Underground Knowledge — A discussion group discussion

Coverage of minority viewpoints by mainstream media (MSM) and social media is being steadily eroded whether the subject matter be global pandemics, climate change, the Ukraine war etc. etc..

I imagine we can all think of recent examples of transgressions against free speech. The prevailing attitude seems to be free speech is allowed unless it contradicts or undermines mainstream attitudes or government's narrative.

I experienced this twice in the past week when I was "temporarily suspended" from the popular business forum LinkedIn.com for casting doubt on the efficacy and safety of the new mRNA vaccines, and then banned from a neighbourhood chat site for posting a video showing a climate scientist scoffing at the idea that Man and C02 have anything to do with climate change.

My big frustration is that too few in MSM are prepared to stand up and be counted on issues that count. Editors and reporters are too busy protecting their jobs and pay packets to do what they should be doing, which is to uncover and report the truth.

The solution is to name and shame them where possible until they see the light.

I'm on another forum where a bunch of posts were deleted because the site has a "strong policy regarding misinformation about covid."

Misinformation=information someone doesn't like

Lance wrote: "Coverage of minority viewpoints by mainstream media (MSM) and social media is being steadily eroded whether the subject matter be global pandemics, climate change, the Ukraine war etc. etc..."

Hi Lance,
I'm sure you've heard of the Big Lie that led to the January 6th violent insurrection. Hundreds of people are investigated, and some are already serving sentences.
I am sure you believe in a rule of law. 'Freedom of speech' must not and cannot be against the rule of law.

Carmen:

The big lie is a media created phrase. There were strange occurrences in this election that helped Joe Biden, that is not in question, namely constitutional and state laws being changed in order to allow for certain types of voting mid-vote. If you believe that those same “insurrectionists” and Republican media, and conservatives think tanks should be penalized for freedom of speech that disagrees with the “mainstream” thought proffered by liberal media, then the same rules should have been applied to Jan 6 Committee members like Jaimie Raskin(who vehemently denied 2016 election and called Trump illegitimate), as well as Hillary, Stacy Abrams(both in her loss and Hillary’s). 1st amendment is absolute with the exception of “yelling fire in a theater” rule as it were….democrats recently have fomented violence, including Hillary, Biden, pelosi, etc by calling GOP and followers terrorists, Nazis, etc. the guy running in Ohio vs JD Vance even said Maga needs to be killed! No worries or concern from the supposed mainstream. It’s a two way street. Make no mistake however, freedoms are being eroded in the name of so called security.

By the by, I’m an independent because I think all politicians are ge really self absorbed, power hungry elitists, but the msm is very choosy when it comes to calling out folks for things they do all the time…free speech is one of them. When it helps them and they handlers, they love the constitution. When it doesn’t help them they flip out and try to paint the constitution as evil. They think we are stupid. Even Mika On Morning Joe was quoted as saying “we tell the people what to think”. Sad.

B. wrote: "democrats recently have fomented violence, including Hillary, Biden, pelosi, etc by calling GOP and followers terrorists, Nazis, etc. the guy running in Ohio vs JD Vance even said Maga needs to be killed!"

And people wonder why I feel anxious all the time.

Seems we are all on the same page here regarding free speech. Protecting it is one of the biggest challenges facing us today. (Bring back JFK).

MSM: Are you listening?

I think Scott sums it up best when he says:
"Misinformation=information someone doesn't like."

Lance I’m with you! We need to bring some basic civility and decorum along with a heaping dose of common sense back into the political arena. I am a subscriber to J. Krishnamurti’s philosophy which states that anyone in power whether it be politician, media(papers, tv, magazines, movie stars, marketing execs, etc are trying to condition us one way or another. Gaslighting, ad hominem attacks, division are all tactics used to keep us at each other throats for their sick gain. He also said “it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”….we have become sick because we allow our ruling elitist class to tell us what’s best for us, including what we can and can’t say for fear of offending people. Ridiculous!

Evelyn Beatrice Hall once wrote as an illustration of Voltaire’s belief’s “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. This is the attitude we need. Stop hating, start talking. Open our eyes and ears to world around us…it’s ok to not agree on everything and just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t make it hateful or violent.

Scott wrote: "B. wrote: "democrats recently have fomented violence, including Hillary, Biden, pelosi, etc by calling GOP and followers terrorists, Nazis, etc. the guy running in Ohio vs JD Vance even said Maga n..."

Don't feel anxious, Scott. Don't believe the lies.
Find the truth and find peace.

B. wrote: "By the by, I’m an independent because I think all politicians are ge really self absorbed, power hungry elitists, but the msm is very choosy when it comes to calling out folks for things they do al..."

There is only one truth based on facts.
And again, the simple truth is that Biden won the 2020 presidential by 7-8million votes. Period.
But sadly, people believe lots of lies about politicians. And some believe the Big Lie. Some believe Trump won the 2020 election, which is a LIE.

Lance wrote: "Seems we are all on the same page here regarding free speech. Protecting it is one of the biggest challenges facing us today. "

Just to confirm, Lance, I am strongly against spreading lies and calling it "freedom of speech." Too many people are spreading lies and using the lies to call for violence.

I don’t believe trump won, but I do think Biden and his team got up to some shady stuff…it’s even been proven that the fbi kept a lid on any damaging info regarding his and hunter’s illegal dealings with China and Ukraine. It’s also proven that information was held at bay by big tech on purpose. Politicians, especially the Biden’s, care only for themselves. They don’t care about you or me-none of them. It’s a ruse. Ask why they don’t want term limits? Ask why they always vote themselves raises. Ask why they keep us in endless wars. Ask why they divide us base on race, sex, and religion. Ask why they spend trillions of dollars on pork and slush. Ask why the never answer a question simply. It is all one giant chess game for them to grab power, enrich themselves and keep you interested enough to go to the polls to keep them in power. This is not what the founders(at least in USA) envisioned.

Carmen wrote: "Don't feel anxious, Scott. Don't believe the lies."

I don't. Maybe if I did I would be beloved by all and no one would want to kill me.

Carmen:

I’ll also ask yourself to be introspective and be honest: who determines truth? You say you won’t spread misinformation and lies in the name of free speech and you think speech should limited…so how do you know…seriously? What is truth? What are lies? Are the democrats always right? They never lie? Seems like a slippery slope for anyone, especially government to tell anyone what is truth. China and every other communist country does just this-how to think, speak, act, eat, dress, etc. all controlled by their truth, not the truth. I for one would rather live in a society where we can speak freely and disagree politely. If I oh say the sky is green and I disagree-is this a lie? Can only tell people there own eyes, ears and brains are wrong for so long before they get angry.

Scott wrote: "Carmen wrote: "Don't feel anxious, Scott. Don't believe the lies."
I don't. Maybe if I did I would be beloved by all and no one would want to kill me."

Dear Scott,
I honestly don't know what to say.
If you truly believe someone is trying to kill you, you might want to seek professional help. Anxiety and stress is very serious.

B. wrote: "Carmen:
I’ll also ask yourself to be introspective and be honest: who determines truth? You say you won’t spread misinformation and lies in the name of free speech and you think speech should limi..."

Dear B,
The question of 'What is Truth?' can be traced back 2,000 years to Pontius Pilate and the crucifixion of Christ.
All I can say is that given the choice between truth based on facts or "truth" based on hearsay, I much rather follow the facts. One can go crazy listening to millions of little voices freely stating whatever comes to mind.

Carmen wrote: "I honestly don't k..."

I think you need to refer back to the previous post...

I mean the president thinks I am an enemy of the people so...

But yes I do have severe anxiety from 2+ years of isolation and constant psychological attacks.

The internet seems now to be being used as a propaganda machine by the few!! At least most of us see through it all it's educating the others that's the problem!

Scott wrote: "Carmen wrote: "I honestly don't k..."
I mean the president thinks I am an enemy of the people so...
But yes I do have severe anxiety from 2..."

Dear Scott,
What evidence do you have that the president even knows you exist? You write like you are a character in the Orwell novel 1984.
Fiction speaks to inner truths, but fiction is not factual.
Likewise, psychological attacks come from the inner psyche. Reality is based on objective facts. So let's begin with facts.

Beth wrote: "The internet seems now to be being used as a propaganda machine by the few!! At least most of us see through it all it's educating the others that's the problem!"

Couldn't agree more, Beth.

Carmen wrote: "What evidence do you have that the president even knows you exist?"

The unvaccinated are a threat.

Trump "supporters" are a threat.

If you're not with him...

These are all things he has said. I am sure video evidence still exists if you would like to look.

Scott you are correct. He and the entire party have continued to label conservative, GOP and MAGA as “other”…speaking of truth, to your point, it’s very easy for people to look up Biden singling our conservatives as antithetical to freedom. Hillary just was on msm comparing trump supporters to Nazis. Multiple more dem congressmen and women along with the apparatchik media have done the same. It’s so easy to view yet people will tell you that you are crazy. It’s gaslighting 101. Btw, modern politicians have nothing to do with Christianity, as even Biden and pelosi stand counter to just about every Christian/Catholic value. We are living in Orwellian times, just turn on the tv and you can get your 5 minutes of hate any time of day or night. It’s now regularly scheduled and on tap!

Thank you B.

Scott wrote: "Carmen wrote: "What evidence do you have that the president even knows you exist?"
The unvaccinated are a threat.
Trump "supporters" are a threat.
If you're not with him...
These are all thing..."

Dear Scott,
I agree that SOME Trump supporters are bullies.
And even a smaller group of Trump supporters are criminals.

But again, we can live our lives in fear.
Or we can stay away from bad actors and live in peace.

I for one, rather live in peace.

Hey, they're just playing the control game with the uneducated masses!!!!!! At least that's that's what they think??
Hey Scott better get some Martial Arts and Bomb training in if they have you in their sights.....

Beth wrote: "Hey, they're just playing the control game with the uneducated masses!!!!!! At least that's that's what they think??
Hey Scott better get some Martial Arts and Bomb training in if they have you in..."

These 'games' do all seem to be about control, don't they Beth?

Scott wrote: "Thank you B."

Hey Scott hope you're O.K. and just to make clear I'm on your side, chin up. The Martial Arts comment was meant to cheer you up.

“If a government can censor its critics, that’s a license for every atrocity. It is the beginning of totalitarianism." Robert F. Kennedy Jr., oral testimony to the House Weaponization of the Federal Government hearing, July 20, 2023

This is a must-watch for anyone concerned about censorship and the loss of free speech...
https://outlook.live.com/mail/0/inbox...

When I think of free speech or, commonly called, freedom of speech, I think of protesting for some reason.

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I feel like, free speech isn’t what it was before. Over time it changed. For whatever reason, we got violent with it all. Maybe our government stopped listening.
I’m not even sure. Freedom of speech, I support it all the way until it gets violent. Like, why the violence?? There is no reason for it.

Even when there’s little groups of people expressing their love for god, I could see hate over peoples faces on the streets. Maybe it’s the fact that they’re loud?

We all have our own opinions, but, people also need to realize that there’s always going to be an opposing side. That is what free speech is. Expressing our different thoughts and opinions.

I think it’s wrong when in certain situations you’re afraid to say what you think because of peoples reactions, or hey, maybe you’ll get fired or something worse.

Yes, there is a point to were your opinions should be kept to yourself, but… I don’t know

I’m not even sure what freedom of speech is anymore.

It seems also like, the government is against it all, if we speak our opinions or theory’s about them, they get offended or take down a video or something.

Some people out there can’t spread truth, because the government wants to hide it all. I’m not sure if “spreading the truth” would be considered freedom of speech. (hide spoiler)]

Zuckerberg has admitted that the Biden administration pressured him into cancelling people and censoring opinions. He now admits that it was wrong. Too late to undo the damage of censoring news of Hunter's laptop before the election. Election interference in favor of Biden.