Penryn and the End of Days Re-Read discussion

Im counting the days ( I believe like everyone here) for the 3rd book! I wanted to know what your predictions are! Personally I haveno idea where the story is going lol there are so many twists in the previous two books ... But we can teyry to guess! It's fun! Realky curious to read everyone's predictions...

Oh, I'm already love this topic!

Guys, what do you think about Raffe's and Beliel's past? I mean that moment when Beliel says Penryn that Raffe is traitor and liar. Maybe Beliel was one of his Watchers and when he felt he prefer to become a demon rather than wait for Judgement Day? And that's why Beliel hates Raffe so much? And that's why he was so amused when he saw Penryn and Raffe together at the angel's-massacre-party.

Never thought about it Katherin! It makes sooo much sense! Im dying to get more Raffe's past !

Never thought about it Katherin! It makes sooo much sense! Im dying to get more Raffe's past !

Never thought about it Katherin! It makes sooo much sense! Im dying to get more Raffe's past !

Never thought about it Katherin! It makes sooo much sense! Im dying to get more Raffe's past !

Katerina wrote: "Oh, I'm already love this topic!

Guys, what do you think about Raffe's and Beliel's past? I mean that moment when Beliel says Penryn that Raffe is traitor and liar. Maybe Beliel was one of his Wa..."


That's a very interesting thought... what if, like you said, Beliel was a watcher and what makes him think Raffe a liar is that Raffe had promised to protect the wives but couldn't save them all. Maybe it wouldn't matter to Beliel that Raffe tried, that some of the women ran from him and got chewed up by the hounds 'cause they got scared in the middle of the fight. What if the reason he became a demon was because he was so angry about losing his wife?

But Penryn isn't the only one he told about people lying and no one caring. He said that stuff to Paige too in World After.

My question is would Beliel be the same after what happened to him. I mean the last we saw/read of him was when he was little more than a husk on which Paige rode away from the second aerie.
I mean, Paige was the one responsible for his state but at the end there is seemed like she didn't want to leave him. Not just her being afraid or anything, she clutched to the wrinkly ugly, chewed up leather skin thing that was Beliel and didn't want to let go so I'm assuming she still cares for him and would actually physically care for him. So would that change him or do you think he would act different and then just screw everyone in the end?

What if the reason he became a demon was because he was so angry about losing his wife?

Very good point! And if Beliel lost his wive because of Raffe (as he might think) he would love to take from him Penryn. He was glad too see her alive because he wanted to kill her himself.

But Penryn isn't the only one he told about people lying and no one caring. He said that stuff to Paige too in World After.

I think Beliel hurts, he thought that Raffe will help his Watchers but he let them go to hell and chose rules over friends. And then he killed their children, didn't save his wives... And maybe Raffe didn't come back to Heaven (or whatever they all live in) just because he thought he let down his friends and he was ashamed.

My question is would Beliel be the same after what happened to him.

Good question. It seems he would. Scorpions aren't angel's swords and maybe he will be healed after several days.

So would that change him or do you think he would act different and then just screw everyone in the end?

Oh, and I think Beliel was a lil bit came under Page's spell because she reminds him about his own child (as "broken" and "wrhacked" as Paige is). And remember this sentence from End of Days blirb "As unlikely alliances form and strategies shift, who will emerge victorious?"!? May be it's Beliel who will enter into alliance with Penryn and Raffe!? It would be awesome because I kinda like Beliel (yeah, he's pretty interesting character).

And wings! Beliel is so obsessed with Raffe's wings because he had his own in the past and lost it because of Raffe. And rememver what he said to Raffe on the pier! He forgot how many rules there are in the angel's world. You can forget just those thing you knew before. And he obviously did. In the forst book he said Raffe: "You'd make an excellent archdemon." His smile dries up. "Too bad I don't care to have you as my boss." See it? I think he might mean "again", he doesn't want to have Raffe as his boos again.

Katerina wrote: "May be it's Beliel who will enter into alliance with Penryn and Raffe!?"


I can definitely see that happening.
As far as the alliances, yes. Maybe. If Beliel doesn't betray them I can see him and Raffe maybe training the Locusts? Teaching them how to fight against the Angels.
It's going to be interesting to read how the Monkey Resistance handles an alliance with--total assumption--the Locusts.


And wings!

This! I keep looking to the cover for the answer. I mean if you look at them (at least for the first two) they kinda told us something with regards to Raffe's wings.
Angelfall has the white wings on the front and the whole book up until the end was about Raffe losing his wings and carrying his wings and trying to get them back on. Even pen referred to the wings a lot. How beautiful they were and how messed up they got. The knick from her scissor threat and how the winds even looked sickly on Beliel.
World After had the look of Raffe's demon wings. And even though there wasn't a whole lot of Raffe in the beginning, his leather bat ling wigs were highlighted many times. From his developing skill to being unbelievably scary with them. How he'd covered them up with feathers and no one knew the difference. How the other angels reacted to the sight of those things. Even how helpful they were, almost comforting to her when they were at that beach house warming up.
So when you look at End of Days cover with the wings exploding and all that... it makes me wonder if that means Raffe isn't going to have wings anymore. Or if he won't need his feather wings. Maybe he gets new ones? Or could Pen get wings? hahaha Idk.
Maybe it also means that the angels lose big time.
Maybe the wings on the book covers are also metaphors for the way the world was/is/will be. Or the ideals of mankind. Expectations etc.


"You'd make an excellent archdemon." His smile dries up. "Too bad I don't care to have you as my boss." See it? I think he might mean "again"

I can read how you got that. Yeah, I can hear an 'again' in there.
There is also this:
"Night grabs the remaining wing and yanks it open.
"If it was up to me, I'd let you go," Says Night. There's enough admiration in his voice to make me suspect he might mean it. "But we all have our orders."

That's from the beginning and we know from Pen that Night was Beliel so....

but then, maybe Beliel just doesn't like having a boss and prefers running his own stuff. And maybe the admiration was because Raffe is The Wrath of God and, well, to quote him "[He's] been this perfect since the beginning of time." hahaha

So when you look at End of Days cover with the wings exploding and all that... it makes me wonder if that means Raffe isn't going to have wings anymore. Or if he won't need his feather wings. Maybe he gets new ones? Or could Pen get wings? hahaha Idk.

I thought about it, too! And I think Raffe would deside to stay on earth as a human)

And here

"Night grabs the remaining wing and yanks it open.
"If it was up to me, I'd let you go," Says Night. There's enough admiration in his voice to make me suspect he might mean it. "But we all have our orders."

I woud rather mark this sentence: "But we all have our orders." It's like: You, Raffe, had your order to bury me in to hell and now I have mine to cut your wings. We're even-steven.

but then, maybe Beliel just doesn't like having a boss and prefers running his own stuff. And maybe the admiration was because Raffe is The Wrath of God and, well, to quote him "[He's] been this perfect since the beginning of time." hahaha

Haha, yeah, I think that's the reason! The best one))

Actually, Beliel may not be an ex-whatchers but he still can be useful in this war between angels and humans. More than that with him around Pen and Raffe we'll have even more sarcasm and fun when in the Angelfall! He's like a troll in their lives :D

very interesting thread, guys! I like your theories. I agree, my thoughts went in the same direction!

I definteley think that there is another Daughter of Man involved and that Beliel was in love with her. And that she died because of Raffe for some reason.
It could either be, because he couldn't protect her (which would explain the "he's a liar" statement) or that she followed Raffe around,trying to win his love and got killed by helllions/nephilim.

I think so, because Beliel says in WA "No matter how much you love someone or how much you do for them, you're never good enough for them"

i don't know. It sounds like he was in love with a daughter of man, but she wasn't interested because a minion like Beliel (this would also explain why Beliel freaks out so badly when Raffe tells him that he will always be no more than a minion) wasn't good enough for her. Not as good as an Archangel
You get my drift here?

In the excerpt, Beliel continuously points out Raffe being an Archangel in a bitter, scoffing way ( "Special enough to win an archangel's love?" "That archangel you're so enarmourde with") I always found that odd...

The whole Raffe was his boss thing. I can totally see that. It could be true!!

I love the idea that Raffe and Beliel have history in how Beliel had a human wife that Raffe failed to protect. I also think that Beliel is just flat out jealous of RAffe and is using anything and eveything to use against him, including his friendship/feelings for Penryn.

There is definitly something speical about Paige and I think she is key to stopping the angel's plans.

I hope that Raffe gets his wings back.
I want there will be more Raffe and Penryn romantic moments.
I hope that Paige gets better.
I want to learn more about Raffe's past.
I wonder if Raffe has any angel friends that will be willing to help him.

I love all your theories and I do think that Beliel could have played a role in Raffe's past.
Idk, it's so weird, but what if Gabriel was shot but recovered later. Maybe he's not dead at all and he's the "unlikely alliance" ?
Just a thought.

HurrikanKathrina, you're right! This theory makes sense too. And Beliel said that Penryn isn't the one Daughter of Man in Raffe' life, that he left another one (at least) behind. Maybe Beliel loved that girl but she prefer Raffe? Raffe didn't answer for her feelings but Beliel has his own point of view.

Idk, it's so weird, but what if Gabriel was shot but recovered later. Maybe he's not dead at all and he's the "unlikely alliance" ?

Kati, we share the same thought! More than that, I think we will see and Michael, and Gabriel in End of Days! Gabriel isn't dead. His body isn't found. Yes, he was shot but we know that human bullets can't kill an angel. Hah? Michael went gallivanting on the seven seas and he can find Gabriel) Or Gabriel will find all of them by himself. But I guess it will happen near to the end and then he'll cope with situation.

Katerina wrote: "HurrikanKathrina, you're right! This theory makes sense too. And Beliel said that Penryn isn't the one Daughter of Man in Raffe' life, that he left another one (at least) behind. Maybe Beliel loved..."

Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're right. For me it's so logical for Gabriel to show up!

These theories are definitely Alot of food for thought. But I can surely say that no one really can predict penryn's and raffe's relationship because Raffe cannot become fallen or else all the angels will turn against him and if Raffe leaves Penryn... then I shudder to think, I mean one of my most favourite parts of the book are of penryn and raffe's sarcastic exchanges. Theories about THIS VERY IMPORTANT THING are welcome!

Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're right. For me it's so logical for Gabriel to show up!


I hope he's sexy and older than others. I mean, it could be a motorcade of generosity: Unprecedented top offer! An archangel to every Daughter of Man in the Young's family! Hie yourself, crazy darlings!
Aaaaand Gabriel goes toooo Mrs. Young! :D

Katerina wrote: "Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're right. For me it's so logical for Gabriel to ..."

I ship it :)
lol, I kind of picture Michael with a military uniform, never laughing, never smiling and Gabriel and Raffe just mocking him all the time :D
And Gabriel's like super melodramatic <3

Esha wrote: "These theories are definitely Alot of food for thought. But I can surely say that no one really can predict penryn's and raffe's relationship because Raffe cannot become fallen or else all the ange..."

I love their sarcasm-battles too!)

And about love... oh, yes, this can be just on the flirt-level stage. But if Raffe will choose to stay on earth... and become a man if it possible... Bit you know what? I think it spoil the whole story. The most adorable think about this series is love without love, these heart aflutter and anticipation... If they end up like a normal couple it would be awesome for a moment and awful for a lifetime. So I just hope for more sarcasm, kisses and even third-base scenes. But then we'll have to let Raffe go. It's sad but right thing to do(

I ship it :)
lol, I kind of picture Michael with a military uniform, never laughing, never smiling and Gabriel and Raffe just mocking him all the time :D
And Gabriel's like super melodramatic <3


Aha, Michael wears a military uniform, Gabriel a nice suit (Barney Stinson style) and Raffe's always topless :D

Katerina wrote: "Esha wrote: "These theories are definitely Alot of food for thought. But I can surely say that no one really can predict penryn's and raffe's relationship because Raffe cannot become fallen or else..."

I disagree.
I would be very sad if they didn't get a happy ending. Of course, the main reason is that I just want them to be together, but on the other hand, them going on seperate ways would be the easy way out. It's what the readers been told from the first book.
Everyone speculates about how Susan is eventually going to turn it around and have them work it out.
To just NOT have them work it out would be the easy way out and would feel very unfulfilling.

There is this thinking in a lot of people's head that Happy Endings are always cheesy, far fetched and the "easy" way to end a book.
I disagree. When presented with a dark, hopeless situation, turning it around in a clever, unpredicted way is what I truly admire in authors. I think that often bad endings are just for the authros lack of creativity or trying. And then some people think "Oh, look, not a happy ending, that means the author is so differentand inventive, LIKE!" Whereas I think it's actually a lot harder to end off a series in a satisfying, elegant, GOOD way.

Just look at Harry Potter. The people that bitch about the ending basically just said "Uh, it's so boring, because it'S HAPPY, that's so predictable." But how was the ending predictable? No one could predict all the plot, the information and the twist at the end that ultimately turned the situation around for our heros. THAT is inventive and a good wrap up. But of course, J. K could've jsut leant back and let Harry die. Some people would've called that "creative". It's really just the easy way out, though. I've almost ALWAYS hated bad endings, because I felt like the author was botherin more with "realism" or something like that, then with an inventive, unexpected plot twist/turnaround.

To just NOT have them work it out would be the easy way out and would feel very unfulfilling.

Hm... there's something in it.
The whole angels-humans problem was based on their children. At the dawn of human society there isn't such a thing like contraceptives but now we have it. No nephilims - no problems :)

Right? I'm going to justify a Raffryn Happy Ending till... well the end of days...

Yeah, I wonder why they don't just use condoms? Actually, does anyone has a theory about that? I mean angels and protection etc. I feel like Uriel's entire campaign is based on 'vote for me and you can finally have sex with daughters of men'... why doesn#t anyone just hand them a couple of rubbers?

Oh, and I think there could be Happy End even if Raffe will go away (I would love if he will stay but he's archangel and he's been like archangel like forever and I guess he'll be archangel for several forevers more). People will won the war or angels will know how Uriel was manipulating with them and they step back. It's kinda happy ending too.

Raffe's immortal. He and Penryn would be together just in case Raffe become a man. And we can see no wings on the cover, so... maybe he will!?

HurrikanKathrina wrote: "Right? I'm going to justify a Raffryn Happy Ending till... well the end of days...

Yeah, I wonder why they don't just use condoms? Actually, does anyone has a theory about that? I mean angels and..."

Haha, I'll second that! And what about angels world? Is there just Leila? One woman for entire society? Not fair. No wonders the angels lech for the Daughters of Man.

Lol, I don't think so :D I think that not all the angels came to earth, mostly warriors, and those are only males.

Layla came down because she was needed.

Penryn says in the second book that there are some female angels around, just not many^^

Katerina wrote: "I ship it :)
lol, I kind of picture Michael with a military uniform, never laughing, never smiling and Gabriel and Raffe just mocking him all the time :D
And Gabriel's like super melodramatic <3


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YES! EXACTLY! PLS, I WANT TO SEE IT <3

HurrikanKathrina wrote: "Right? I'm going to justify a Raffryn Happy Ending till... well the end of days...

Yeah, I wonder why they don't just use condoms? Actually, does anyone has a theory about that? I mean angels and..." Actually a pretty good point, I kept waiting for someone to point out the obvious I envisioned it as a really awkward scene between Raffe and Penryn.

maybe we'll get that in the 3rd book :D They're just raiding a supermarket and they come across this shelve and Raffe is all like "What's this?"
And Pen goes like "Um... that's a condom?!" And well... she gets to give him the talk sorta. Yeah, I actually would really like that :D:D

It is possible that they don't know. Remember how Raffe didn't know how to use blister packs or what they were?

I'm up for the Gabriel prediction of him still being alive.
Sometimes I think that this problem with Uriel and his minions, the Locusts and labs, all the partying and tempting the angels against the laws might be part of Gabriel's (or God's via Gabriel) plan for coming to earth.

Remember, when Pen was playing twin in the second aerie and she was listening to Uriel and Laylah talk? Remember when he was talking about their project having taken 10 months but Pen noted that they'd only been on Earth for 2 or something?
That means this stuff, all of Uriel's planning was happening way before they even arrived.
So either, this whole thing was Gabriel's plan to weed out Uriel and his bad seed supporters OR Gabriel was actually part of Uriel's screwed up plans....

If Gabriel was.... or is, maybe he made a deal with Uriel; Gabriel didn't want to be messenger anymore and Uriel did.


I think I prefer this all to be one big sting operation and Gabriel is hiding somewhere observing, while the remaining archangels are put to the test.

"Unlikely alliance " could also mean Obi and Raffe (humans and angel) joining together? Do you guys see that?

Also, Penryn dreamt of those locusts before she knew about them. I am really curious about that as to how she was able to do that.

I also feel Gabriel is alive and either healing or hiding.

Katerina wrote: "Oh, I'm already love this topic!

Guys, what do you think about Raffe's and Beliel's past? I mean that moment when Beliel says Penryn that Raffe is traitor and liar. Maybe Beliel was one of his Wa..."
Good point, I never thought of that

If Gabriel was.... or is, maybe he made a deal with Uriel; Gabriel didn't want to be messenger anymore and Uriel did.

Maybe Gabriel has nothing to do with Uriel's plan. Uriel could start preparations for apocalypse and when Gabriel knows he came down on earth with angel-legion to destroy laboratories etc. Then Uriel could make a fake Gabriel-death to set angels against human, to make them believe that he's a good guy and Judgment Day is coming. Maybe Gabriel is holding somewhere as a hostage. Maybe Michael didn't believe Uriel and now he's searching for Gabriel under color of military businesses.

HurrikanKathrina wrote: "Lol, I don't think so :D I think that not all the angels came to earth, mostly warriors, and those are only males."

Exactly! They came to fight. Gabriel really could come to fight Uriel and his creatures. And was trapped.

It is possible that they don't know. Remember how Raffe didn't know how to use blister packs or what they were?

Yeah, I think when/if Ren and Raffe will find a condom she could show him how to use it like it was with blister. I guess this time she shouldn't skip this part: “That’s a pretty intimate demand in the angel world. It usually takes dinner, some wine, and sparkling conversation...”

anjuli wrote: ""Unlikely alliance " could also mean Obi and Raffe (humans and angel) joining together? Do you guys see that?

Also, Penryn dreamt of those locusts before she knew about them. I am really curious a..."

Hm... maybe Gabriel (if he knows what's going on) sent her a certain dream? I'm not sure if he's able to do such a thing but... Or maybe Paige can do this? She has some connections with scorpions so maybe she can do this with everybody's mind? She wanted Pen to rescue her and she sent her some cue in the form of a dream. Or Renryn is a prophetess :D I'm really curious about that too!

Obi and Raffe together? Yes, it might well be. And locust. And maybe Gabriel. Or Beliel. There are too many possibilities) And I have no patience to know the right answer.

"If they end up like a normal couple it would be awesome for a moment and awful for a lifetime."
Yesss, totally agree with you. But this really will be the easy way out... On the other hand,

"When presented with a dark, hopeless situation, turning it around in a clever, unpredicted way is what I truly admire in authors."
Dude, that is just SO TRUE though I still think that there is so much we don't know about the World Before and so many information loopholes that I bet susan would have to come up with some real wacky inventive details. I'm stumped for the Judgement Day because if Raffe becomes the messenger maybe he could have some amount of control in the rules and then again there is also the concept of guardian angels.

"Unlikely Alliance"
I think the alliance definitely refers to beliel and raffe because what else would they do with him?! I mean I don't know why but maybe there is some redemption in store for him. But then again, this is just speculation.

"I kind of picture Michael with a military uniform, never laughing, never smiling and Gabriel and Raffe just mocking him all the time :D
And Gabriel's like super melodramatic <3"
THAT IS A SO SO COOL AND HILARIOUS IDEA.

"Yeah, I wonder why they don't just use condoms?"
Angels are dumb.


"I also feel Gabriel is alive and either healing or hiding."
I don't really think Gabriel is healing or because we saw how at the attack on the aerie the angels simply healed from the gunshot wounds so easily.
Actually I see three cases here:
(1) Maybe Gabriel is being held hostage like some of you guys said because he is afterall the messenger and angels do need god's gospel.
(2) Michael, Raffe and Gabriel team up against badass Uriel. Remember how Michael did not want to be the messenger. Maybe he IS leading a rescue op
(3) Gabriel is dead. After the broadcast of his "so-called" death he was really sliced up by the angels led by Uriel but I still don't get why any angel would kill their own messenger, sounds insane and stupid.


..... and that's why I could never become an author.

..... and that's why I could never become an author.

haha, don't be so sure!) you definitely can write an angel thriller!)

If they end up like a normal couple it would be awesome for a moment and awful for a lifetime."
Yesss, totally agree with you. But this really will be the easy way out... On the other hand,

"When presented with a dark, hopeless situation, turning it around in a clever, unpredicted way is what I truly admire in authors."

Yep, after HurrikanKathrina's words I think about it too. She's more than right and your guess...

I'm stumped for the Judgement Day because if Raffe becomes the messenger maybe he could have some amount of control in the rules and then again there is also the concept of guardian angels.

has a sense! But then again, Raffe's immortal. Even he and Pen could be together she'll die someday. They need some other option: Pen becomes an immortal or Raffe becomes a man. And then we'll have our Happy and Logical Ending)

All these predictions makes me realize how utterly desperate I am for End of Days

Esha wrote: "All these predictions makes me realize how utterly desperate I am for End of Days"

Definitely!


Has anyone thought that Pen could end up being the messenger?

Like it was pointed out earlier, she did have that dream about the locusts. which also had her in the water swimming around like she'd been when she fell. and then her mom on the boat (maybe i'm seeing too much)

but what if i'm not? What if Penryn becomes the new/next messenger. and since she's human that could turn things around.

and what about her dreams. Haven't they both had her, her mother, and Paige in them? So what if it's a three person deal one for the humans, one for the angels, and one for the locusts?

eh. probably too far fetched.... it's just that.... Pen is a HUMAN who wields an ARCHANGEL SWORD. and has DREAMS that could be interpreted as premonitions.
she had an Archangel with demon wings by her side. She has a sister who can control/communicate/is protected by the Locusts. And her mother is INSANE but not exactly inept.
Messenger just seems appropriate. I mean talk about blow to the angel horde to have a HUMAN MONKEY as the messenger.

isn't there a quote somewhere that says he who is the messenger controls the horde?
Can you imagine Penryn telling the angels to back the heck off and--because you know there would be--after beating any challenges(me thinks Uriel would be one) all them freaky angels LISTENING to her?

Idk. It sounds totally AWESOME.... with a minor potential of sucky.

Mita wrote: "Esha wrote: "All these predictions makes me realize how utterly desperate I am for End of Days"

Definitely!


Has anyone thought that Pen could end up being the messenger?

Like it was pointed out..."

OMG. I have goosebumps like everywhere. It could be awesome! Especially I love this sentence:

and what about her dreams. Haven't they both had her, her mother, and Paige in them? So what if it's a three person deal one for the humans, one for the angels, and one for the locusts?

I don't know would Penryn the next Messenger or not but if so this scene (she's kicking angels away) will be even more powerful than the scene with all the angels swords falls down before her (and Pooky Bear of course)).

Another thing is her still being able to use Pookybear. Human wielding an angel sword AND be able to kill a warrior angel with it. Something nobody has heard of.

Do you guys think Penryn's dad is alive?

I really hope Raffe and Penryn end up together happy. However, it is hard to see at this point how it will end up being. As he can't be a fallen. And, being without wings will make him miserable in the long run. It just seems someone will have to sacrifice something to make it work. Q is who will and what will the sacrifice be?

Mita wrote: "Esha wrote: "All these predictions makes me realize how utterly desperate I am for End of Days"

Definitely!
Has anyone thought that Pen could end up being the messenger?
Like it was pointed out..."

Omg! Yes! Since I read the book, I remember her having the dream and them the dream becoming true! Never whent out my mind!
Those wings on the new cover are like exploting... From "someone" back.... They are relative small... And she did hold the sword! (Hellouuuu maybe we are crazy after all)

I wonder too about her dad, may he be a angel? And that's why her mother it's so tormented by demons? Trying to kill her!!! And that's why she can't remember how she injury her baby girl, and always act crazy when Penryn was asleep... Sooo many options, but one things for sure it's we a happy ending! I am tire of sadnes in this real world!

Hmmm...
Pen's dad.
that's interesting

I think Penryn is pure human, I don't know where her dad is but he's definitely isn't an angel. Angel + Human = Creepy Nephilim. Pen isn't creepy)) Her mother has schizophrenia. That's why she sees demons and hand on the walls. And she can hold an angel's sword just because this sword wanted to protect Ruffe and gave her a permission. But Penryn's dreams still interesting thing. I suggest she's kinda prophets)

I read a fan fic called Part Angel that had a great idea. It's on fanfiction.net x

Each book has paige kidnaped/disappeared but at the end of World After I think the next book won't focus on her as much, though I do think Pooky Bear, Raffe, and Penryn should stay together.

Katerina wrote: " Angel + Human = Creepy Nephilim. "


Exactly. Yeah, Pen's da is human, and I'm thinking he's dead. There was one thought Penryn had about her father's gravestone, not that she actually knows as fact her dad is dead but considering this is the girl with the premonition dreams about the Locusts, I'm willing to believe she's right on her da being dead.


You know who I thought might be an angel is disguise though?

Dee-Dum.

It was for a second. I mean I know they are human now but still.. they are just sooooo strange and awesome and sneaky. They have this skill and wisdom that seems so unreal sometimes.
Yeah they did the whole mud fight thing--which was funny and dorky and totally male, but still... there are things. It's like they are always there, at the right place at the right time. I don't know if it was just Susan Ee using them because we know and like them, they are the familiars to us readers, or if there is something... special about them that they are everywhere Pen needs them.

Like...

Dee holds up a slim leather case and dangles it like bait. "How about a bonus for ripping her shirt off?"
My hands fly to my pants pocket where my lock picking set should be. My pocket is flat and empty. "Hey, that's mine!" I make a grab for it but it disappears from Dee's hand. I hadn't seen him move. "How'd you do that?"
"Now you see it," says Dum, waving the case. How it got from Dee to Dum I have no idea. They're standing next to each other but still, I should have seen something. They it's gone again.
"Now you don't."

A waiter in a tux and white gloves steps in front of me, breaking the eye contact between me and the Politician. He offers flutes of bubbly champagne on his tray.
To tall, I take one. I focus on the rising bubbles in the golden liquid to center myself. The waiter turns and I catch a glimpse of the Politician.
He leans into the warrior's table and talks in a low tone.
I let out a sigh of relief. Our moment has passed.
"Thank you," I murmur to the waiter with great relief.
"You're welcome, miss."
Something familiar about his voice makes me glance up at the waiter to see his face for the first time. Until now, I'd been so distracted by the Politician that I hadn't really looked at my savior.
My eyes widen in shock at the red haired, freckled-nosed face. It's one of the twins, Dee or Dum.
The look he gives me is one of blank professionalism. Absolutely no sign of recognition or surprise.
Wow, he's good. I never would have guessed it based on my interactions with him before. But they had mentioned that they were Obi's spymasters, hadn't they? I assumed they were joking or exaggerating, but maybe not.
He gives a little bow and drifts away. I keep expecting him to turn around and flash me a mischievous grin but he walks stiff-backed and offers drinks to people. Who would have thought?
I casually step behind a crowd to hide myself from the Polician. Did Dee-Dum know that he was rescuing me or was that a happy coincidence?

Someone knocks on the door.
Laylah stiffens in alarm. Josiah looks like he's just been condemmed to Hell.
"It's just my dinner," says Raffe. He opens the door before anyone can scramble away.
In the doorway stands Dee-Dum.

Someone bangs on the truck's roof.
We all jump, and I'm lucky the soldier doesn't accidentally pull his trigger.
The rear window slides open and Dee's head sticks through. He'd look stern except that it's hard to take him too seriously with his red hair and little-boy freckles. "Hey! Back off from the dead girl. She's Resistance property."
"Yeah," says his twin brother Dum from inside the cab. "We need her for autopsies and stuff. You this girls killed by demon princes are easy to find?" As usual, I can't tell the twins apart, so I randomly assign Dee for one and Dum for the other.
"No killing the dead girl,"

His friendly face suddenly becomes serious. "You're naming your collector's-item, kick-ass sword that's made to maim and kill, specifically designed to bring your ginormous enemies to their knees and hear the lamentations of their women--Pooky Bear?"
"Yeah, you like it?"
"Even joking about that is a crime against nature. You know that, right? I'm trying desperately not to make an anti-girl comment right now, but you're making it pretty hard."

"Thank you, Clara," I say. "How did you get the key?"
"Dumb luck," she says. "Those twins with the funny names dropped it just a few feet away from me."
"They...dropped it?" Those guys are the most skilled sleight-of-hand tricksters I've ever seen. Hard to imagine either of them dropping anything.
"Yeah, they were juggling a bunch of things between them as they walked. The key just fell and they didn't notice."
"But you did."
"Sure."
"How did you know it was the key to our police car?"
She lifts the key tag to show me. It's clear plastic holder that's probably meant for pictures. This one frames a piece of aper with a note scrawled in little-kid block letters: "Penryn's police car--Super Secret."
If I ever see the twins again, it looks like I owe them a zombie-girl mud fight.
"I hope they don't get in trouble," says Clara. "They seem like good guys."
"I'd be surprised if anyone knew they ever had the key. Don't worry, they won't get in trouble." But I'm guessing one of their archenemies might.

As we drive by, I get a good look at the drivers. At first, I don't recognize them because of their newly blond hair. But there's no mistaking the freckled faces of Dee and Dum.
I remember the letter I wrote to the ferry captain in case I didn't have enough time to talk to him. I yank it out of my pocket and stare hard at the twins, willing them to see me. They're watching us carefully as we go by, and their gazes snag on me.
I shift my body to block the guards from seeing what I'm doing. I hold up the letter to make sure Dee and Dum see it and then I slip it out the window.
It falls to the ground, but their eyes don't follow it. Instead, they keep their cool and continue their surveillance of the rest of the bus. They don't get out of their cars to pick it up, even though I'm sure they saw the letter drop.

Below us, half-a-dozen boats work their way through the bay. I don't see Captain Jake's ferry. Of course, there's no reason why it should be here, but I can't help but hope that these are the Alcatraz escapees. These boats are smaller and sleeker but still large enough to carry dozens of people each.
Did Dee and Dum manage to bring together a rescue team?
If so, I'm impressed. That would mean they were able to gather enough boats to hopefully get everyone out in one trip. And it looks like they also smartly decided to take advantage of the darkness and fog by traveling over water instead of land.


These guys are like the silent unsung heroes, you know?

I can actually see them having an equally quiet but HUGE impact in the next book. Put their spymaster skills to the test and sneak in to Uriel's camp or something? Maybe even sneak Pen in?

I know they are part of the resistance but they are their own thing too. I can't see them going without in The End of Days. They are awesome. Probably even more so without having any magical/angel-science tie to them.

Also.... Do ya think Doc will teach Paige how to better work her control over the Locusts? And do you think he can help her do something about her eating habits?
If the angels can make her desire to eat humans.... maybe he can find a way to fix that? I don't want Paige to die and I think if she can't eat anything but humans that she just might have to die in the end.

Kati wrote: "Katerina wrote: "Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're right. For me it's so logica..."

What if Penryn is actually related to one of the other archangels? I know that's completely stupid but just think about it. Her mom is always mentioning the devil, right? What if she had an experience with then and her "dad" left because the mom saw the supernatural world and he wanted to protect them? Just one of my "never going to happen conspiracies that just makes you think." ;)

Nalani wrote: "Kati wrote: "Katerina wrote: "Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're right. For me i..."


Could be possible :) There's something up with the mom. The way she always mentions the devil and stuff makes me think that he is showing up, too? I know, that's probably not gonna happen but Luzifer was also an archangel, so maybe he steps in and is the "unlikely alliance"?

ok, that theory is highly improbable but who knows with Susan Ee?

Guys, did you see Ails review? That's why I think Raffe will leave but in the end would be something like a consolation prize. And everytime I see these GIFs I'm dying for End of Days.

Kati wrote: "Nalani wrote: "Kati wrote: "Katerina wrote: "Yes, that's excatctly what I am thinking, Katerina :) Also, wouldn't it be really cool to see all the archangles together in one scene? :) I hope we're ..."

I'd love to see Susan's vision of Lucifer!

*Conks myself in the head* Lucifer. Why didn't I think of any predictions? Well two, or one thousand in this case, is better than one :)