Ersatz TLS discussion

I wonder if this topic would be useful for folks getting their heads round the site?

My question, I tried to send a message to a friend, and, when I posted it, it seemed as if it had posted twice. When I deleted one it seems to have deleted the whole conversation.

Any Ideas? Living up to my name again I am afraid.

giveusaclue wrote: "I wonder if this topic would be useful for folks getting their heads round the site?

My question, I tried to send a message to a friend, and, when I posted it, it seemed as if it had posted twice...."

More funky GR interface, I'm afraid. It didn't post twice, it simply displayed twice.

Did you have other messages, or was this your first. If you had others, you should see them if you go back into the message screen.

Yes, as LL says, it's a weird interface whereby the latest comment is reproduced as the top.

The person you send this to might still have received this in their email (depending on their settings), so they should check there. Rescinding it on GR will not make it disappear from their email inbox, I wouldn't think this possible... so there's hope it's not all lost!

Lljones wrote: "giveusaclue wrote: "I wonder if this topic would be useful for folks getting their heads round the site?

My question, I tried to send a message to a friend, and, when I posted it, it seemed as if ..."


Thanks Lisa, yes it has only posted once, but having deleted one thinking it had posted twice, it then deleted the previous message we had sent to one another, so beware folks

Gladarvor wrote: "Yes, as LL says, it's a weird interface whereby the latest comment is reproduced as the top.

The person you send this to might still have received this in their email (depending on their settings..."

In that case they may well have three almost identical messages. Sorry MK

giveusaclue wrote: "it then deleted the previous message we had sent to one another, so beware folks"

You might have used the 'select all' check box before deleting for that to have occurred.

In any case, deleted messages are placed in 'Trash', and remain there for 30 days, so you should be able to retrieve them.

Also, the deleted message remains in MK's 'Sent' folder.

giveusaclue wrote: "I wonder if this topic would be useful for folks getting their heads round the site?

My question, I tried to send a message to a friend, and, when I posted it, it seemed as if it had posted twice...."

I afraid I can't help, I find GR fiddly as well- just wanted you to know that your'e not alone..

Oops! Stray apostrophe :(

Lljones wrote: "giveusaclue wrote: "it then deleted the previous message we had sent to one another, so beware folks"

You might have used the 'select all' check box before deleting for that to have occurred.

In ..."

Can't see anything in trash, just a couple of messages to other friends

Greenfairy wrote: "Oops! Stray apostrophe :("

Two advantages of being here (for me) are 1. the benevolent moderation (although I'd still like to know for sure that it's LeatherCol who removed his pic, not something that was prompted by a flag!) and 2. the fact that you can edit your posts (so that stray apostrophe).

I'd still give it up in a heartbeat to go back to the G's TLS.

Gladarvor wrote: "Greenfairy wrote: "Oops! Stray apostrophe :("

Two advantages of being here (for me) are 1. the benevolent moderation (although I'd still like to know for sure that it's LeatherCol who removed his ..."

Yes, it is nice to be able to correct one's fat finger typos. I added my two penn'orth and emailed the Grun to complain, especially pointing out how insensitive it is at this particular tiime.

Gladarvor wrote: "Greenfairy wrote: "Oops! Stray apostrophe :("

Two advantages of being here (for me) are 1. the benevolent moderation (although I'd still like to know for sure that it's LeatherCol who removed his ..."

As would we all, I'm sure..

Gladarvor wrote: "Greenfairy wrote: "Oops! Stray apostrophe :("

Two advantages of being here (for me) are 1. the benevolent moderation (although I'd still like to know for sure that it's LeatherCol who removed his ..."

LeatherCol confirmed somewhere in this labyrinth that he removed the pic himself... forget the reason... you should be able to track it down.

I'm a bit mystified by the use of personal messaging.

Gladarvor has sent me a couple within GR, to which I have responded... presumably, these are not visible to everyone - or are they?

She also sent one which arrived by email, but for some reason I was totally unable to reply within my email system, getting a message that my comment had been undeliverable. Baffling.

Disappearing comments?
2 comments under photos seem to have vanished - one was under my first war graves photo (don't remember who posted it) and the other is one I posted under giveusaclue's lovely photo of St Chad's Water Wilne.

scarletnoir wrote: "Gladarvor has sent me a couple within GR, to which I have responded... presumably, these are not visible to everyone - or are they? She also sent one which arrived by email, but for some reason I was totally unable to reply within my email system..."

They're not visible to anyone but you and me. Whether they also arrive in your email inbox depends on how you have configured your settings (in your profile, at the third Emails tab).

I have asked for my email not to be shared, so the only way people who are my GR friends can contact me is from the GR interface (a bit like ebay if you're used to that).

(And yes, thanks, I've seen LC's reply elsewhere!)

Gladarvor wrote: "scarletnoir wrote: "Gladarvor has sent me a couple within GR, to which I have responded... presumably, these are not visible to everyone - or are they? She also sent one which arrived by email, but..."

Thanks for that - I was puzzled that you could email me, but not the other way around. I have no problem with that... everyone has to come to their own judgement about security, etc.

Gpfr wrote: "Disappearing comments?
2 comments under photos seem to have vanished - one was under my first war graves photo (don't remember who posted it) and the other is one I posted under giveusaclue's lovel..."

Don't know what to tell you, Gpfr. Justine and I (the mods of this group) do not have the ability to delete posts on the Photos page, so it was either an interface glitch or they were removed by the GR system moderators. I'll post a question to the Moderators Group, see if I can find an explanation.

Gpfr wrote: "Disappearing comments?
2 comments under photos seem to have vanished - one was under my first war graves photo (don't remember who posted it) and the other is one I posted under giveusaclue's lovel..."

Funnily enough, I got an email telling me of your first comment which appeared by now it has gone. I've tried posting one to see what happens!
Just checked and our posts are showing on my phone but not on the laptop. Odder and odder.

Hello everyone, this thread is a good idea. I don't need help as such, but I just want to let you know that I am still trying to settle in and will probably need some time to find out how this works, what friend and follow status imply exactly, etc. I am grateful for all the info you posted on this already.

The comments under photos disappear mostly, a few stay. Your own comments are there somewhere because they can be seen if you click on comments under your profile . This just started happening today.
I have not been able to sort it out and will be very glad for any help that you can find Thanks

Re photos
I suspect that we have reached our limit and some of the earlier ones need to be taken off now.
Maybe we need to set a time limit, say a week.
What do you think?
I have taken down my early ones. It seems that we have a limit on the number we may put up, looks to be 25/30 before comments disappear.

another suggestion; clear all photos each Monday so that we have fresh ones each week. We could have a main 'photos of the week ' general theme.

CCCubbon wrote: "another suggestion; clear all photos each Monday so that we have fresh ones each week. We could have a main 'photos of the week ' general theme."

That sounds a good idea to me.

Gpfr wrote: "CCCubbon wrote: "another suggestion; clear all photos each Monday so that we have fresh ones each week. We could have a main 'photos of the week ' general theme."

That sounds a good idea to me."

Is there someone who'd be willing to take charge of that task?

I could do it for a while but am more than happy to let someone else. It depends if everyone is agreeable to the change each week and members will suggest topics.
This first time it was Cathedrals generally, they evolved!

Re: deleting photos...

Photo posters can only delete their own photos; only Moderators have ability to delete globally.

Let me work with the Moderators support group to get a better idea what the limitations are. I'll get back to you all.

Lljones wrote: "Let me work with the Moderators support group to get a better idea what the..."

Ok, I've heard back from the support team...

There are NO limitations to the size or number of photos allowed, or how long they remain in place.

Here are the ways photos can be removed:

--Members can delete their own posts.
--Group moderators (moi and Justine) can delete photos (we haven't).
--Any Ersatzer can flag a photo for inappropriate content, and the invisible GR moderation team would then remove it. (Doubt that's the case here...)
--Global GR system can remove photos that violate copyright rules. This is most likely what we're dealing with here. Folks posting their own photos would not encounter this, but photos posted from other web sites might be copyrighted and thus removed.

Questions?

i'm losing track of this Ersatz TLS..its a shame the layout and format doesnt mirror the Guardian but i guess this is a lower budget site

would have been interesting to see if we could have created a TLS via wordpress that was a Guardian TLS copy

I'm just basically sticking to the "What We are Reading" blog, without upticks you cant see who is reading (not commenting) your pieces and most of mine seem to just drop into a sea of other comments

Lljones wrote: "Re: deleting photos...

Photo posters can only delete their own photos; only Moderators have ability to delete globally.

Let me work with the Moderators support group to get a better idea what the..."
This was simply a possible solution to the disappearing comments on photos as once a certain number is reached comments do not appear. If there is no limit why does this happen and what can I do to see the comments again?

CCC, are you saying that comments attached to a photo disappeared, but the photo remains? If so, can you tell me which photo you're talking about?

It has happened to most of them but not all. See above comment from Mach and g.. Itseems quite random. The comments were originally under a photo and there could be a thread. Now, if I post a comment it disappears but if I click on comments under my profile I can see them. Old, earlier comments disappeared too from various posters.
I looked up on the web and found reference to a size limit in that things go wrong once a group’s limit is reached and a figure of 25 was recorded. All was fine until we reached page 2. I have looked in settings but cannot find any relevance and have tried help without success.

CCCubbon wrote: "It has happened to most of them but not all. See above comment from Mach and g.. Itseems quite random. The comments were originally under a photo and there could be a thread. Now, if I post a comme..."

Can you give me a specific example: The name of the photo, a few exact words from a comment you can see in your comments under your profile but not attached to the photo?

Again, I'll take this up with the Moderator's Support group.

AB76 wrote: "i'm losing track of this Ersatz TLS..its a shame the layout and format doesnt mirror the Guardian but i guess this is a lower budget site

would have been interesting to see if we could have create..."

I think for book-related posts, the main 'What are we reading?' thread is the most useful. Maybe we can try to get into the habit of replying to a post with just a word or two, like 'Interesting' or 'Like this'. I always found responses more heartening than upticks, which sometimes felt a little too much like a popularity contest. They can be kind of lazy as well. It will take a while to get used to GR, but - at least for me - it remains a useful place for learning about books I might otherwise have missed.

Give usaclue’s photo of St Chads Lake.
The first comment that I posted was

On giveusaclue's photo. Nov 07, 2020 04:36AM
3956526 Reminds me of
O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The sedge has withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.

Many such lakes around here, too.

It disappeared.
I tried again
Repeating the last line but that is not there either but both are under my profile on comments.
Also Mach and I were having a discussion about an old glass dropper dating from c.200-400 AD mostly under my since deleted photoo of my Stone Age axe. Half of the comments were there but none of the later ones. I picked them up via email notifications . Many other examples I can give.
I have deleted all my photos.

CCCubbon wrote: "I have deleted all my photos...."

That's unfortunate, CCC. The missing comment no longer appears in your profile comments. Neither I nor GR Support can troubleshoot without an example.

I am assured by GR Support that this is not related to a size limit, but possibly a bug. I have seen other Groups that have hundreds of photos and comments.

Let's wait and see if the problem shows up again. Feel free to add photos and to add comments. If anyone discovers that a comment has disappeared, send me the name of the photo, the name of the poster, and a sentence or two of the text of the comment, and I will take it to GR Support for help.

Lljones wrote: "CCCubbon wrote: "I have deleted all my photos...."

That's unfortunate, CCC. The missing comment no longer appears in your profile comments. Neither I nor GR Support can troubleshoot without an example."

In the last message CCC posted, there is an example that is not related to her pictures:

Giveusaclue’s photo of St Chads Lake.
The first comment that I posted was

On giveusaclue's photo. Nov 07, 2020 04:36AM
3956526 Reminds me of
O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The sedge has withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.
Many such lakes around here, too.

It disappeared.

As I started this off with the photo of Lincoln Cathedral I wanted to comment on subsequent photos in a kind of welcoming way. Some on Page 1 disappeared but are back this evening but none of the ones from page 2.
I wasn’t the only person to have this problem.
I just tried again on give’s photo. Wrote ‘ my posts keep disappearing’ . It showed. I closed gr, went back in and the comment is not there and no other comments show . I give up.

CCCubbon wrote: "As I started this off with the photo of Lincoln Cathedral I wanted to comment on subsequent photos in a kind of welcoming way. Some on Page 1 disappeared but are back this evening but none of the o..."

Yes, it is really buggy (like a website that doesn't have proper IT support)... On top of you and Mach, @gpfr was also reporting issues with comments disappearing behind some photos.

Gladarvor wrote: "Lljones wrote: "CCCubbon wrote: "I have deleted all my photos...."

That's unfortunate, CCC. The missing comment no longer appears in your profile comments. Neither I nor GR Support can troubleshoo..."

When she deleted the photo, the comment also disappeared from her profile comments.

Lljones wrote: "When she deleted the photo, the comment also disappeared from her profile comments."

Giveusaclue’s photo of St Chads Lake.

Not CCC's photo. Giveusaclue's (as per CCC's post, and mine)

Here:
https://www.goodreads.com/photo/group...

Ok, everybody, I can duplicate the bug now. Please hold off adding comments to page two photos, and let me take the issue to GR Support. I'll get back to you.

Lljones wrote: "Ok, everybody, I can duplicate the bug now. Please hold off adding comments to page two photos, and let me take the issue to GR Support. I'll get back to you."

Sorry just tried before I read this. Blushes

giveusaclue wrote: "Sorry just tried before I read this. Blushes."

How very dare you 😉?

Btw, the bug has also happened on the first page of the Photos (the last pic of the first page iirc, where CCC had put up the Stone Age axe.)

Gladarvor wrote: "giveusaclue wrote: "Sorry just tried before I read this. Blushes."

How very dare you 😉?

Btw, the bug has also happened on the first page of the Photos (the last pic of the first page iirc, where ..."

I think covid may have struck! 😀

Whew! I thought that I was going mad, round in circles on my own.

I'm sure some other far more copped on, clued in person has pointed this out already but hovering over a person's avatar brings up an option to view that person's comment history, which I found helpful in tracking a particular conversation and you may too. If this was already evident to most of you, please gallop on by and spare my blushes.

Funnily enough I opened the photo page on my phone from the email notification of Lisa's post and it showed the comments a couple of times, then they disappeared again; won't show using google chrome on the laptop (Windows 10) but do show if I open it using Microsoft Edge and don't disappear.

Which makes me wonder if there is possible some browser incompatibility.

I'm sure there must be a better way to spend a Sunday evening. Such as actually reading. 😖 😃

CCCubbon wrote: "Whew! I thought that I was going mad, round in circles on my own."

I received the following response from the GR Support team:

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've tried adding a test comment too and I got the same issue you and your group members are having with the comments on the group photos. I've forwarded this issue to our developer team so they can look into this for you. It's worth noting that investigations can take some time, but please rest assured that they do look into each case that is brought to their attention. I'll keep you updated as soon as I hear back from them; hopefully they can fix this soon.

Lljones wrote: "CCCubbon wrote: "Whew! I thought that I was going mad, round in circles on my own."

I received the following response from the GR Support team:

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've tri..."

Thank very much for your efforts Lisa, much appreciated