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I am the "adorable analyzer" for June's book of Dear Martin by Nic Stone. I know nothing about this book, so this will be a journey we can go on together. See you on June 1!
Let's get started! (said with loud booming voice)Our book, Dear Martin, was written by Nic Stone and published in 2017. This was her debut novel, and she has written several YA books since. This novel was nominated for several YA awards.
As I mentioned above, I know next to nothing about this book. The reason I volunteered to lead this month is because I was also the leader for Dear Edward in January, and the name similarity made me laugh.
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
I'll go first. 1. Have you read anything else written by the author?
No, I have not heard of her prior to now.
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
I have already filled this prompt, so I am just reading it because I'm leading the group.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
While I don't usually seek out authors solely because they are black, I do try to make sure that I am reading the viewpoints of many different people and learning all I can about lives that are different from my own. However, I do focus on black authors in February during Black History Month.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
Last year I read Strength to Love, a collection of speeches. I need to read more of his work as I found much to admire.
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?Nope
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
Maybe, there's a lot of great choices.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
Not as often as I should. I try to seek out at least a few per year. Most authors that line the library shelves are white.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
I haven't ever read any of his works. Letter from the Birmingham Jail has long been one I've wanted to read.
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Hahahaha that is really funny!!! I am always fascinated by the idea of reading books with similar titles, but when I try it, the experience is less fascinating than the idea of it.
I'm not sure if I'm going to read this book this month or not, buuuuut .... I'll answer the questions anyway!
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?
I have not!
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
No. I still plan to read The Street for that category.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
I do! I'm white, but I often find books by Black authors with Black protagonists to be more interesting, and I like helping out authors who have not been represented enough by rating and reviewing their books. I read plenty of books with middle-class white protagonists, I see myself represented, and I want to see everyone else represented too. (But now that I'm in my 50s, finding protagonists who are the same age as me is becoming less common!) Although, what's "often"? Last month was AAPI month, so my books were pretty solidly from Asian authors, with a few white authors thrown into the mix. I have to go back to March to find the last Black author I read. I just counted. A bit over 1/3 of the books I've read ytd have been by Black authors, so ... is that "often"?
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
I have not.
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?No, but I've been meaning to grab this one in particular for years! Apparently Nic Stone and Angie Thomas are BFFs and even mention each other's characters in their work -- I read Concrete Rose earlier this year and Angie mentioned Nic's character Justyce, which made me resolve to read Dear Martin and Dear Justyce before year's end.
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
I've already filled the prompt.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
I'm going to say yes, with the caveat that there are ALWAYS more to be read. I started keeping a reading log in 2013 when I joined Goodreads, and the first year or two were all white authors, so I've made a conscious effort to read more Black authors (and other authors of color) since then. It's been helped along the past two years by choosing to focus solely on Black authors in Feburary (while also continuing to read them across the rest of the calendar) these past two years especially.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
I read Letter from the Birmingham Jail earlier this year and was startled by how relevant it still was in 2021. Brilliant.
Ashley Marie wrote: "I read Concrete Rose earlier this year and Angie mentioned Nic's character Justyce, which made me resolve to read Dear Martin and Dear Justyce before year's end."Interesting. I was thinking I had seen the spelling of Justyce like that somewhere recently, but it never occurred to me it would be the same character. I cannot remember anything about the character Justyce in Concrete Rose, though.
Edit: Just looked it up. Justyce's mother was the one that gave Maverick and Lisa the campus tour.
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?I have not read anything written by this author. However, I have both Dear Martin and Dear Justyce on my TBR list. I have borrowed both from the library to read this summer.
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt? I have read other books to fulfill this prompt, but I'm trying not to double-dip (just so I can read as many books as possible this year). So, I'm going to read this one to specifically fulfill this prompt.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not? Yes, I do. I also have several on my TBR list at the moment. I really enjoy Black authors' writing style and learning about their cultures and point of views.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches? Unfortunately, I have not.
I read about 50 pages this evening, a lot has already happened! And I'm hooked!
Thanks for leading the discussion this month, Teri!1. Have you read anything else written by the author?
I read this one last year, and have Dear Justyce on my TBR, but I haven't read other books by Nic Stone yet.
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
No, I read this last year and am already done with the challenge. I read Ain't I a Woman: Black Women and Feminism for that prompt this year.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
Yes! My answer is similar to Nadine's above. Without making an effort to diversify our reading we could easily end up all reading all white books all the time. And I also tend to enjoy books by BIPOC authors more anyway, so its a win-win for me. I did books by BIPOC authors only for the challenge this year and it was fantastic. I aim to read mostly diverse books (80-90%) and more than half of that tends to be books by Black authors. It's been a journey though, as I wasn't always as mindful about this.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
I've read some of his original writing but most of my exposure to MLK's work has been through books written about him (and civil rights history in general).
Hope everyone enjoys the book this month!
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1. Have you read anything else written by the author?
Nope!
"2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?"
I basically read books in which I am interested. The fact that they fulfill challenge prompts is good, but I must want to read the book first... There have been a few exceptions: Manga for instance. I sat in my friend's bookstore and read one just to do it to fulfill a prompt. As I expected, I was not impressed...
"3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?"
Reading challenges have really helped expose me to diverse authors (people of color, LGBTQ+, etc.). The once they're on my TBR listing, I start trying to obtain copies and use them for prompts, or not!
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
Funny you should ask! I have a copy of Why We Can't Wait at home that I keep looking at longingly. I have read read any of his writing other than the text of his famous "I Have a Dream" speech! Shameful! Which is why I obtained a copy of WWCW. Now to work it into the reading schedule...
I read Part One in one night, and I've been thinking about it a lot ever since. I've had to let it sit with me before I could start Part Two, which I'm going to do soon. But in the meantime, let's see what we can find to discuss in Part One.Part One: Chapters 1-4 Questions
1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler)
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
Part One: Chapters 1-4 Questions1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
I want to believe it's true, but based on what I've seen the past few years, "truth" and "reality" have become slippery words. I don't know how we can live up to his words when we can't agree with our neighbors and families what's true and real.
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
A smart kid. I don't get the sense he is angry enough at what happens to him (more below).
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
Worried. Unsure how it was going to turn out. And very angry.
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
I do. I had kind of thought the whole format of the book would be journal entries, I'm glad it's not.
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler) (view spoiler)
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
I like her, but she may be overeager.
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
It's hard to disagree with your friends over any conversation. Racial conversations are especially hard, and tiring. It's easier to just let it slide.
Part One: Chapters 1-4 Questions
1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
I've always hoped so, but lately it is harder to see this happening. Still, it is better to continue to hope than give in to despair.
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
First impression was that he had terrible taste in girlfriends. But he was still willing to help a friend in need, even though it was not convenient for him.
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
It felt too much like so many stories on the news these days. So I was pretty anxious right from the start.
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
Yes, I think it was a great way for the author to introduce Justyce's thoughts, as well as information about him. Plus it helped to understand his mindset as he was trying to pattern himself after Dr King's teachings.
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler)
Suspiciously convenient. It will be interesting to see how this thread is dealt with later, assuming it is.
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
She isn't afraid to speak her mind, and I love that. She tends to argue along similar lines to me (i.e., getting a bit too personal), which is a bit disappointing in a great debate student.
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
Because he's a high school student. Fitting in is the key for most students, not standing out by challenging your friends. It brought to my mind so many times when I was that age where I did similar things (maybe not as important of issues as race, but still not standing up for myself).
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1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
I have to. I must. Otherwise I would have no hope for our future as a species.. But I honestly do believe it is possible. It just takes a "critical mass" of people to create change. Here is a brief summary of a research article published in Science regarding the amount of people needed to create societal change. Their research worked with small groups of 20, but it is interesting to note that it required just 25% of each group to push for change for that change to occur. This is another article talking about social change. It matters what you think and talk about with others, including online postings, etc. So there is hope!
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
He is a very kind, caring, and generous person. One who is willing to put his thoughts into action, regardless of whether others will help him or not. (For example, Manny refusing to drive him to Melo's car, forcing him to walk a mile at 3AM in the morning.) He reminds me of my middle son, wanting to "save" people. He has some ex-girlfriends very similar to, or worse than, Melo's condition as represented here.
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
Scared. ANGRY!! Very VERY angry.
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
Yes! I view these as a cathartic release for Justyce. (I love that name and the nickname "Jus"! Quite the ironic play on words!)
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler)
Honestly, my first thought was (view spoiler)
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
I love this girl! She is unafraid to take on the privileged white boys and at least attempt to force them to see the world from someone else's point of view...
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
Wow. Much as I'd like to be angry with him, I can understand his wanting to fit in just as any teenager does and what he must do to make that happen. But...I feel very sorry for him that he is unable to be his own person and tell these guys to F*** off. I never had any problem with "not fitting in as a teenager," but I realize that the majority of people will adjust their behaviors, etc., in order to do so, both as teens and adults. 🙄🙂 That's sad to me...
Whoo! If you think the beginning is intense, wait till you get to the last 100 pages! I think I'm going to finish it tonight and I can't wait to see how it ends!
1. Have you read anything else written by the author?No, I have not.
2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt?
No, I read The Vanishing Half for this prompt but recently I have wanted to try to feel more connected to other readers so I am reading the monthly reads and trying to participate in the discussions.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not?
I definitely wouldn't say often, but the point of being a part of these challenges is to stretch myself and look beyond my narrow scope and my own worldview. I probably don't seek black authors out often enough, but I have enjoyed many authors of color such as Jason Reynolds, Angie Thomas, and Jaqueline Woodson and most recently Walter Dean Myers.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches?
Unfortunately I have not...yet.
Part One: Chapters 1-4 Questions1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
Yes, but we need to define truth and love. I think both of those words are sorely in need of clear definitions. Also the word "reality" has come to be problematic as well which saddens me but I am not smart enough to solve these problems.
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
He is smart. He works hard. He is a thinker.
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
Worried, confused, and mad
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
Yes, I do like this style.
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler)
I am not sure. I just seems like too much of a coincidence, but I will have to see where it goes. Part of me was relieved and I felt like a bit of justice was served.
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
I am so glad she (view spoiler) because I honestly didn't like her at first. She is one of those girls who is overly dramatic- imo, and has difficulty with stating facts without getting emotional.
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
He has known his friends for so long he doesn't want to rock the boat or loose his friends. It is just too uncomfortable to start a racial discussion. Just by what I have read so far I am not thinking these friends are very understanding or empathetic.
Part One: Chapters 5-14 Questions
1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of blacks prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
I just finished reading this section this morning so I am going to answer these questions while it is all fresh in my mind. 1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of blacks prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?
Yes, I have, in a way. My daughter was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes about 2 years ago. Because of this I definitely think more deeply about health insurance and the cost of insulin in the future (right now because of our situation it is free, but I worry about her future constantly). I see things from a more personal perspective when universal health care is mentioned.
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
At first I thought it was a creative idea but it was executed poorly. I was in shock when one of the boys (view spoiler)
The main feeling I had about the conversation with SJ was relief that she apologized, but also a little curious as to where the relationship was headed.
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
Jared is jealous and he is picking the most obvious thing to blame other than himself. There are definitely people who believe as Jared does and it is so sad and frustrating and maddening.
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
Yes, this is the exact situation that could drive anyone insane!
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
This has to be true on some level for some people. Unfortunately media and entertainment doesn't help by selectively telling the story or perpetuating stereotypes.
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
This is mostly true however as a Christian I find it difficult to understand how one can be okay with yourself if you aren't okay with God or if you don't have a strong faith. Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister and his activism, as far as I can tell, sprung up from his strong beliefs, faith, and he is quoted as saying, "We must keep God in the forefront. Let us be Christian in all our actions." I am not trying to rock the boat, but so many people want hope and love and peace without God and that wouldn't work in the long run. We can't just rely on ourselves- at least that is my opinion.
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
Shocking for sure!!! My heart dropped!
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What an amazing book! A must-read, IMO!
1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of blacks prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?Several times in my life! The most recent example is my kidney disease and transplant. I had no idea that 1 in 4 people will have kidney problems in their lives (and that number is likely to go up as covid seems to hammer the kidneys hard) and that there's so many people in this country waiting for transplants. (psst, be an organ donor!)
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
Umm, yeah, having a guy wear a Klan outfit to a party, probably not a great idea... I think the party raised some interesting questions for Justyce. I can't remember where they come up in the book, so I'll leave it at that for now.
I think he and SJ really bonded over that conversation.
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
Oh absolutely. But I also believe SJ raises important points about the struggles of POC trying to advance when they don't have the opportunities that Justyce has.
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
I think that can be true regardless of race. I would imagine, though, like most everything, it's even harder if you're black. People don't like to see you change. I actually deal with it a lot with my clients with mental illnesses. Their families especially want them to stay down and in the same roles they always had. And if you're trying to advance by going to school or getting a job, people expect you to fail and never get by your past. Yeah, I agree with Justyce.
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
Yes. People still cross the street out of fear. It's part of the systemic racism that has to be overcome and educated out.
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
I don't know about that. Especially for a young black man. For one, literal survival might depend on who you come across and bad, dumb luck. Emotional survival has to be almost impossible, too. Knowing you could be the next story on the news, that would eat at my mental health day in and day out. Yes, you can only control yourself and how you respond to the world. Sometimes insanity is the only way to respond to an insane world.
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
Lol, I finished the book and returned it. You're going to have to be a little more specific! ;)
Lynn wrote: "I'll be answering questions as they come and do my best NOT to jump ahead as I answer them, but I just had to finish this Sunday after starting it that morning. What an amazing book! A must-read,..."
Agreed! I'll be reading Dear Justyce at some point soon, I'm sure!
1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of blacks prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?I grew up in a somewhat racist religion and in a somewhat racist family. While a lot of that bothered me as I was growing up, it wasn't until I left that religion that I learned to trust my own feelings on racism, LGBTQ+ and other social issues. I don't understand how sometimes religion, which is supposed to teach one to love everyone else equally, turns people into us versus them.
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
Wow, that was an experiment gone wrong. It obviously proved that there are times when people make egregious errors in judgment. Even as a white person (view spoiler) I loved the conversation that SJ and Justyce had afterwards. It is obvious she is a calming and good influence on him.
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
I can't imagine how hard it is to be black at a place like Yale knowing that many people on campus believe this kind of nonsense. I loved SJ's explanation to Jared about it.
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
This happens to a lot of people for different reasons, but I suspect it happens to all black people to some degree. This is the thing that has bothered me probably more than most things over the years when thinking about racial issues - how difficult we make other people's lives.
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
I have family members who admit that they believe all blacks are a threat to them, that they all want to hurt white people. I cannot imagine how it must feel to walk into a room of strangers and realize that there are likely some people who are afraid of you. I am quite overweight, and I realize that when I walk into a room of strangers, there are probably many who are disgusted by my body. But that is nothing compared to people feeling physically threatened by you just for your skin color.
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
I agree with his advice, because you cannot change the circumstances outside yourself. Yes, you may not actually physically survive everything (none of us will), but we all need to figure out how to be true to ourselves and not all of the outside influences that try to tear us down. Focusing too much on the past or on the future just causes anxiety and depression, so focusing as much as possible on the present moment helps in making the right decisions.
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
(view spoiler)
Lynn wrote: "Here is a brief summary of a research article published in Science regarding the amount of people needed to create societal change. Their research worked with small groups of 20, but it is interesting to note that it required just 25% of each group to push for change for that change to occur. This is another article talking about social change. It matters what you think and talk about with others, including online postings, etc. So there is hope!"That's pretty interesting. Sometimes it feels like it takes forever for things to change, but in looking back, one can see a lot of progress in so many different areas.
Not to get too personal, but half of my family has radically different political viewpoints than the other half. At different times, both a niece and a nephew have started a conversation about something that I then picked up. My sister has been somewhat angry with me for "fighting" with her children (both in their 30s), and my mother wants me to not engage in those discussions for the sake of family unity. However, they have started the discussions, and I believe that if they can express their opinions then I have the right to express mine, especially since I never start these conversations. No one is telling them to not express their opinions for the sake of family unity. There is obviously a way to handle such discussions, because obviously they can get out of hand with some people, but that's not how these are being conducted. I've stayed good friends with both my niece and nephew. I get tired of being told what I can say and what I can't. I'm 60 years old, for Pete's sake!
Larissa wrote: "6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?This is mostly true however as a Christian I find it difficult to understand how one can be okay with yourself if you aren't okay with God or if you don't have a strong faith. Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister and his activism, as far as I can tell, sprung up from his strong beliefs, faith, and he is quoted as saying, "We must keep God in the forefront. Let us be Christian in all our actions." I am not trying to rock the boat, but so many people want hope and love and peace without God and that wouldn't work in the long run. We can't just rely on ourselves- at least that is my opinion."
It is interesting to me how religion works for some people and doesn't for others. Having lived in both worlds, I know it doesn't work for me. But I don't think my experience should ever determine how another feels. My thought is that if religion is helping you be your best self, then you are where you should be. If it doesn't, find something else that does.
Jennifer W wrote: "Several times in my life! The most recent example is my kidney disease and transplant. I had no idea that 1 in 4 people will have kidney problems in their lives (and that number is likely to go up as covid seems to hammer the kidneys hard) and that there's so many people in this country waiting for transplants. (psst, be an organ donor!)"Great, looks like I'm gonna be the 1 in 4. Starting down that journey, but hopefully won't make it to the transplant level. I hope all is going well with you! I bullied my family into becoming organ donors many years ago, and I'm really glad I did.
Oh, and Chapter 14 was (view spoiler)
Part One: Chapters 5-14 Questions & Answers1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of blacks prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?
Yes, as a woman, this has happened to me several times, especially in my career and education.
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
I did not like the choices of Halloween costumes from the group. I felt like they focused on more negative stereotypes of each culture. While I understand that Jared was trying to prove a point, I don't think he will ever have a true understanding being a white male, especially through Halloween costumes.
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
I think Jared's assumption lean to the issue of racism in this country. Justyce was a hard-worker and did well in school. He deserves a chance just like anyone else. Colleges and universities take other things into account (besides grades and test scores) when accepting people. It is important for students to have a social background, as well. Plus, there are racial issues with standardized testing that I won't get into on here.
Yes, as a teacher, I have heard students, parents, and other teachers make comments such as these. Which is unfortunate.
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
I agree with this. You can have one of the best or worst experiences, and there is always someone there to play devil's advocate.
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
Yes, this is true for some people. I can visually see it in the way some people act. I've also heard many negative stereotypes of "dangerous black people."
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
I agree with this advice. Justyce can't change his race, so if he accepts himself then he will be more confident and will not listen to those trying to make him into a villain or tear him down.
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
There was definitely something in my eye during this chapter.
Ah, yes, chapter 14! You know, I thought as I was reading it that it was pretty impressive that the author made us care about these young men in such a short book. Because (view spoiler) it still took my breath away.
1. Have you read anything else written by the author? No, I haven't, but I may look into some of her other books.2. Are you reading this book to fill the Black Lives Matter prompt? Yes, I had other books chosen, but this looked interesting so I changed my option.
3. Do you often read books by black authors? Why or why not? To be honest, I didn't keep up with what type of authors I was reading until this challenge. The database I chose has a column about the author. Now, I'm paying more attention to who I'm reading not just what I'm reading.
4. Apparently the writings of Martin Luther King have important meaning to our main character. Have you read any of Dr King's books, essays or speeches? Yes, I have, but I may read more in response to having read this book.
I just picked up Dear Justyce from the library. From my brief perusal of the cover flap, it appears to be Quan's story told in letters to Justyce. Sounds great! A life story completely different than Justyce's.
Part Two: Chapters 15-End Questions1. Did you think the author did a good job of describing Justyce's emotions about (view spoiler) Did it ring true to you?
2. How do you feel about Justyce's mother's reaction to his friendship with Sarah-Jane?
3. Why do you think Quan wanted Justyce to visit him? Why do you think Justyce went?
4. What do you think are the reasons Justyce went to visit Martel (view spoiler)
5. Finally, (view spoiler) Will it last?
6. What did you think about the resolution of Officer Tison's storyline(view spoiler)? Did it seem plausible?
7. What do you think Justyce learned?
8. What did you learn from this book, and what did you think of it overall?
1. Did you think the author did a good job of describing Justyce's emotions about (view spoiler) Did it ring true to you?I thought this might be the most authentic part of the book for Justyce. His anger, his sorrow, his view of the media, I really felt it all. It also made me think about how I consume news' stories of events like this, I wasn't there, I didn't know the participants, and there's always more to the story. I liked how earlier events (view spoiler) come back around.
2. How do you feel about Justyce's mother's reaction to his friendship with Sarah-Jane?
I wasn't surprised. But I find it interesting they hadn't met before since they were on debate team together. They never practiced at Justyce's house? His mom would have had a chance to get to know her.
3. Why do you think Quan wanted Justyce to visit him? Why do you think Justyce went?
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4. What do you think are the reasons Justyce went to visit Martel (view spoiler)
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5. Finally, (view spoiler) Will it last?
Eh, probably not. But I'm a cynic!
6. What did you think about the resolution of Officer Tison's storyline(view spoiler)? Did it seem plausible?
So I was more OK with this than I was with Officer Castillo's plot line. (view spoiler)
7. What do you think Justyce learned?
I think Justyce realized that he can admire people, MLK, Martel, his mom, etc, but he's got to forge his own path, in part because none of the mentors have walked in his shoes. I think he sees how hard it will be and he will always have choices how he responds. As a black man, those choices will be under a microscope, and it will never be good enough for everyone around him, but it will have to be good enough for him.
8. What did you learn from this book, and what did you think of it overall?
I loved it. I think Justyce was a great character. I think he asked excellent questions about the world around him. It was interesting to see his side of those questions when I've asked my own version of those questions but from the white POV. Like when he questions accepting help from white people, how much is help, how much is enabling, how much is genuine, etc? I look forward to reading Dear Justyce and seeing things from Quan's perspective as someone who has not had the opportunities Justyce has had and see how Quan processes the world.
Part Two: Chapters 15-End Questions1. Did you think the author did a good job of describing Justyce's emotions about (view spoiler) Did it ring true to you?
I thought this section was very good and did a great job of showing all the range of emotions he went through during this time. That was a lot for a teenage boy (or anyone) to handle.
2. How do you feel about Justyce's mother's reaction to his friendship with Sarah-Jane?
I had a white friend marry a black guy back in the 1980s. She said at the time that both of their families were upset that they were marrying outside their race, and I found that so sad. They moved across the country, and as this was before keeping track of people was as easy as it it now, I've lost track of her. But I hope both of their families came around.
I agree with Jennifer, it seemed really weird that his mother seemed completely unaware of S-J as his debate partner, much less as a friend.
3. Why do you think Quan wanted Justyce to visit him? Why do you think Justyce went?
I originally thought Quan wanted to show Justyce that his own path was the better way and to discourage Justyce from following Quan's path. But that was obviously not his intention. He seemed to believe that Justyce would not succeed so might as well not try. And I think Justyce went because he was curious and already feeling out of place, so what did he have to lose.
4. What do you think are the reasons Justyce went to visit Martel (view spoiler)
Justyce was feeling overwhelmed with all that had happened to him, and was looking for a way to deal with it. This wasn't the way for him.
5. Finally, (view spoiler) Will it last?
I personally think it is a mistake (view spoiler)
6. What did you think about the resolution of Officer Tison's storyline(view spoiler)? Did it seem plausible?
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7. What do you think Justyce learned?
He learned that life isn't easy, and the only way through is to decide what matters most to you and then follow that path. Others may not agree with the choices, but being true to yourself matters most. He also learned that he isn't the type to give up, which is always a valuable lesson.
8. What did you learn from this book, and what did you think of it overall?
I have often thought in the past how difficult it must be for black people to succeed, especially when they deal with being accused of too good for their own people, sucking up to the whites, etc. I wondered how they get through it, and this book and Doc's advice helped me realize that they do it by deciding what they really want and not spending too much time worrying about what others think. A good lesson for us all.
In Trevor Noah's Born a Crime: Stories From a South African Childhood, he mentions that no one succeeds without a hand up. No one does it on their own. That is why it is so important to provide everyone with opportunities and education. Pretending that there isn't systemic racism does not help.
I really loved this book, and was so glad I chose to read this one. I wish everyone would. It's a great way to understand a life that might be different than one's own in a way that doesn't beat you over the head.
I've started reading Dear Justyce. It's so good! It's a perfect complement to Dear Martin. The author states that she had no intention of writing this book, but she received feedback from teens who said that Justyce's story isn't their story, and theirs needs to be told as well.
Finally starting this today and already sucked in after three chapters. Posting a few answers and will come back later.1. The opening quote before the novel starts is from Dr Martin Luther King Jr's Nobel Peace Prize Acceptance Speech in 1964. It is: "I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality." Do you believe this is true?
I think it's optimistic, but I desperately want to believe it is true.
2. What is your first impression of Justyce McAllister in the first few pages?
Seems like a good kid. Bit of an introvert, reminds me of myself in high school.
3. How did you feel when Officer Castillo pulled up while Justyce was helping his drunk ex-girlfriend?
"Ohhhh here we go." Exasperated and terrified.
4. Do you like the idea of the journal-type entries written to Dr King?
Very much. I think it allows Justyce's voice to come through even more than the rest of the story. Also, Dion Graham's narration of the whole story is beautiful, but particularly these journal entries.
5. What did you think when Manny's cousin Quan Banks (view spoiler)
Slowww down. "They say", not "he did". Words are important here!
6. What is your first impression of Sarah-Jane Friedman from the racial discussion during debate?
I wish I was as fearless as her at that age.
7. Why do you think Manny went along with the racial discussions among his white friends?
It's high school and high schoolers want to fit in with their friends; I'm sure he didn't want Jared & co. to view him as a "troublemaker" or "playing the race card", either.
Part One: Chapters 5-14 Questions1. Justyce wasn't very interested in the unfair treatment of Black people prior to his arrest because he hadn't had it so blatantly in his face before. Have you had a similar situation in your life where your entire perspective changed through an experience?
I'm not sure if I've ever dealt with something so inescapable.
2. How did you feel about the Halloween costumes and Jared's attempt to prove that everyone is treated equally? How did you feel about Justyce's conversation with Sarah-Jane after the party?
I wanted to think Jared's heart was in the right place, but he just struck me as very ignorant (he's in high school, I know). Naive feels like too nice of a word.
SJ's apology was an unexpected choice, but I appreciated her self-awareness.
3. What did you think about Jared's assumptions about the reasons Justyce was accepted to Yale? Do you know people who believe as Jared does?
He's not the only one who thinks like that, unfortunately; I've heard too many people say they think affirmative action is a "handout" when they're not stopping to consider, as Doc pointed out later, everyone's different starting points.
4. Justyce wrote to Martin: "It's like I'm trying to climb a mountain, but I've got one fool trying to shove me down so I won't be on his level, and another fool tugging at my leg, trying to pull me to the ground he refuses to leave." What do you think?
I think it's not an inaccurate statement. Unfortunate, but not entirely wrong. I also have to wonder if tagging Trey as someone who "refuses to leave" his situation is entirely accurate; we don't get a lot of background on Trey. Maybe he's tried to get out and had no success, so he feels stuck where he is. I try to believe the best of everyone, which is probably (again) naive, but I can't help it.
5. Justyce also wrote to Martin: "Every time I turn on the news and see another black person gunned down, I'm reminded that people look at me and see a threat instead of a human being." Do you think that is true for some people?
Yes. Hard yes.
6. How did you feel about Doc's advice to Justyce about realizing that the only way to survive is to be okay with yourself?
Loved it, especially since this is something I remember realizing as I was coming into myself in college, getting to know myself and my own principles.
7. Chapter 14. OMG!
*deep breath*
Part Two: Chapters 15-End Questions1. Did you think the author did a good job of describing Justyce's emotions about (view spoiler) Did it ring true to you?
Yes. I was put in mind of the characters' reactions in Boyz n the Hood.
2. How do you feel about Justyce's mother's reaction to his friendship with Sarah-Jane?
It doesn't feel like my place to spout opinions about the prejudices Black people hold, but I thought it was realistic. My sister's fiance is Black and I wonder sometimes what her relationship with his family is like.
3. Why do you think Quan wanted Justyce to visit him? Why do you think Justyce went?
I figured Quan wanted to see Jus because of their shared connection to Manny; I doubted Quan knew Castillo was the cop who got shitty with Justyce. Justyce went... again, probably because of the Manny connection.
4. What do you think are the reasons Justyce went to visit Martel (view spoiler)
It seemed obvious to me he was feeling considerable pressure. I was glad Justyce (view spoiler)
5. Finally, (view spoiler) Will it last?
Maybe not, but I think they're good for each other.
6. What did you think about the resolution of Officer Tison's storyline(view spoiler)? Did it seem plausible?
Ish? I was fully banking on Tison (view spoiler). Otherwise, yeah it seemed very plausible.
7. What do you think Justyce learned?
By the end of the book, he seems to have learned more about himself and by extension, grown as a person. I think he learned that it's better to call out problematic stuff in the moment than to let it slide and have other people think you're okay with it, as well as what Doc said about being okay with yourself -- that really hit home for me.
8. What did you learn from this book, and what did you think of it overall?
I found the writing style a bit inconsistent in spots (especially switching from prose to script) but the story itself was fantastic. I can't wait to get ahold of Dear Justyce!
Thanks to all of you who commented on this wonderful book. I hope more people read it than participated in this conversation. It's well worth reading, and I have been recommending it to several other people in my life.I hope that as we all learn more, we all do better. The only way to change the world is to change ourselves and our knowledge of others. Be the good! (as if I need to tell you any of this, because you obviously already know)
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