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message 1: by Hugh (last edited Nov 02, 2022 07:03AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
I am getting behind with typing up the chapter summaries but will try and complete the ones for this section tomorrow.

This section covers chapters 13 to 15 of the First Scene and the first Between the Scenes section.

Chapter summaries (beware spoilers)
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message 2: by Brian E (last edited Nov 12, 2022 09:47AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments This had some lengthy chapters but I enjoyed Vanstone's backstory and all the storylines in this section so they didn't feel overly long..

I did appreciate Norah's reaction to her status as I couldn't have taken much more of her continuing to be a pill all the time. However, her attempt to dispose of the theater agent's card without Magdalen's permission does show that she will still be a pill - just a part-time one now. I still enjoy Magdalen's dynamic personality significantly more - it's the key to the dynamics in this story.

Early on, it was commented that Miss Garth favored Magdalen and, in this section, she apologizes to Norah for this as she feels more aware of Norah's value now. However, I thought Garth's actions in the previous sections always showed a preference for Norah despite the narration's claim of her preference for Magdalen.


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Ellen Librarian (ellenlibrarian) | 172 comments I'm intrigued to find out where Magdalen went.


Linda | 1425 comments Chapter 13:
So my suspicion that Mr Vanstone was previously married was correct. But I was confused on how he and Mrs Vanstone just now getting married affected the inheritance - by making his original will null. And there’s the explanation for why it wasn’t corrected immediately after the marriage. And now the birth of the legitimate baby throws a wrench into Mrs Vanstone’s wealth being able to be passed down to her daughters. So complicated!


Linda | 1425 comments I am also enjoying Magdalen’s dynamic personality. It was interesting to hear Miss Garth’s interpretation that Magdalen has sunny exterior presence but with an underlying darkness. Whereas Norah portrays a subdued and quiet character, but contains a thoughtful and generous character within. Although I was also shocked at her flinging the theatre card so carelessly.


Linda | 1425 comments After the painfully slow reveal of the girls’ illegitimate status given by the lawyer in last week’s section, Mr Clare climbed the ladder in my eyes in this week’s section when he immediately stated upon entering the morning room, “Bad news. I am an enemy to all unnecessary suspense. Plainness is kindness in such a case as this. I mean to be kind - and I tell you plainly - bad news.” Just right to the point, no unnecessary hand wringing while waiting for information to be slowly doled out regarding Michael Vanstone’s reply.


Linda | 1425 comments Also, did people typically write letters that were this long?? Norah’s letter to Mr Pendril was quite the book! It was over six pages in my book, single spaced and type-written. I couldn’t help but wonder how many hand written pages that translated to. 😂


message 8: by Jen (last edited Nov 14, 2022 04:14AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Jen | 67 comments I like how tragic events occur suddenly and take the story on a different course (not that it’s a surprise for events to unfold this way, but the timing was welcome).

I found it implausible that the parents wouldn’t have made special arrangements for the girls / wouldn’t have know the inheritance issues at that time. But then again my will is woefully outdated so who am I to say - no one expects tragic events.

This is a very different kind of book from the two ‘big’ Collins titles I’ve read. The serial nature of its publication is much more pronounced. It feels closer to Dickens in that way.


Hugh (bodachliath) | 316 comments Mod
Jen wrote: "I found it implausible that the parents wouldn’t have made special arrangements for the girls / wouldn’t have know the inheritance issues at that time. But then again my will is woefully outdated so who am I to say - no one expects tragic events. "
Collins/Pendril does try to explain this. What Mr Vanstone was unaware of was the law that said that a marriage invalidates any existing will. Had he died before the marriage his earlier will would have been fine.


message 10: by Jen (new) - rated it 3 stars

Jen | 67 comments Thanks Hugh that’s helpful. I have to admit, listening to the audio there have been times my attention has slipped and this was one, clearly!


Nidhi Kumari Collins has a way of creating suspense, I think Magdalen’s behaviour was vengeful at this stage. I am enjoying this book, as I enjoyed his other books , I couldn’t put them down and I can’t put this down either.

Collins has epistolary form in between the scenes, even then the book is so lengthy.


message 12: by Brian E (last edited Nov 23, 2022 07:15AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Brian E Reynolds | 148 comments Nidhi wrote: "Collins has epistolary form in between the scenes, even then the book is so lengthy."

I was looking forward to reading a 700+ page Collins that used a consistent narrative voice rather than the ever changing voice in his two major epistolary novels. Yet I smile when the epistolary form appears in the Between the Scenes portions - I picture Collins as an addict who can't help himself - "let me use just a little bit, please - it'll only be a few letters, I promise! Hey, what if I make them journal entries?"
I find that these short epistolary appearances work well and, as Linda observes in a future post, the Between the Scenes sections have proven to be valuable additions that improve the quality of the narration.


Nidhi Kumari Yes, I agree, these letters are more informative about the back ground plot, which will be tiresome if told in regular paragraphs.


Linda | 1425 comments Brian E wrote: "Yet I smile when the epistolary form appears in the Between the Scenes portions - I picture Collins as an addict who can't help himself - "let me use just a little bit, please - it'll only be a few letters, I promise! Hey, what if I make them journal entries?""

Ha ha! This was funny. :)


Dianne I'm way behind you guys as I just finished this section. Did you find the dismissive attitude of Michael Vanstone to be believable? The 100 pounds seemed exceptionally hard hearted. I'm curious as to what our actress sister is up to. I suspect she is seeking to not be found, and has some tricks up her sleeve.


Nidhi Kumari I too have doubts regarding Michael Vanstone's act . It seems someone else is acting on his part and he is being kept in dark about many things.


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