Baker Street Irregulars discussion

Trying to compile a list, either novels or short stories. So far, I have
The Last Sherlock Holmes Story, Michael Dibdin
The Whitechapel Horrors, Edward B. Hanna
Dust and Shadow, Lyndsay Faye
Whitechapel: The Final Stand of Sherlock Holmes, Bernard Schaffer
Sherlock Holmes and the Autumn of Terror, Randy Williams

Any others - not games or movies, just books or short stories- graphic novels are okay.

Sherlock Holmes and the Whitechapel Murders, by Mark Sohn. He posted this to the group when it came out under another subject heading.

So that's six, now. More Holmes vs JTR?

I just finished a book called "Sherlock Holmes and the Ripper of Whitechapel" by M. K. Wiseman. Apparently, it came out a few months ago.
I've read 3 of the ones Barbara suggested, and thought this was better than those. It's told in the first person by Holmes, and had an interesting sub plot involving Watson. There was an error that a lot of the reviewers on Amazon picked up on; i.e., Holmes' use of first names.
"Ripper Lit" is always a challenge because you don't know whether to leave Jack's ID unknown, choose from the established list of 100 or suspects or bring in someone new.

I didn't know until lately that "Murder By Decree" was a book first (I know the movie and thought it was just a variation the royal conspiracy theory.) The writers name was something like Weverka. There was also a book called "Sherlock Holmes and the Whitechapel Vampire" that came out in 2012.

Adding
"Sherlock Holmes and the Ripper of Whitechapel." by MK Wiseman
"A Knife in the Fog" by Bradley Harper (a Conan Doyle-Ripper book)
Also a stage play, "Jack the Ripper" by Gaston Merot and Louis Pericaud, supposedly the earliest matchup between Holmes & the Ripper.
"Lestrade and The Ripper" by MJ Trow

I saw a book titled "Sherlock Holmes Versus Jack the Ripper" as part of something called the Dime Novel Series reprint. Apparently, it was published many years ago in German, translated into Spanish and then into English. The author (or translator) is Joseph Lovece. I know nothing about it, but it's one more to add to the growing list of Holmes versus JTR.

I just read and reviewed a book I picked up titled "Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper," by Ellery Queen. This was apparently a novelization of the 1965 film "A Study in Terror." (The book was published in '66)
As a story, it was fair, and serious impaired IMHO by the insertion of present day chapters with Queen attempting to authenticate the manuscript he received (etc, etc - you know the drill)
But I gave high marks to the author's knack for getting Conan Doyle's prose style down. One of the few pastiches that did an excellent job of persuading the reader that it was a Doyle work.

I just saw a book called "Sherlock Holmes and the Whitechapel Vampire," by Dean Turnbloom, published by MX Publishing in '12 - MX does a lot of Sherlock books, including those anthologies I've been reading.
Got a few good reviews but one mentioned that it was written in the 3rd person and wasn't "canonical."

So the list now is:
The Last Sherlock Holmes Story, Michael Dibdin
The Whitechapel Horrors, Edward B. Hanna
Dust and Shadow, Lyndsay Faye
Whitechapel: The Final Stand of Sherlock Holmes, Bernard Schaffer
Sherlock Holmes and the Autumn of Terror, Randy Williams
Sherlock Holmes and the Whitechapel Murders, by Mark Sohn
Sherlock Holmes and the Ripper of Whitechapel by M.K. Wiseman.
A Knife in the Fog, by Bradley Harper
Jack the Ripper, by Gaston Merot and Louis Pericaud (stage play)
Lestrade and The Ripper" by MJ Trow
Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper, by Joseph Lovace
Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper, by Ellery Queen
Sherlock Holmes and the Whitechapel Vampire, Dean Turnbloom

I'm reading a book called "The Mammoth Book of Jack The Ripper Stories", an anthology of Ripper-related tales. One of them, called "A Simple Procedure," by Paul Freeman is a Holmes and Watson story. Quite eerie

I'd recommend A Knife in the Fog by Bradley Harper. It's a little different-- it teams Conan Doyle and his mentor, Dr. Joseph Bell, against the Ripper. Very satisfying.

sounds good

The Mycroft Memoranda, in spite of its title, is a Holmes/Ripper story.

i am on my second sherlock holmes by author james lovegrove very good

I looked for The Mycroft Memoranda - apparently it was published in the '80s and you can get a new or used hardcover. Thanks Johanna.
Did Lovegrove publish a Holmes & Ripper book? I read (and reviewed) a couple of his books, and I know he's written a lot of Holmes novels, but I was really disappointed with The Beast of the Stapletons. There were so many errors that made it seem like he wasn't really familiar with HOUN.

i liked the beast of the stapletons and now i am reading his the 3 winter terrors he writes as good as doyle!

There is an author named Carole Nelson Douglas who wrote several mysteries featuring Irene Adler and Sherlock Holmes. I haven't read them all and didn't realize that "Castle Rouge" was a Ripper novel. I will have to check it out.

let us know

I just came upon another one - who knew there was so much Holmes vs Jack fiction! It's called "Murder In Whitechapel: The Adventure of the Post-Mortem Knife" by D. A. Joy.

I see that MX Publishing is doing another Holmes and the Ripper novel. I think its called "The Hunt for Jack the Ripper."

I've found quite a few books called "The Hunt for Jack the Ripper" but none of them are more recent than '21 - also something called "Jack the Ripper - Demon Hunter" but I don't think it's a Holmes book.

Patrick wrote: "let us know"

Apparently Castle Rouge is a follow up book to "Chapel Noir" which I just finished. Irene Adler Norton, living in France is called in to interpret for a young woman who comes upon a Ripper-like slaughter with the implication that the Ripper has fled to the continent. Chapel Noir is sort of open ended, and Castle Rouge - haven't got read it - is the conclusion.
The writing was very good, atmospheric. It was written about 20 years ago and a lot better than many of the more recent Holmes pastiche novels, but the story was implausible and the plotting wasn't really coherent.

Barbara wrote: "So the list now is:
The Last Sherlock Holmes Story, Michael Dibdin
The Whitechapel Horrors, Edward B. Hanna
Dust and Shadow, Lyndsay Faye
Whitechapel: The Final Stand of Sherlock Holmes, Bernar..."

I have just finished Dust & Shadows by Lindsey Faye. A much better effort at a Ripper vs Holmes yarn, written in the true style of A C Doyle - so much better than the effort by Michael Dibdin - that was absolute twaddle.

I didn't like the end of the Dibdin book, but I did like the writing overall. I felt about the Faye book the way I felt about another Ripper novel (not Holmes) by Laura Rowland - I think it was called "The Ripper's Shadow" - that it was fairly involving, but fell apart at the end.

IMHO the Dibdin offering started well then fell apart into a bit of an Eton mess, whereas the Faye offering was much better, at least it kept the content within the confines of the canon. I'm not familiar with The Rippers Shadow, but if I can get hold of a copy I will read it. The synopsis of The Rippers Shadow reminds me of a comedy drama by the BBC (with Billy Connolly) called Gentlemen's Relish - not Ripper related but what could be termed as Edwardian porn photography as in the novel in question.

Question open to all.

According to various online chronological lists of the ACD canon stories SH was solving 5 cases in 1888 they were as follows:
March Scandal in Bohemia
April Speckled Band
April Copper Beeches
July Naval Treaty
July Second Stain
So, Sherlock has no more cases listed for the rest of the year, and, as the Rippers first victim was dated as 7th August (*note this is alleged to be Watson's birthday !) , and there is no ACD canon tie in, does this mean that Sherlock was not in London ? Was he on a mission abroad for Mycroft ?, or in another country that he missed all the action ? Any speculations ?

I think it depends on which chronologist you follow. There were about 10 of them. William Baring Gould is disputed by some but his is the most famous and he puts only 4 cases in '88 and three of them are in September and Finlay-Christ puts his 3 '88 cases in late August, late Sept and early October. I would have to dig up the other ones to see where they line up.

I read this question of where was SH (when Jack the Ripper was in action) somewhere online some time ago which stated that Sherlock took just short of a year of 1888-9, which peaked my interest. I used the list from 2 sources (at random) and found (after a quick check in my own copy of the canon) that they seemed to be correct. There are 19 or 20 that are undated and are open to question as to where they fit into the timeline, which are not included.

I'm sure some author could write something about that lost 11 months (not as Dibden did in The Last SH Story) but something intelligent and in keeping with the canon. It was a significant time period as 1888 was the year of the 3 Emperors/Kaisers of Germany - turmoil for foreign politics in Europe and the USA.

I just saw something about another Holmes/Ripper book out this month called "Sherlock Holmes and the Last Victim of Jack the Ripper". the author is Peter Macek.