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What Are We Reading? 23 Nov 2020

In "What If The Sun", CF Ramuz explores the life of a swiss-french mountain village where the sun fails to shine. Men discuss this in the cafe, a young vintner returns from beside Lake Geneva and is puzzled that he couldnt see any peaks on his way and how grey the village looks,he laments the deep blue colours of the Lake and a hunter sets out to try and find the sun in the peaks high above the village, with his cavalry rifle...
A World Gone Mad by Astrid Lindgren is a wonderful study of wartime in a neutral state. The Swedes are letting german troops cross from norway into finland, as the war enters its third year. Swedish shipping is being sunk and Lindgren fears another cold winter. Nazi atrocities come to her through her work in the postal censors office (Norwegian civilians executed, a pole who had a relationship with a german woman shot the next day)

And I assume you sorted out the duplication problem :-(
Thanks.
This post is from member @Storm (posted late last week to a separate discussion):
House-Bound by Winifred Peck, published by Persephone Press
Current events in politics and society have been making me reflect and come to conclusions and choose which side of the fence I situate myself on various matters. So I have been drifting into reading books set from the end of the 19th century to the mid 20th. A period that previously I had little interest in and even less patience. But the parallels of seismic change are resonating with me. Not the details. They are mainly different. But the upset to the social order, the overturning of long-cherished beliefs, the ground-shaking changes even to basics such as what makes a man, or a woman?
So I have found, maybe not answers as such, but solace in seeing how others have met and dealt with change and comfort in accepting that I, personally, have little agency over that change.
The book deals with an upper middle class family who lose their domestic servants due to the war. The old social order is destructing. Women are no longer prepared to slave in service for a pittance at the whims of the rich. So Rose Fairlaw, for the first time in her life, has to learn how to cook and clean. She sees for a time this drudgery as her « war work ». Not having a servant means the servants can be employed in war work, and she can learn to feed her husband and feel she is doing her bit! It is a novel of its time, and that is its fascination. How much self-restraint we have lost! Rose, exhausted with the constant sweeping, dusting, cooking, wishes her husband would, for example, when he remarks how tired she looks, clean his own shoes, fill his own hot water bottle and pour his own whisky at night. But she says and does nothing. I think about how far women have come and yet really, not that far at all. The Guardian has featured articles about the rise of domestic violence during Covid, the unlikelihood of women achieving equal pay, and I wonder if the changes have been little more than cosmetic? Too pessimistic, perhaps but my hope is that you cannot put the genie back in the bottle.
Rose is a woman of her time, but one of courage and wisdom, and I cannot dislike her for seeing the world so differently to me. Rather I sympathise and cannot expect her to suddenly hold views current in 2020. So should you read it? As a history lesson in how the upper class lived and thought at the beginning of the 1940s, yes. There were longueurs and I found the Christian spirituality uninteresting, much of the book dated, but I am glad I read it for the breadth of understanding it gave me of the time, and a little insight into my own prejudices today.
House-Bound by Winifred Peck, published by Persephone Press
Current events in politics and society have been making me reflect and come to conclusions and choose which side of the fence I situate myself on various matters. So I have been drifting into reading books set from the end of the 19th century to the mid 20th. A period that previously I had little interest in and even less patience. But the parallels of seismic change are resonating with me. Not the details. They are mainly different. But the upset to the social order, the overturning of long-cherished beliefs, the ground-shaking changes even to basics such as what makes a man, or a woman?
So I have found, maybe not answers as such, but solace in seeing how others have met and dealt with change and comfort in accepting that I, personally, have little agency over that change.
The book deals with an upper middle class family who lose their domestic servants due to the war. The old social order is destructing. Women are no longer prepared to slave in service for a pittance at the whims of the rich. So Rose Fairlaw, for the first time in her life, has to learn how to cook and clean. She sees for a time this drudgery as her « war work ». Not having a servant means the servants can be employed in war work, and she can learn to feed her husband and feel she is doing her bit! It is a novel of its time, and that is its fascination. How much self-restraint we have lost! Rose, exhausted with the constant sweeping, dusting, cooking, wishes her husband would, for example, when he remarks how tired she looks, clean his own shoes, fill his own hot water bottle and pour his own whisky at night. But she says and does nothing. I think about how far women have come and yet really, not that far at all. The Guardian has featured articles about the rise of domestic violence during Covid, the unlikelihood of women achieving equal pay, and I wonder if the changes have been little more than cosmetic? Too pessimistic, perhaps but my hope is that you cannot put the genie back in the bottle.
Rose is a woman of her time, but one of courage and wisdom, and I cannot dislike her for seeing the world so differently to me. Rather I sympathise and cannot expect her to suddenly hold views current in 2020. So should you read it? As a history lesson in how the upper class lived and thought at the beginning of the 1940s, yes. There were longueurs and I found the Christian spirituality uninteresting, much of the book dated, but I am glad I read it for the breadth of understanding it gave me of the time, and a little insight into my own prejudices today.

The review of Parikian's book apparently covers "spiders in the sink". Well, that's one thing - but how much more unwelcome they are, when they appear in the bath - as those of us of a certain age will recall... Flanders & Swann give the warning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z3D5...
As for Wildwood, I could not help but be reminded of the (fictional) hippie pop group, convincingly portrayed in the 'Canticle' episode of TV series Endeavour:
https://morseandlewisandendeavour.com...
Finally (sorry for being silly - put it down to lack of sleep!) - can it really be true that Skippy 'isn't any more' (as they say in French? Too, too cruel!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skippy_...
(I promise to be good next time.)

The review of Parikian's book apparently ..."
hope you are ok scarlet.....


I was able to read with relative ease this week as Luca has learned to both smile and pass gas without agony.
This book has been on my radar ever since I first heard it described, I thought it had the most interesting premise I could remember. Luckily, it was one of the rare books that grew well from the initial seed of thought. A hypothesis that became a successful experiment.
It tried to reconstruct the lives of the 5 canonical victims of Jack the Ripper and show how bad choices and impossible social pressures led them to the horrible end awaiting them. It's a book with a giant hole in the middle, gravitating around the violence. Rubenhold consciously constructed her narrative to recount the women and not the killer, and it was a powerful choice.
The research on display was impressive, and the amount of detail she was able to uncover on these discarded women was compelling. She writes from the viewpoint of over-turning the widely held view that all the victims were prostitutes. Which is hard enough when two of them most certainly were. But it's a hard balance to strike to refute a spurious argument without also slightly validating it. It would seem that the proper response to "but they were all prostitutes" would have been "and what difference does that make shithead?" but that would have wound up being pamphlet-sized and she had these women to put at peace.
She really manages to bring a compelling narrative to a higher place by emphasizing the social constructs that doomed these women, and millions just like them, to unhappy ends. In Victorian England, women were property to be picked up and stowed away. Infidelity was grounds for divorce, but only if committed by the woman. The ripples of these prejudices still are seen in today's justice system: the most prolific of serial killers managed to skate by preying on prostitutes because their deaths went unnoticed for so long.
A really well formed work of history that reads like the best of Wilkie Collins or Arthur Conan Doyle.
Now I'm onto my yearly Steinbeck The Wayward Bus before I tackle my year end/Christmas doorstop of a novel Life and Fate

I mentioned yesterday that I had started The Domesday Book (Not That one). So far so good. It starts on the afternoon of the Battle Of Hastings, where the field is green and sparkly apart from the bits that are covered in bodies and bits of bodies! Inside Duke William's tent, there he sits eating his dinner sharing the table with a covered corpse, the cover being two feet high at the head end because nobody had thought to take the arrow out of the corpse's eye. When uncovered it turns out not to be Harold, and the duke is very angry because he needs to be able to prove he is dead to be sure of claiming the crown. Men are despatched to search the battlefield for Harold, but unfortunately this takes a while due to the number of corpses with arrows in their eyes (apparently due to them looking up as the arrows come flying). They don't find Harold, so four men, a one eyed companion of the duke, a hapless minor Norman noble, an officious, always right, always critcising, very unpopular Norman official and a very reluctant Saxon are sent off on a mission to find Harold's actual corpse.........
I Still don't know if it will get too silly for me but so far there have been quite a few laugh out loud moments.
Machenbach wrote / Alwynne wrote re Laurie Colwyn
I've read and enjoyed several of her books, including Home Cooking and a volume of short stories The Lone Pilgrim
I first heard of her in an article about insufficiently known American woman writers. Another writer mentioned was Lorrie Moore and I bought her short stories Self-Help. I read a couple of books by Laurie Colwin and then picked up a 3rd book and was thrown and perturbed by how different it was in tone. I was of course being totally inattentive and was no longer reading the work of the same writer. Subsequently, I did appreciate Lorrie Moore, too :)
I've read and enjoyed several of her books, including Home Cooking and a volume of short stories The Lone Pilgrim

I first heard of her in an article about insufficiently known American woman writers. Another writer mentioned was Lorrie Moore and I bought her short stories Self-Help. I read a couple of books by Laurie Colwin and then picked up a 3rd book and was thrown and perturbed by how different it was in tone. I was of course being totally inattentive and was no longer reading the work of the same writer. Subsequently, I did appreciate Lorrie Moore, too :)

Hmm - one to consider or the 'maybe' TBR list, I guess? (As a fan of Anne Tyler.)

Ah, I wouldn't have guessed you to be a Lorrie Moore fan..dunno why. She's got a phenomenal voice, I ought to be reading Self Help fairly soon, I broke down and ordered it from the Evil Empire
"Paul wrote: "Ah, I wouldn't have guessed you to be a Lorrie Moore fan..dunno why"
Oh yeah, big fan..."
I may be wrong, but I think you both owe me for Lorrie Moore.
Oh yeah, big fan..."
I may be wrong, but I think you both owe me for Lorrie Moore.

Yeah, me for certain. I think that was THE recommendation you made for me that led me to believe that we were on the same page, so to speak

I've had my eye on this for a while and briefly enjoyed following her Twitter account whilst she fou..."
despite being a reader of many dark novels, i tend to avoid too much voyeuristi violence and sex (likewise with films). I love the idea of celebrating the lives of these poor women but sadly the Ripper remains the attraction for so many and there are many things wrong with that

me too....i tried it and it didnt work
Machenbach wrote: "I think I was pissing around with paper aeroplanes in the back of the lesson where everyone suddenly learnt to post images of the book covers..."
When you use the add book/author link, there is a 'radio button' option and the bottom to choose between link or cover.
When you use the add book/author link, there is a 'radio button' option and the bottom to choose between link or cover.

This tutorial has proven helpful in at least one case.
Machenbach wrote: "Lljones wrote: ""I may be wrong, but I think you both owe me for Lorrie Moore."
Not me in this instance. I've been reading her since Birds of America came out - I bought a signed copy..."
Yeah, I corrected myself while I was walking to the latte shop just now. Remember you being in the know when Paul and I first started talking about her
Not me in this instance. I've been reading her since Birds of America came out - I bought a signed copy..."
Yeah, I corrected myself while I was walking to the latte shop just now. Remember you being in the know when Paul and I first started talking about her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NsW6...


like that?"
can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be Vallaton or a Munch?

Bill taught me how. When you add book/author, you'll see at the bottom of the box: Add link / cover, each with a circle that can be tapped. Choose 'cover', and hey presto:



like that?"
can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be Vallaton or a Munch?"


I don’t know where you are based but if anyone would like to see rope being made you can in the Hawes Ropemakers, that’s Hawes in glorious North Yorkshire Dales.
AB76 wrote: "AB76 wrote: "
can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be Vallaton or a Munch?"
Munch: The Storm
https://www.moma.org/audio/playlist/1...

can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be Vallaton or a Munch?"
Munch: The Storm
https://www.moma.org/audio/playlist/1...

Ah, that's a good recommendation. Grace Paley's Collected Stories will end up being, by very far, my favorite book read this year. I've had Joy Williams works in my shopping basket without ever buying them before. Putting her in the same line as Paley, Eisenberg and Moore makes her a must read.
Fresh from NYTimes: The 10 Best Books of 2020
Folks over at ToB are psyched about James McBride's Deacon King Kong. I've pushed it up the TBR 'cuz the synopsis makes me think of McBride's The Color of Water: A Black Man's Tribute to His White Mother, such a fine book.
@Magret will be pleased about Hamnet, me thinks.
Folks over at ToB are psyched about James McBride's Deacon King Kong. I've pushed it up the TBR 'cuz the synopsis makes me think of McBride's The Color of Water: A Black Man's Tribute to His White Mother, such a fine book.
@Magret will be pleased about Hamnet, me thinks.

Yeah, whether it was groundbreaking or not, I couldn't say. There are only so many police records and property registers that you can discover and at this point I imagine they've all been found already. Not having read any other works, I can't say how original her synthesis is, but it certainly is better written than any "true crime" book that I've taken up before. It's a book that leads naturally to the Gary Ridgeways and the Samuel Littles to show how little has changed when it comes to investigating the disappearance of women who operate outside of the socially accepted norms

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can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be Vallaton or a..."
thanks bill....!


The only one I've been really interested in reading is A Children's Bible. I note that Shakespeare is represented in both the fiction and non-fiction columns.
Man, ever since it was announced the NY Times has been talking up Obama's memoir like it's the Second Coming, the Super Bowl, and a COVID vaccine all rolled into one. They make it sound like the entire book printing and -selling industry worldwide has been gearing up for months to move units into the hands of every reader on earth (and possibly the space station as well).


The only one I've been really interested in reading is A Children's Bible. I ..."
i havent read any of Obama's books, i like him and respect him but the coverage of his earlier books just turned me off,


like that?"
can anyone identify the painting on the cover, its not identified in the POD version i have
It might be ..."
Munch. 'The Storm'
oh something went wrong there. To repeat and for future reference. If you make a copy of the picture,and save it on your desk top, call up your search engine, for me Crome, and type in something like art, or medieval illuminations, for me, and click on the 'image' option, and then pick up the picture from the desk top, and drop it into the box that will appear below it, when you drop it in it will bring up a reasonable selections of where that picture has appeared before, on the internet, and often name it. Not 100% veracity however!...


Perhaps these sorts of political memoirs appeal to the same audience that made up the "HUGE following" (according to a reliable source) for The West Wing.
Bill wrote: "Perhaps these sorts of political memoirs appeal to the same audience that made up the "HUGE following"..."
I haven't read Dreams from My Father, nor do I plan to read his latest, but I do enjoy Obama's annual reading lists - 2020 should be out soon.
Signed,
A reliable source
I haven't read Dreams from My Father, nor do I plan to read his latest, but I do enjoy Obama's annual reading lists - 2020 should be out soon.
Signed,
A reliable source
Machenbach wrote: "Joy Williams is someone I haven't yet read, 'though I've had The Visiting Privilege on my shelves for ages, so I'll try to move it up the TBR pile..."
Williams is in the air (intercontinentally) today. Just got a "Have you read Joy Williams?" text from a good friend who checks in with me when she comes across new authors. I told her I've read a few collections, including TVP, and that I'm lukewarm at best about her. Some stories stood out, many didn't work for me.
Williams is in the air (intercontinentally) today. Just got a "Have you read Joy Williams?" text from a good friend who checks in with me when she comes across new authors. I told her I've read a few collections, including TVP, and that I'm lukewarm at best about her. Some stories stood out, many didn't work for me.


In "What If The Sun", CF Ramuz explores the life of a swiss-french mountain village where the sun fails to shine. Men discuss ..."
Thanks AB.
The Ramos in particular sounds interesting.

I really enjoyed The Small Hand. All of Hill’s ghost stories are good, I just wish she would write more of them instead of her far less interesting crime stuff.

I found the visit most interesting during our last visit. As MK mentioned a very long shed is necessary.
Hawes is one of my favourite places, wanted to live there but MrC said too cold and we settled half way. They make Wensleydale cheese there, too, not that I can eat it.
The only book that I have set nearby is James Heriot’s All creatures great and small.

Thanks Alwynne.
I haven’t read any of them yet... But I’m very keen on The Eighth Life and White Horse.
I notice Marion Brunet’s Summer of Reckoning was on the longlist. Has anyone read it?

Were you aware that A. O. Scott published the third of his NY Times "The Americans" series on Joy Williams this past weekend?


Bill wrote: "Lljones wrote: "Williams is in the air (intercontinentally) today."
Were you aware that A. O. Scott published the third of his NY Times "The Americans" series on Joy Williams this past weekend?"
Nope, but that's probably where my friend came across JW. She's an avid NYT reader.
Were you aware that A. O. Scott published the third of his NY Times "The Americans" series on Joy Williams this past weekend?"
Nope, but that's probably where my friend came across JW. She's an avid NYT reader.
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That’s the barely veiled warning with which the sinister Duke of Ferrara ends his dramatic monologue in Browning’s ‘My Last Duchess’.
Another, different sort of quiz may appear next month.
Now to our reading, from last week’s thread and the general forum, where the natural world has attracted a number of us. Pomfretian, although initially doubtful, finished Into the Tangled Bank: In Which Our Author Ventures Outdoors to Consider the British in Nature by Lev Parikian on a positive note:
Wildwood: A Journey through Trees, by Roger Deakin, made a deep impact on Claire de la Lune:
CCCubbon had mixed views on Monarchs of the Sea: The Extraordinary 500-Million-Year History of Cephalopods by Danna Staaf:
And LLJones asks:
Though I’m not sure that she’s actually read it.
Other nonfiction included The Quest for Queen Mary by James Pope-Hennessy, ed. Hugo Vickers, and reviewed by Russell, who says:
And a sombre note from Sue:
On the fiction side, we have Tom Mooney on Blackwood, by Michael Farris Smith:
Robert considers a tricky but timely issue:
The much-lauded Skippy Dies, by Paul Murray, has drawn more praise from Georg:
And finally, a classic – Anthony Trollope’s Miss Mackenzie – has received Karen’s detailed analysis:
And, just to finish off, a reminder that it helps if you check the italicized introduction that automatically appears at the top of any reply to make sure it’s clear to whom you are replying and exactly what about. You can edit, delete and/or replace what’s there, and your fellow Ersatzians will be grateful!