conspiracy theories (e.g. MK-Ultra, Operation Paperclip, Operation Northwoods, etc, etc) being proven to be factual rather than simply theories or rumours. It's not that common or regular, but such bombshells are sometimes revealed in declassified files.
Often the intel. agencies' declassified files are blacked out in sections, so it takes a lot of detective work that only the most committed investigative journalists or other career-driven researchers are prepared to do.
Lastly, yes I am aware from my research that agencies do release disinformation all the time. They are masters of game-playing. However, in my assessment this is not usually done via declassified files as double-ups of these historical files are usually recoverable (and comparable) at different archives/libraries. So I think it'd be a too risky/complex way for agencies to spread disinformation. I'd certainly put nothing past them, tho!

The National Security Agency recently released the majority of a 1978 memo prepared by an assignee about his attendance at a UFO conference. The document was obtained following a Jan. 24, 2017, request for a Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR). The five-page memo contains the subject line, "Information request solicitation," and advises the NSA on such matters as likely fraudulent CIA letters showcased at the conference, activities of some specific researchers in attendance, relationships with the researchers, and potential problems that might arise through such relationships. The NSA Sep. 12, 2017, response to the MDR request and the partially redacted document may be viewed and downloaded at the link above.
See full article here: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/2017/...

“The majority in the UFO community are clueless about the depths that an intelligence agency can go to manage people of interest.”
- James Carrion, commenting in The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community
"The Pentagon spent over $500 million – half a billion bucks – to create fake videos, according to sources such as Independent and The Bureau of Investigative Journalism. But it was much more than perception management."


Wow!

Books mentioned in this topic
The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community (other topics)Hollywood vs. The Aliens: The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation (other topics)
Mirage Men: A Journey in Disinformation, Paranoia and UFOs (other topics)
Hollywood vs. The Aliens: The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation (other topics)
Antigravity Propulsion (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
John A. Keel (other topics)Joe Fisher (other topics)
Nick Redfern (other topics)
Jacques F. Vallée (other topics)
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Perhaps the ET and UFO movements are simply disinformation – i.e. deception, propaganda or half-truths.
Persuading everyone to believe in aliens compels us to look up to the skies. And while we are all waiting for Little Green Men to arrive, the shadowy people in the Splinter Civilization effortlessly go about their secret work by advancing their suppressed inventions at a rate of knots.
This disinformation counter-conspiracy theory suggests that, collectively, accounts of ET’s coming or crashing or even living amongst us conveniently form the perfect cover story. It’s a story that is spread by intelligence agencies which encourage, and even surreptitiously finance, Hollywood film studios to make mega-budget movies about aliens and alien invasions.
Maybe the widespread acceptance by many that aliens have arrived on earth at some point – or at least a willingness to consider such a thing is possible – can be blamed on Hollywood. More likely, it can be attributed to the fact that we have been given so little of the big picture. (No pun intended).
If the Splinter Civilization’s suppressed technologies were revealed in their entirety to the public at large, would everyone still believe UFO’s must be of extraterrestrial origin?
Take Nikola Tesla’s technologies alone. If these were suddenly declassified and opened up to public scrutiny, would we still be so quick to automatically assume that any alien civilization is superior, scientifically or otherwise, to our own? For all anyone knows, humanity may be the most scientifically advanced civilization in the entire universe.
“The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously.” –Mikhail Gorbachev, ‘Soviet Youth’ speech, May 4, 1990.