Star Wars Legends Fan Group discussion

Any other Jedi Apprentice fans out there? If so what did you think of books 14, 15 and 16?

I love the series. What I enjoy the most is the overall story and Obi-Wan's and Qui-Gon's relationship - problematic as it is.

This is from my review of book 14:

It's quite astonishing that Obi-Wan turned out to be such an outstanding Jedi with the kind of teacher/mentor Qui-Gon is pictured to be in this series.

I wonder what would have happened if (view spoiler)[Tahl wasn't abducted. Would she and Qui-Gon have left the Order? I cannot imagine them taking Anakin's route of lies and deception (hide spoiler)]

I both love and hate books 14, 15, and 16. I hated how Tahl and Qui-Gon felt so out of character to make a narrative work that honestly had little pay off and ruined Tahl. At least it was memorable, even if it's for being bad.

I don't think that Qui-Gon was fleshed out enough in the movie to judge whether he's OOC in this series. What I liked about Jude Watson's characterization of him is she made him human.
Her Qui-Gon is flawed and all the more real and sympathetic for that.
Sometimes I get frustrated when fans idolize him. I've read so many times how Anakin would have never fallen if only Qui-Gon was alive. I just don't know...

Can you imagine Anakin confronted with the Melida/Daan situation and Qui-Gon's "handling" of it?

What do you think of the series as a whole?

P.S. I'm in the middle of re-reading the series, I'll make sure to pay more attention to Tahl's characterization in the 14-16 arc.

I meant Qui-Gon felt out of character for the series of books in that arc. I hated the forced romance between he and Tahl. Overall I loved the series. I reread it and actually just finished some of the books for the first time this year. When I was a kid reading these books I got so mad at books 14 through 16 that I stopped reading them. my reviews of all of the books are on Goodreads.

I can try and link them into this thread at some point if you like.

Anakin would go ballistic on Melida/Daan. I love Qui-Gon, flaws and all.

Rebecca wrote: "Anakin would go ballistic on Melida/Daan. I love Qui-Gon, flaws and all."

Exactly. I think that would have damaged their relationship maybe beyond repair. And I love Qui-Gon, too, ... because of his flaws.

Rebecca wrote: "I can try and link them into this thread at some point if you like."

Please do. :)

Rebecca wrote: "I hated the forced romance between he and Tahl. "

I don't know. People do stupid things when they're in love. In retrospect it kinda explains Qui-Gon's behavior in The Defenders of the Dead.

I am stuck on the fact that Qui-Gon left a 13/14 year-old who was put under his care in a war zone and on top of that he took away his weapon?! I know Obi-Wan was way out of line but if adults abandoned their teens (to die) every time they do something stupid and rebellious the human race would go extinct.
Not to mention the prisons would be full of teachers and parents. ;)

Have you read the comic book prequel to The Jedi Apprentice? It's on my TBR. I plan to read it next year.

Star Wars: Jedi, Volume 1: The Dark Side by Scott Allie

Not yet, but I want to if I can find a copy.

Here are my reviews or at least links to the book where you can look up my reviews of books 14, 15, and 16.The Ties That BindThe Death of HopeThe Call to Vengeance
This linked to the books. I'm not sure how to link my specific reviews of the books.

Your friends see your reviews when they go to the book page. You can add me if you want. Or not. It's up to you. I don't have many virtual friends - I usually befriend people I communicate often with in my groups. I accumulated 34 GR friends in the span of 9 years, so not too many.

I think all my reviews are public, so you should be able to find them.

Alright. I'll check them out when I have time. We're trying to work out some additions to the group with Akindle. If you have any ideas we'd be glad to hear them. I would love to hear some honest opinions, even harsh ones. Those are the best when you want to improve something.

Just an interesting bit I found about Melida/Daan storyline in the interview with Jude Watson:

"In Japan, the relationship between master and apprentice is strict and apprentices are not allowed to make any objections to their masters. But in JA, Obi-Wan sometimes does not respect Qui-Gon's direction. With the background of Japanese master and apprentice relationships, this lack of respect is very unusual for us. What image do you see for the relationship between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan?

JW: The Master-Apprentice relationship in the Jedi order is meant to be unique. One of the goals of the Master is to teach his or her Padawan independence. Many Jedi Knights operate independently and must be on their own for long periods of time. It is important that when Obi-Wan disagrees with Qui-Gon it must not be seen as a sign of disrespect. The process of disagreeing with the Master is seen as part of the education process and is encouraged. Outright disobedience, of course, is not. This is why when Obi-Wan decides to stay on Melida/Daan, Qui-Gon sees it as a violation of trust. The Jedi students are taught to trust their instincts, but it is also important that they realize that they need guidance to understand and interpret their instincts. Obi-Wan acts on his heart's impulse. He does come to regret his decision, and it is up to the reader to decide if he was wrong or right, or if there was a better way to handle it. Obi-Wan is not perfect, and must come to better understand his place in the world and his responsibilities as a Jedi. That is what the Jedi Apprentice series is all about."

source: http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/...

That is really neat!