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Do you dislike Mal? And why?
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P.s. were not going to mention their relationship in the second book and in a chunk of the third **cough - and the end of the first - cough** but that's besides the point.
you're right about the Darkling though...



I wish some of his traits has been a bit more fleshed out. I understand the trilogy is from Alina's perspective so we can really only see so much of him, but if we had gotten more of his own background, how he's such a good tracker, where he learned that, etc. All these little things culminated into my feeling like he is not his own character but rather just there as an "always" option for Alina. I also really didn't appreciate the resentment he had at first harbored towards her for her summoning power. It's not like she chose that.
In terms of romance with Alina, their relationship and their bond feels more so like siblings than anything else. I just wasn't wholly convinced of their romantic love for each other but I was convinced that they feel much tenderness for the other.
He's very meh and one dimensional to me. I won't bother comparing him with the Darkling as some others have because the two of them are so completely different that it's antithetical.


I actually would have preferred the Darkling character to be explored a lot more in general. I wanted to read more about him and get to know him so much!
When the show came out I was really hoping Netflix would do that more than in the book, but no. Wasn't to be. :(


This will be long.
Very long.
Also: MILD SPOILERS for Siege and Storm and Shadow and Bone.
EDIT: The reason I'm writing this review and not Why the Darkling is the Worst Love Interest Ever is because
A. He's the villain. He's supposed to be the worst. That's kind of the point.
B. Mal is supposed to be the hero, but he's so toxic and awful and I don't like how he's portrayed as some ideal man.
C. The Darkling was never really a love interest.
1. He’s a possessive piece of trash
“Do you? That night at the palace when I saw you on that stage with him, you looked so happy. Like you belonged with him. I can’t get that picture out of my head.”
“I was happy,” I admitted. “At that moment, I was happy. I’m not like you, Mal. I never really fit in the way that you did. I never really belonged anywhere.”
“You belong with me,” he said quietly.
Oooo boy. *deep breaths* I’m already raging mad and I haven’t even started yet.
Let’s address the problems in this segment.
“I was happy.”
Alina was happy with the Darkling. She felt like she belonged. But no, Mal says that Alina only belongs with him, because obviously that’s healthy and not at all problematic.
“I’ve risked my life for you. I’ve walked half the length of Ravka for you, and I’d do it again and again and again just to be with you, just to starve with you and freeze with you and hear you complain about hard cheese every day. So don’t tell me we don’t belong together,” he said fiercely. He was very close now, and my heart was suddenly hammering in my chest. “I’m sorry it took me so long to see you, Alina. But I see you now.”
Can I please just cease to exist?
“So don’t tell me we don’t belong together.”
He kisses her right after this, by the way.
I’m extremely mad at this paragraph for multiple reasons. One, he doesn’t give Alina a chance to say whether or not she feels the same way. He just assumes that she likes him since he likes her, and he makes the statement that they belong together without actually asking Alina how she feels.
I’m going to skip the part where Mal says he never wants to see her wearing black again (the Darkling’s colors), because that’s just so disgusting and problematic and I honestly don’t have time to digest that right now.
This is just the first book, folks.
I'm already tired.
2. He makes decisions for her
Towards the beginning of the second book, Nikolai proposes a political marriage between himself and Alina. He acknowledges that it wouldn’t be a love match, but he knows it’s a smart move, so he waits for Alina’s response.
Mal never gives her the chance to respond. He physically attacks Nikolai and proceeds to say:
“You don’t have a right to her.”
Oh, so you do? You, Malyen Oretsev, have more of a “right” to Alina than Nikolai does? The logic here is nonexistent.
Alina tries to calm them down in a rare moment of non-stupidity, but Mal refuses, again, to let her decide for herself, and just assumes that she wouldn’t accept. She’s very hurt by this, understandably.
“I don’t need to think about it,” Mal shouted. “And neither does she. It isn’t going to happen.”
Again. Let her make her own decisions. She has a brain, even if it’s not a very large one, and she doesn’t need you to decide for her.
3. He has double standards and is emotionally manipulative
REMEMBER THAT TIME HE KISSED ZOYA?
*uncontrolled laughter* AND THEN HAD THE AUDACITY TO SAY IT WAS ALINA’S FAULT?
THE SAME GUY WHO WOULDN’T EVEN LET ALINA HAVE MALE FRIENDS?
“At least she doesn’t flinch when I touch her,” he spat. “You don’t want me, so why do you care if she does?”
AGAIN, she didn’t flinch because she didn’t want you. She flinched because she literally saw an apparition of the Darkling. And now you’re making out with her enemy just to spite her when she did nothing wrong.
And he threatens to break up with Alina every time she as much as LOOKS at another man with anything other than hatred.
4. He dislikes the fact that she is more powerful than he is
*coughs* *flips Siege and Storm to page 159* Observe.
“But when all this is over, Alina, I wonder if you’ll still want me.”
And then he walks out. He just walks out of the room.
*anger intensifies*
He does this SO. MUCH. Like every other page. Every interaction with Alina, he’s constantly moaning about how “she doesn’t want me” because “she has powers” and “I’m useless.”
Do you want her to be weak and rely on you?
Is that it?
(Actually, that is it.)
Mal is noticeably happier when Alina is weak and not in her power, because then she relies on him. And he’s unhappy when she’s strong and self-confident.
He’s not letting Alina have her own dreams and ambitions and motivations. He’s constantly making her stressed and depressed by questioning her love for him and saying that because she’s trying to help Ravka, that means she automatically has no time for him.
She’s trying to save an entire country.
Calm down.
No one cares about you.
On the contrary, Nikolai encourages Alina to try harder, to be her better self. And he’s not afraid of letting her go. He values her as a free person, unlike Mal.
Another quote:
He let out a bitter bark of laughter. “Do you know how much I want that? To be with you without rank or walls or anything between us? Just to be common again together?” He shook his head. “But you won’t do it, Alina.”
He wants to be common again.
Together.
He wants Alina to forsake her powers.
To give up Ravka and just live with him and bE A STUPID PEASANT IN THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS THAT.
"I wasn’t afraid of you, Alina. I was afraid of losing you. The girl you were becoming didn’t need me anymore, but she’s who you were always meant to be.”
Nononono wait a second-
*crying*
*crying abruptly stops*
Okay, I’m good.
I find this extremely hilarious and extremely sad at the same time.
He doesn’t like Alina with powers because she’s confident, strong, and brave.
He likes weak, insecure Alina better because that version of Alina made him feel like a big, tough man.
He’s continually insecure that Alina will leave him simply because she doesn’t need him. He doesn’t want her to become a more independent, strong person.
5. He shows signs of potentially becoming physically abusive
Mal has a problem with “curling his fingers into fists” whenever Alina shows ANY sign of not wanting to make out right at that moment. And then he assumes she’s thinking about another guy.
And then, after that, he doesn’t give her any chance to explain.
I’m so done with this.
He shows every sign of becoming physically abusive. The fists, the possessiveness, the jealousy.
There’s this one line that I couldn’t find in the book that was a perfect example. He kisses her, she stiffens noticeably because she literally has a hallucination of the Darkling standing behind him. He assumes she doesn’t love him anymore and storms out with his hands curled into fists.
You have to give her some space.
The problem with Mal is that he constantly decides that HE knows better. He knows everything Alina is thinking. He can make decisions for her. And then he makes her feel like trash and leaves it all up to her to “fix” their relationship. Which he broke, by the way, by not letting her speak and just assuming he knew what she meant.
6. He doesn’t allow her to have male friends
I’m going to share a quote with you that actually made me laugh out loud:
Mal shook his head in disgust. “I let him push me away. The meetings, the council sessions, the dinners. I let him edge me out. Just waiting, hoping that you’d miss me enough to tell them all to go to hell.”
*wheezing* So he’s saying that Alina can’t have male friends? That she actually has to tell Nikolai to go to hell just because Mal is so jealous that he can’t stomach the idea of Alina having a life?
I should stop laughing and start crying.
I’m not going to paste the infamous flinching quote in here again, but the same points apply. He assumed that Alina was thinking about another guy, and instead of asking her if she was, he gets angry and guilt-trips her, making her think it’s all her fault.
I believe this is called gaslighting.
TL;DR, Mal is a needy, insecure, jealous, possessive, toxic, abusive excuse for a human being.
Me @ Mal:
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1. Mal. Please die.
2. Alina just doomed the whole Ravka because she was too busy professing her love to Mal and wouldn't kill a stupid deer.
I believe there is one fundamental problem with Shadow and Bone. Actually, that's not true. There are many, many problems, but one irked me the most (I'm not counting Mal, my mortal enemy).
You can't count on me to root for the "good guys" just because I'm supposed to. I will come into a book with absolutely no opinions whatsoever (excluding The Cruel Prince, which I was in love with before I even started) and form my own idea as to which side I should like more. The Darkling was just so much better than Mal and Alina. And I don't even like the Darkling. He's an annoying jerk with no clear motive and I kind of hate him, but guess what? I hate Alina and Mal even more. Fun times.
Sometimes I feel like authors expect me to side with the morally good people as a principle, but I don't care if you're a good person or not. I just want you to be somewhat interesting. Mal and Alina were as interesting as this piece of white bread:
Only I would rather spend a day with a slice of bread than with Malyen Oretsev.
This book suffers from a serious case of not like other girls™. Alina Starkov(a) is the only female character in this entire novel that isn't a gossipy, appearance-obsessed, "shallow" person, but she's more shallow than all of them because she's bringing them down while putting herself up, and that makes me automatically hate her.
Take Zoya, for example, who had the potential for an awesome redemption arc but instead tried to kill Alina for having stronger powers. Because ✨logic.✨ The characters all fit into traditional roles:
Mal: The love interest who would do anything for the protagonist
Alina: The speshul protagonist with speshul powers who has a destiny she never dreamed of
Zoya: The mean girl who exists only to make life a living hell for the protagonist
The Darkling: Basically Kylo Ren, but worse
Alina is the definition of a Mary Sue. She starts off incompetent and idiotic, and ends the book suddenly a goddess and idiotic. I guess it was too much to ask for character development.
Moving on to Mal, who may be The Worst Character Of All Time for the reasons listed below.
1. He's a jealous jerk.
I'm thinking of that time when he threatened to break off his friendship with Alina because he thought she was in a relationship with the Darkling. Learn what the word "no" means, you insufferable moldy waffle. And he's supposed to be "noble." Look up feminism and only come back here when you've written a 10-page essay on why you are a terrible person.
2. He uses Alina for his own wants.
He constantly complains about how "she's different" since she got powers and he's "worried that she doesn't love me anymore." *sigh* There is so much that's wrong with... *gestures vaguely* you. First of all, stop moping because "she might not love" you. Hasn't she sacrificed everything for you? Just because she wants to fight for the good of all Ravka doesn't mean you have the right to be a jerk about that because you want more time with her. In case you didn't already know, Alina is a person too and has stuff she needs to get done. You're just making things worse, you clingy spoiled octopus.
Anyway, this was terrible. It's basically all the YA tropes shoved into a bowl and halfheartedly mixed for a few seconds.
Mal is a rat. argue with a wall.




So yes, I kind of do dislike Mal for the whole reason of holding Alina down and not letting her have power.

For example - whenever the Darkling is playing with Alina's feelings and trying to get her and Mal mad. Like how can you not see that! moreover, he is blaming Alina for her the Darkling deeds, no wonder she can't tell him that she sees him in her visions, 'cause he will get upset and Alina will have to deal with his drama.
And dude, if you truly live your girl, you need to fight for her, because if you're a lover you must be a fighter (Keanu Reeves in my heart).

I know that the Darkling is the villain and he manipulated and played with her feelings but until that point he was the perfect love interest. I think his character has more depth than Mal.



I don't think this is yours: it reminds me of Sofia's review
starkov is reading now wrote: "Why Mal the Malfunction is the Worst Love Interest Ever: An Essay
This will be long.
Very long.
Also: MILD SPOILERS for Siege and Storm and Shadow and Bone.
EDIT: The reason I'm writing this r..."
THANK YOU YOU'RE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BEING IN THE WHOOOOLE UNIVERSE!! Like, everyone told me I was crazy, like "How can you reallyreallyreally hate Mal? He just wants the best for Alina..." and I just tried to explained (and failed many times), but you said EVERYTHING. I'm gonna send your entire comment to my best friend. Now she can't tell me Mal is better than Nikolai or the Darkling...
This will be long.
Very long.
Also: MILD SPOILERS for Siege and Storm and Shadow and Bone.
EDIT: The reason I'm writing this r..."
THANK YOU YOU'RE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BEING IN THE WHOOOOLE UNIVERSE!! Like, everyone told me I was crazy, like "How can you reallyreallyreally hate Mal? He just wants the best for Alina..." and I just tried to explained (and failed many times), but you said EVERYTHING. I'm gonna send your entire comment to my best friend. Now she can't tell me Mal is better than Nikolai or the Darkling...

This will be long.
Very long.
Also: MILD SPOILERS for Siege and Storm and Shadow and Bone.
Just from this, I want there to be a little more romantic exploration between alina and nikolai.
He is so much better than mal and he accepts her more as a person that a love object like mal does.
Your entire argument is totally fair
EDIT: The reason I'm writing this r..."

This will be long.
Very long.
Also: MILD SPOILERS for Siege and Storm and Shadow and Bone.
Just..."
You just summed up every single emotion I have ever felt while reading the books dude. *Chef's kiss*



I'd really wish I could say I liked Mal and enjoyed his character, but I truly did not! From start to finish (then especially in book 2), he was an insufferable and entitled character who liked to pretend he was sacrficing so much for Alina and the war, when in reality all he did was complain feel bad for himself.
He is not very present in the first book, but the small part he is, he is very needy of Alina, which is hurtful to see. Alina had been pining over him for years, and it wasn't until she was thriving on her own, seeing that she had value without Mal, that he suddenly decided she was desirable. He appealed to her childhood dream of him liking her back, so he basically manipulated her into his arms. I finish the first book and was like "alright, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he truly loves her, it'll show."
It took him less then 100 pages for me to despise him. The first scene I can recall where I began to really question him as a character was when he snapped at Nikolai for proposing a political marriage with Alina. His possessiveness is disguised as protectiveness. Alina isn't even considering accepting the offer, and yet Mal will not even listen to her.
He goes on to have a nice-guy meltdown where he basically says he will walk heaven and earth for her, but he is insecure because he doesn't know if she'll still want him when it's all over. Then he leaves her standing without another word.
what. the. hell.
Alina has never given any signs that she will at any point leave Mal behind. If anything, she is desperately trying to convince him that is not the case. He is too much wrapped up in his self pity to try and listen to her.
Against her own wishes, Alina has the entire fate of their country resting on her shoulders. Despite this massive burden, she has decided to take on that role and make the best out of it. As a result, she has grown more powerful and confident. Defying all these odds, Mal will not pass up the opportunity to use this against her to victimize himself.
He keeps on telling her she has changed since she revieved her powers... well duh she had to in order to actually survive, but I would argue these changes were all for the better. But poor Mal, who is not needed as much anymore. The girl who has given up everything for me and our country is managing to stand on her own two feet and I'm not important enough to her..... I'm sorry, am I supposed to feel bad for him?!
The next scene is probably the worst one he has throughout this series and is, in my opinion, inexcusable.
(Disclaimer, don't remember every detail in this scene)
One late night, Mal has ended up in her room where they enter a heart-to-heart conversation. After having spilled some manipulating words to Alina, Mal decides to make a move on her, physically. Which is all good, as long as she is onboard. I'm giving the impression she is more than willing. However, the Darkling decides to make an unwanted appearance for only Alina. Naturally, she flinches at the sight of her enemy. It's a clear sign of trauma that she has endured throughout the series so far. And what does our oh-so-righteous hero do?
He gets upset.
That's right. Alina won't commit to their physical relationship at that very moment because she has a trauma response, and Mal gets furious. He takes personal offence to this and begins blaming Alina again. She tries to explain why she had the reaction, but he won't listen. Instead, he uses her insecurities agains her. he says "I know you haven't had much experience. But I've kissed enough girls to know what that means. Don't worry. It won't happen again." - BFFR!!!
This is the peak of toxic behaviour. He shames her for flinching out of fear before using the one thing she had been consistantly insecure about to justify his reaction. And that's not all. After this conflict, he begins to spiral. He begins to avoid her, giving her silent treatment. He also begins to drink heavily and participate in fight clubs. I understand that the drinking is an issue, and a serious one at that, but Alina is not to blame for his problems.
(a little of topic) but I'm growing tired of the narrative where a woman is responsible for a man's issues and problems, which eventually results in the woman feeling responsible for fixing said problem, which is in no way her responsibility!
Anyways. In a later confrontation between the romantic couple, she catches him doing something he shouldn't be doing. He kisses Zoya, who's not exactly friends with Alina, to put it mildly. In this confrontation, where Alina is understandably upset, he uses her trauma response against her as a reason to justify kissing Zoya, saying "at least she doesn't flinch when I touch her."
I get that Mal isn't the smartest person around, but he should be able to understand that maybe there is a deeper meaning to her flinch. Oh, sorry, I forgot that Mal only really has the ability to think of himself. My bad.
It is such a lowblow for anyone to make, but especially the character supposed to be the love interest. I'm glad I read this series now in my life when I'm in my early 20s instead of in my mid teens, where I would probably have eaten it all up. I'd be making excuses for this sorry man. It just goes to show that men can just go around doing whatever and treating people badly without any from of repercussion.
In the third book, he is mostly just there in my opinion. Becomes a very superficial character, despite not being as terrible as in the second book. I really enjoyed the Shadow and Bone trilogy, but I also know I would have enjoyed it so much more if Mal had some form of redeeming qualities.
Then I see people talking about who was the better love interest for Alina, where Mal defenders come with arguments like "Oh but the Darkling is evil". I agree, I don't think that the Darkling would have been a fitting love interest for Alina at all, but you cannot deny the tension between him and Alina. Their chemistry is way better than Mal and Alina's despite them being enemies.
Same goes for Nikolai. The tension is there, and I had a lot more comforting feelings about their interactions than I ever did with Mal and Alina, though I didn't want her to end up with Nikolai either.
Mal suffers from the same good-guy syndrome a lot of other male heros suffer from, which really make it hard for me to like them. It's the way Mal acts as if he is such a great guy, brave, strong etc. but his actions shows us that he really isn't. It's the way we're supposed to see his reaction as reasonable because he is the good guy who saves the day.
The Darkling, who is objectively a bad guy, could be doing exactly the same things as Mal, and get shit for it (if we think about it, we kind of do. I mean, they're both possessive and controling). I'm not saying we should ignore all the things that the Darkling does that is not okay, but he doesn't pretend to be better than he is.
So to answer the question, yes. I do dislike Mal, and proudly so.





Same

Alina and the Darkling has always been a no-no in my mind. HE FRICKING KILLED EVERYONE AT KERAZMIN!!!!
Alina and Nikolai are also a big no since I 100% prefer Nikolai And Zoya ❤️😍
If I had to choose I would have preferred for Alina to have remained single (🎶all the single ladies, all the single ladies🎶) I mean not everyone HAS to fall in love.
But, yea Mal is not too bad as people make him out to be






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