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Oct 06, 2019 11:46PM
North wood by maryse meijer is good as is grief is a thing with feathers. While grief isn’t strictly poetry it’s still lyrical in that style much of the time.
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I've read A Humument: A Treated Victorian Novel. I didn't get much out of it. Clever without being bright.
Robyn wrote: "Okay, Gregory hates everything. :D "
Love Is a Dog from Hell by Charles Bukowski. It's old but I haven't read it.
Love Is a Dog from Hell by Charles Bukowski. It's old but I haven't read it.
I think it best if we don't confuse things. I'll try to read some of the other books suggested and record my responses to them here. First up, though, Love Is a Dog from Hell.
Robyn wrote: "Did anyone else get a message from the author of Northwood?"
I got no message.
I got no message.
One thing that I can't get my head around is conceptualism. Firstly, we must feel before we must think. Secondly, talk of pollution is rubbish. As I once said, Yesterday's never far away. Man is a bank of memories. The emotions is our way into the mind. From there, we must be critical.
Ariana Reines is a cult icon in her own right, it seems. The Cow and Telephone are both firsts for her. She might be well worth looking into.
Whosoever Has Let A Minotaur Enter Them, Or A Sonnet- by Emily Carr is a work of poetry, whereas Northwood: A Novella by Maryse Meijer is a work of fiction. Both books work similar ground, it seems, all the same.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Firstly, we must feel before we think."
I think you're making a generalization that doesn't apply to everyone. There are poems that I felt nothing for until after I spent enough ti..."
The problem with conceptualism is that it thinks the truth is in the thing itself when the truth is out there.
I think you're making a generalization that doesn't apply to everyone. There are poems that I felt nothing for until after I spent enough ti..."
The problem with conceptualism is that it thinks the truth is in the thing itself when the truth is out there.
Robyn wrote: "Finished Notes on Conceptualism. This critique suggests four possible ways to read the book, and I read it as aphorisms (option number 2), gaining what I could where I could, not being bothered by ..."
It sounds like a mess left over from religion.
It sounds like a mess left over from religion.
Eunoia by Christian Bök is listed as conceptual poetry. Apparently highly rated, it sounds highly pretentious to me, but Bok (not his real name) might think that he is being ironic or some such nonsense. Who's to know?
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Eunoia by Christian Bök is listed as conceptual poetry. Apparently highly rated, it sounds highly pretentious to me, but Bok (not his real name) might..."
I write haiku, therefore limits placed on the writing process don't bother me as much as the years that he spent writing what is essentially bullshit. Beauty is truth, truth beauty after all.
I write haiku, therefore limits placed on the writing process don't bother me as much as the years that he spent writing what is essentially bullshit. Beauty is truth, truth beauty after all.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Finished Notes on Conceptualism. This critique suggests four possible ways to read the book, and I read it as aphorisms (option number 2), gaining what I could where I..."
"Some things are too important to be taken seriously" like the Bible and conceptual poetry.
"Some things are too important to be taken seriously" like the Bible and conceptual poetry.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Eunoia by Christian Bök is listed as conceptual poetry. Apparently highly rated, it sounds highly pretentious to me, but..."
I don't have a duty to any writer but myself.
I don't have a duty to any writer but myself.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Eunoia by Christian Bök is listed as conceptual poetry. Apparently highly rated, it sounds..."
The argument is moot anyway. None of the books suggested are available to me. I could probably get the Ezra Pound through my local library but I would rather kill myself than read a fascist.
The argument is moot anyway. None of the books suggested are available to me. I could probably get the Ezra Pound through my local library but I would rather kill myself than read a fascist.
I suggest that together we read an American classic William Carlos Williams' Pictures from Brueghel and Other Poems.
Another book that we could read together is The Best of Ogden Nash. Said to be unconventional, I know he's funny.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Another book that we could read together is The Best of Ogden Nash. Said to be unconventional, I know he's funny."
I don't think I could manage 465 pages of Ogden Na..."
Okay, William Carlos it is.
I don't think I could manage 465 pages of Ogden Na..."
Okay, William Carlos it is.
Gregory wrote: "Eunoia. It could cost me plenty for essentially shit."
I can get this book at a reasonable price, but is it worth getting?
I can get this book at a reasonable price, but is it worth getting?
Robyn wrote: "I've read through page 50. In tone and style it reminds me a little of 1001 Nights. It's fun and silly and quick. "E" is focused on Helen of Troy. Here's an excerpt:
Whenever Helen needs effervesc..."
Clever in a silly way.
Whenever Helen needs effervesc..."
Clever in a silly way.
Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "I've read through page 50. In tone and style it reminds me a little of 1001 Nights. It's fun and silly and quick. "E" is focused on Helen of Troy. Here's an excerpt:
Whenever Helen n..."
The concept is too silly for words, let alone money.
Whenever Helen n..."
The concept is too silly for words, let alone money.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "I've read through page 50. In tone and style it reminds me a little of 1001 Nights. It's fun and silly and quick. "E" is focused on Helen of Troy. Here..."
"Here's a good rule of thumb:
Too clever is dumb."
- Ogden Nash
I think that Bok is very clever, overly clever.
"Here's a good rule of thumb:
Too clever is dumb."
- Ogden Nash
I think that Bok is very clever, overly clever.
I am giving up on Ogden Nash. He's too old hat.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "I am giving up on Ogden Nash. He's too old hat."
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, but I find him cutesy."
Babies are cute, men are never cute.
Well, I'm not sure what you mean by that exactly, but I find him cutesy."
Babies are cute, men are never cute.
Robyn wrote: "RE: Pictures from Brueghel and Other Poems
My strategy is to assume each poem is meta-poetic, and with that in mind, they often seem much like the one about the wheelbarrow--a comment..."
I couldn't get into it. I couldn't see myself in it.
My strategy is to assume each poem is meta-poetic, and with that in mind, they often seem much like the one about the wheelbarrow--a comment..."
I couldn't get into it. I couldn't see myself in it.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Complete Minimal Poems by Aram Saroyan. I can't get it - too expensive."
Well, I'm still not done with WCW, so there's time to brainstorm. I feel like..."
I can't get the two books suggested from my library, and I have no suggestions of my own.
Well, I'm still not done with WCW, so there's time to brainstorm. I feel like..."
I can't get the two books suggested from my library, and I have no suggestions of my own.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Complete Minimal Poems by Aram Saroyan. I can't get it - too expensive."
Well, I'm still not done with WCW, so there's t..."
If I read rural romances, there'd be plenty to choose from.
Well, I'm still not done with WCW, so there's t..."
If I read rural romances, there'd be plenty to choose from.
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Complete Minimal Poems by Aram Saroyan. I can't get it - too expensive."
Well, I'm still n..."
We could give it a try, but why start a new thread?
Well, I'm still n..."
We could give it a try, but why start a new thread?
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Complete Minimal Poems by Aram Saroyan. I can't get it - too ..."
Go for it, Robyn, it sounds good.
Go for it, Robyn, it sounds good.
William Carlos, Robyn, how did you like him?
I feel that I may have misjudged him. I will give him another go.
Robyn wrote: "Do you spend time planning your reading - trying to create one or more courses of study? Or do you browse library shelves, used bookstores, etc. and read whatever comes your way?"
"The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry."
"The best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry."
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Do you spend time planning your reading - trying to create one or more courses of study? Or do you browse library shelves, used bookstores, etc. and read whatever come..."
Whatever takes my fancy, I pick. I'd like to read more children's books and poetry. I used to read just nonfiction books but I found that I lacked an essential grounding in the literary arts. I like all kinds of art, except music which tends to annoy me when I listen to it properly. Music seems so childish to me, and yet I like kids' books. haha
Whatever takes my fancy, I pick. I'd like to read more children's books and poetry. I used to read just nonfiction books but I found that I lacked an essential grounding in the literary arts. I like all kinds of art, except music which tends to annoy me when I listen to it properly. Music seems so childish to me, and yet I like kids' books. haha
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "and yet I like kids' books."
Picture books or chapter books? I loved Nikolajeva's From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature. I want to read [book:How Pict..."
My favourite book is Peter Pan.
Picture books or chapter books? I loved Nikolajeva's From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature. I want to read [book:How Pict..."
My favourite book is Peter Pan.
Gregory wrote: "Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "and yet I like kids' books."
Picture books or chapter books? I loved Nikolajeva's From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature. I want to read ..."
Also, I have just finished the latest book from Kate DiCamillo. Her style is simple but effective. I have read nearly all her books.
To your question to me about whether I like picture books or chapter books, both make me happy.
Picture books or chapter books? I loved Nikolajeva's From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature. I want to read ..."
Also, I have just finished the latest book from Kate DiCamillo. Her style is simple but effective. I have read nearly all her books.
To your question to me about whether I like picture books or chapter books, both make me happy.
I want to read The Essential Neruda: Selected Poems by Pablo Neruda, even though personally he was weird - a champagne socialist.
I have never read Neruda. He's probably just a sappy romantic.
The Essential Neruda: Selected Poems
by Pablo Neruda:
A Review
"You overflow the curvature of silence."
by Pablo Neruda:
A Review
"You overflow the curvature of silence."
Robyn wrote: "Gregory wrote: "The Essential Neruda: Selected Poems
by Pablo Neruda:
A Review
"You overflow the curvature of silence.""
Agh! I tried to go get that, and the library (a private college) said my a..."
Temperamental technology is best replaced with a hammer.
by Pablo Neruda:
A Review
"You overflow the curvature of silence.""
Agh! I tried to go get that, and the library (a private college) said my a..."
Temperamental technology is best replaced with a hammer.
Trust in love because there is nothing else to trust - read what you will.
Robyn wrote: "I am reading the Neruda book now. So much depression, which is nice, and you may hate this, but so much Buddhism. Even if Neruda didn't see himself as a Buddhist, enough of what he says is just wha..."
Compassion is not exclusive to Buddhism, but belief is a graveyard as Bukowski said, which is definitely Buddhist of a kind. Bukowski had a Buddhist funeral.
Alas, funerals are
only for the living
enduring.
Compassion is not exclusive to Buddhism, but belief is a graveyard as Bukowski said, which is definitely Buddhist of a kind. Bukowski had a Buddhist funeral.
Alas, funerals are
only for the living
enduring.
Experimental Poetry
Books mentioned in this topic
The Narrow Road to the Deep North and Other Travel Sketches (other topics)The Narrow Road to the Deep North and Other Travel Sketches (other topics)
The Essential Neruda: Selected Poems (other topics)
From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature (other topics)
From Mythic to Linear: Time in Children's Literature (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
Pablo Neruda (other topics)Kate DiCamillo (other topics)
Aram Saroyan (other topics)
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Aram Saroyan (other topics)
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