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Who or what are aliens? Are ETs real, fictional, interdimensional beings, paranormal apparitions, AI robots, or "all of the above"??


Hey, those McNuggets could be very tasty for ETs...And McDonalds' advertising possibly extends out into the Universe to galaxies far, far away...


If Majestic 12 documents are faked, smart researchers like Dolan have said they could probably have only been faked by someone on the inside of intelligence agencies, not some random hoaxer, as the level of specific and detailed information in those documents in very precise and accurate. Therefore, that would still make the Majestic 12 documents important to the field of UFO research as they indicate a sophisticated disninformation campaign is going on.
And sorry, I have no idea what MUFON is.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.” –Ben Rich, former senior engineer in Lockheed Martin and former Director of Lockheed’s advanced aerospace technology division Skunk Works.

The full name is Mutual UFO Network

I also have a pet theory that humans produced an advanced technological society prior to the last ice age. Real evidence is lacking but there are a lot of clues that point to it - especially artifacts produced in Egypt that are best explained by advanced machining.
Anatomically modern humans have been around for at least 200,000 years with brains that worked as well as ours do. Is it really logical to assume they spent 190,000 of those years just hunting and gathering?
So given that, I wonder if some group of humans developed some technology and are still around somehow. It could be something banal like space travel technology or something weirder.

We can look back on the scientific ideas, or lack thereof, of people long ago and consider how silly and vain people were to think you could fall off the edge of the Earth, to think the Earth was the center of the physical Universe, to think flying machines were impossible or that it was pure fantasy to believe technologies like telescopes could allow you to look into magical other-worlds.
Yet this same arrogance and vanity remains within us even today, for although we admit we are not the center of the Universe, many still loudly proclaim, "We are the only intelligence in the Universe!"
Is not this idea just a repeat of the same mistake, the same self-importance, of the people in the past?
We like to think our current civilization is the wisest, most intelligent out of all civilizations which have come before and any which may yet exist, but can we be so absolutely certain of this?
Sure, we are masters of the automobile, computer experts and rocket scientists, but is this really the only successful path, the only productive knowledge which can be known by a civilization? Can we be so certain there is no other, easier, better, smarter way or more efficient way to live upon this world and perhaps even to travel amongst the stars to other worlds?
To those interested in traveling to other worlds, especially to other stars, it is painfully clear rocket technology cannot be the way we will bridge these vast distances.
One must consider with all seriousness, if rocket technology does not enable us to master gravity, then the possibility must exist that there is some other technology, some other science which we have yet to discover. A new science which puts these far off worlds within reach and could put our own world, in reach of other civilizations besides our own.
One can argue such conjecture is nonsense and better applied to a work of science fiction. However, as you will read in this book by James & Lance Morcan, many prominent, highly educated, well regarded and, I might add, completely sane individuals have been quoted affirming “such an advanced new science does exist” and that “there is a new technology which can cause great, positive changes and prosperity upon our planet for all people”. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, these renowned individuals also claim, “We are not alone in the Universe”.
When such influential and respected people make such extraordinary claims, should we so quickly dismiss such ideas?
Do we wish to remain safe at home so we do not fall off the edge of the world, or do we have the courage and humility to seriously consider the precious and valuable glimpse into our own possible future that these pioneering minds are putting before us?

I have looked at the site and a lot of interesting information. Check out FAQ section
Site is http://www.specialoperationsmanual.com/

The full name is Mutual UFO Network"
I've heard of it mostly from Dr. Karla Turners old videos - thanks for the link. That reminds me-- Karla Turner would be another mysterious death, don't you think? Has anyone else here read her books? Very interesting stuff in those books.

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/about-dr-...

Turner had some strong criticisms of the New Age movement, and this book was supposed be a part of that critique. Like most things in this field, I think the movement started as an honest spiritual movement, but then became corrupted and now puts out a completely misguided message just like our mainstream religions do.
Masquerade of Angels
As for your initial question/topic: I do not know if these beings are from other planets or other dimensions. I do believe that there are creatures that reside within the realm of Earth, just outside our perception, and are responsible for some of the spiritual abduction encounters. This is actually my current focus in my new project.
There is so much disinformation out there from the government, debunkers, confused experiencers, and even from
the beings themselves, that one can find "evidence" to prove almost any theory at this point. However, what I am pretty certain of is that prior to Sumeria, there was an advanced civilization on this planet that was somehow destroyed (thanks to the research of people like Michael Cremo). I believe that some of the contacts we are experiencing may be from the descendants of those civilizations.
Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race


"Knowing" seems a strong word to use in this context Dennis. Is there not the faintest smidgeon of doubt at your end or are you saying you know this for a fact?

Descriptions of aliens tend to resemble things we have in out subconscious. People on DMT have seen beings that look remarkably like Grays. Close encounters resemble visitations by angels, demons, the wee folk, and other mythical beings. Jacques Vallee pointed out that the phenomenon stays the same but the form seems to be culturally influenced. There's allegedly a quasi-governmental think-tank informally called the Collins Elite that believes aliens are demons that feed on human souls. It seems clear to me that aliens are just another type of mythical creature, good or bad.
I don't yet have a model that fits any known science, not even the most speculative. I don't think they are from a parallel universe or live in the curled up dimensions of Calabi-Yau space. I also think this plane or planes is connected somehow with Sheldrake's morphogenic fields.
I'm just sharing the current state of my thinking. My ideas are largely unformed but I'm hoping to have more to offer some day.

I'm quite certain you're onto something, Jim.

Since they can interact with matter, that makes it even harder to explain. If they didn't clearly do that - e.g. landing/scorch marks, physical symptoms in experiencers, rotten egg smells - I would favor a psychological explanation. For a long time I was thinking hallucination cause by some electromagnetic anomalies but I don't think that really fits the data.
Alternately, I haven't entirely abandoned the tulpa idea. Perhaps we have collectively created aliens and given them some sort of existence without consciously meaning to.

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So we thought of them for so long and so intensely that they became real? Like a thought manifestation?


But as Jim also pointed out, they do leave physical traces in some victims...
Maybe this relates to the world being in a type of matrix and that the matrix adapts to fit your beliefs...
But then again, why do some aliens visit non-believers or skeptics?

And remember 70% of the universe is dark energy. We know so little as humans.
Hm, I'm in a Saturday afternoon rainy day musing mood!

there are theories that the rest of the universe is not as dense or physical...and that other lifeforms out in space are therefore interdimensional




Yep. Here 'tis... (907) 822 5497...Oh, no. Wait... Sorry...that's HAARP's number.


How did Jacques Vallee suggest we hack it, Jim?
Also, what did you think of the whole supposedly true story behind the Mothman Prophecies?



Your book appears honest and intelligent, with a new take from the widespread fanciful claims. It sounds like one for the library.
Speech, as opposed to communication common to all life forms, is unique to humans, and we have no record of it more than some 6,000 years; the same applies with recorded history per se. I cannot accept 60K Aboriginals in Australia because of the population anomaly: it should be in the trillions.
What do you think about Adam being the oldest recorded 'name' of a speech endowed human, and its mystery of aligning so exactingly with the Hebrew calendar [5775 years]?
I discarded the thought that speech is just an extension of other forms of communications because of its utter uniqueness: a ratio of 1 to some trillions of communication modes seen throughout this planet, and spanning many millions of years. Yet, if it came from outside, we should have at least seen some received imprints; if this has been embedded somehow in our dna than we cannot prove anything. Speech is still the greatest anomaly/mystery for evolutionists.
The first recorded speech is in Genesis, which posits the first words spoken in the universe, very appropriately as 'LET THERE BE LIGHT'; light is also the first primordial product. The first recorded voice before 3 million people is at Sinai, in the Egyptian language of 'I am" ['Ano Chi'] because Egypt spoke no Hebrew - then this continues in the Hebrew, a new writing and also the first alphabetical book. Such factors are only recorded writ, but fully un-provable, yet they show a cadence of underlying mystery by virtue of occurring first and impacting humanity as no other. Is speech a graduation of evolution on this planet - or something else?


As for hacking the alien control system, I think Vallee wanted us to try to react differently than how we would be expected to react. That might include ignoring events that seem created to draw attention and seeing where that leads. That would just be one example.

Speech is a mystery and cannot be explained by science.

Are you saying Adam is the first recorded name because it's the first name in the bible?

Yes, I am saying Adam is the first recorded word because it is 'recorded' and validated. But I am not saying so for any theological reasoning. I lose if someone can produce an earlier recorded name. Otherwise, yes I do find it mysterious that such a record also aligns with the Hebrew calendar so exactingly - even to the day of the year.


Yes, the Hebrew Bible is some 3,000 years, but its narratives retrospectively records a period of 5775 years. Harappa, like India, is an older nation; the Hebrews are a late comer in the ancient scheme.
However, my research and reasoning goes against the tide, I hold that the Hebrew, not the Sumerian or Phoenician, is the first alphabetical book. I lose only when someone produces an older equivalent of the Hebrew Bible - with continuing alphabetical books every 50-100 years. That's a most reasonable ask, considering the Hebrews were in constant exile and dispersal.
The Hebrew is a mystery. It emerged suddenly and in an already advanced state of superb literature. We have no Hebrew writings before the 5 books of Moses and no nation spoke this language. How can the first issue of any writing be its most advanced?
HEBREW CALENDAR. The oldest active calendar, accounting its initiation from the Birthday of Adam and spans over 5,700 years.
Hebrew Was First and is the Oldest Language in Continuous Use. - [Dr. David Livingston, Ancient Days, Hebrew].
Greek Writers have proposed the Hebrew as the inventors of the alphabet / The early Hebrew alphabet, the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet could have been the source behind the Phoenician alphabet; since many agree that the Proto-Canaanite alphabet preceded the Phoenician, which was the source behind the Greek alphabet which is the source behind the alphabets in the Western world. / From the time of the Exodus, Moses in all likelihood recorded the Torah, in the Paleo-Hebrew script; this script was nearly identical with the Early Phoenician script. — [Truthnet Org. Origins of the Bible, 4. How was the Bible written?].
Historical Deception. It is truly amazing to think that, in the academic world of the past 150 years, the almost contradictory term of "Phoenician alphabet" has been established, which, in reality refers to a type of writing that has nothing to do with an alphabet. It is even more unbelievable to think that the scientific dogma that Greek came from Phoenician has been enforced. [Phoenician "Alphabet": An Historical Deception Republished from the Athenian newspaper Apogevmatini, 21 November 1999 (pages 42-43).
Encyclopaedia Britannica continues regarding Hebrew as the origin of today's alphabets. — [How was the Bible Written, Origins of the Bible]

While there is still some dispute about it, the oldest known writing system is from the Danube Valley civilization, also known as the Vinca culture. The symbols they used could have influenced the Phoenician alphabet, directly or indirectly.
I take it you regard the bible as literally a historical document, that it's contents are historical facts. If you, you are entitled to your beliefs but that point of view hasn't been in line with mainstream history for over 100 years.

While there is still some dispute about it, the..."
There is both here. Definitely, the Hebrew Bible has un-provable stuff like miracles, while it also is assuredly the most historically validated scripture among all others. Where else can we see a 3,000 year historical figure like David validated by another nation [Tel Dan relic], or a 3,400 year Egyptian Stella acknowledging the Hebrews as being in Egypt 3,400 years ago [The Amarna Letters]? To date, one million relics world-wide verify verses in the Hebrew Bible.
From a science POV, the same applies. Here is also the first separation of Medicine from the occultism with the ID & treatment of incurable diseases like leprosy. Much new stuff was introduced here and are active today.

It has prompted the following comments from members of that group:
1. "It seems to me that we may have both nuts and bolts physical UFOs and the home grown nature spirits that have appeared to most cultures over the ages. Jacques Valle and Keel champion this notion."
2. "We are heading to a direction that we can live forever. Imagine our minds transferring to synthetic bodies. Live 5000 years. Why not 50,000. Our previous earth inhabits could have been here billions of years ago. Or from some where else. Bottom line there is to much evidence that man has been here a long time."
3. "I started a discussion about this in a Christian group, after over 200 comments it was eventually decided they were not of good intent and may even be demons sent to confuse many of the human race, eventually even leading up to one day claiming they made us on Earth or that we're actually of the same race."

That we cannot go past the final threshold appears to say there is no pre-universe, parallel universe or infinity, otherwise we would have such imprints. It all points to a designed, intentional barring. Consider a door we cannot even open, then ask why is it so?

https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8492...

James Morcan wrote: "Laura Eisenhower, great-granddaughter of President Eisenhower, gives talk about UFOs & Ancient Aliens:
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/8492......"
Stan, what's your opinion about the unusual giant skeletons unearthed in burial mounds near Lake Delavan, Wisconsin in 1912?. There were some fascinating newspaper articles on this as well but the whole story was covered up instantly by the authorities. Could these be alien skeletons ?
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One theory I'd never heard before is included in the Afterword written by Dr. Takaaki Musha (Director of the Advanced-Science Technology Research Organization and former senior research scientist at the Technical Research and Development Institute of the Ministry of Defense, Japan) of our new book ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION: Human or Alien Technologies?:
Thomas Valone’s 1993 book, Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology, quotes antigravity researcher Dr. Paul LaViolette as saying electrogravitic technology was first developed under a US Air Force black project in 1954. Valone’s book also alleges that the top-secret technology has since been used in the B-2 stealth bomber to provide an exotic auxiliary mode of propulsion.
Once I had a chance to read Colonel Philip J. Corso’s The Day After Roswell, which rates a mention in this book, I was astonished to learn the Roswell crashed UFO was, according to the colonel, propelled by a technology that sounded remarkably similar to the electrogravitic system developed by the US Air Force.
What could be behind this apparent coincidence? In Antigravity Propulsion, James & Lance Morcan have pointed out the possible connection between the Nazis, Japan and the Roswell UFO crash.
There have been little-known but persistent rumors that the Nazis obtained advanced technologies from extraterrestrial entities or descendants of a highly advanced civilization that existed in prehistoric times. Before and during World War Two, there were said to be exchanges of information between the Nazis and the Japanese Government relating to exotic sciences and technologies from other (ancient) civilizations.
Also during this same period, it is known that the Nazis spent a large amount of time, resources and manpower on their mission to discover the origins of the Aryan race. They made several expeditions to Tibet and came to the conclusion that Tibetans were ancestors of the Aryans. The Nazis therefore considered it acceptable to view the Tibetans as an intermediary race between the Germans and the Japanese.
Perhaps in the Tibetan culture the Nazis also uncovered advanced knowledge which allowed them to develop their highly evolved sciences.
I was once informed by an American military contact who worked for a period at an Air Force base in the US that the beings of crashed UFO’s had a human-like stature similar to Asian people (especially Japanese), but when anatomical dissections were made they were found to have a highly developed endocrine system not previously seen before.
Thus, I suppose, there is a possibility that what we call aliens are actually human beings evolved from the common ancestors of our human race. They might have been the ones the Nazis wanted to contact during their Tibetan expeditions and may have also been a crucial component in the Third Reich’s bid to gain superior technologies.
Probably, these ancient human/alien beings are still working in Earth’s neighborhood as well as in our Solar System, using their advanced technologies. Hence, I suspect, the main purpose of suppressing certain aspects of the Apollo Moon missions and NASA’s other explorations was to investigate these other beings’ activities in Outer Space.
After the Roswell crash, it is possible some of these ancient beings’ advanced technologies were transferred to US military forces as per the reverse engineering theory covered in this book.
However, for the time being at least, the origins of these technologies still remain a mystery waiting to be solved.