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2024 Zodiac Challenge
I've been trying to balance male/female this year for the Know Thyself Challenged and it was not too bad.


Or maybe both! And then I will probably fail miserably to actually read those books, but hey, finding books for the prompts is at least half the fun!

For this actual one I will do the cyclic and see how well I can balance them, m/f/nb authors.

I'm looking for books for the descriptive starting with books that have the animal as a main character or a sidekick/opponent and I'm looking for snake, sheep or monkey but will accept a shepherd for sheep and ape for monkey.
I haven't even started looking at the elements
Yin Yang could be
male main character vs female main character or maybe author.

I'm looking for books for the descriptive starting with books that have the animal as a main character or a sidekick/opponent and I'm looking for snake, sheep or monkey b..."
I recently read Three Bags Full, in which sheep are the main characters. It’s a mystery more than sci-fi / fantasy, but I thought it was pretty good. The sheep are trying to figure out who killed their shepherd. It’s more philosophical than you would expect.
Edited to add: these two books have a gorilla as a main character: Ishmael (also more of a philosophical book) and The One and Only Ivan, which is a middle grade book but is really good if you don’t mind reading books for kids.

that one actually looks pretty good but the link to Amazon goes to the German version. I'll have to find it and oh, rats, it's just in a paper version.



I'm looking for books for the descriptive starting with books that have the animal as a main character or a sidekick/opponent and I'm looking for snake, sheep or monkey b..."
CB, it’s always inspiring to read your plans/approaches.
I’m likely to go with Stephen’s approach and link cyclic & my TBR/Read All Books in the interest of my sanity.

I will probably be double dipping between the lists plus the lists for another SF&F forum's challenges.

RAT: Neuromancer by William Gibson (1984)
OX: The City & the City by China Mieville (2009)
TIGER: The Sword in the Stone by TH White (1938), or The Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick (1962), or Blackout by Connie Willis (2010)
RABBIT: Way Station by Clifford Simak (1963) or Among Others by Jo Walton (2011)
DRAGON: Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang by Kate Wilhelm (1976)
SNAKE: Hyperion by Dan Simmons (1989)
HORSE: This Immortal by Roger Zelazny (1966)
SHEEP: Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold (2003)
MONKEY: A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge (1992)
ROOSTER: The Mule: From Foundation And Empire by Issac Asimov (1945) or The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K LeGuin - this would be a re-read (1969)
DOG: Ringworld by Larry Niven (1970)
PIG: The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon (2007) or Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein (1959)

Zodiac Challenge
CYCLIC
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020 = Garan the Eternal by Andre Norton
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021 = Blood Music by Greg Bear
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022 = The Falling Woman by Pat Murphy
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023 = The Iron Princess by Barbara Hambly
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024 = Seer's Blood by Doranna Durgin
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013 = Sunglasses After Dark by Nancy A. Collins
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014 = Cowboy Feng's Space Bar and Grille by Steven Brust
SHEEP : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015 = Chthon by Piers Anthony
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016 = Mockingbird by Walter Tevis
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017 = Horn Crown by Andre Norton
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018 = The Elfin Ship by James P. Blaylock
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019 = The Disappearing Dwarf by James P. Blaylock
DESCRIPTIVE - Animal
RAT : Quick-witted, resourceful, versatile, kind = Bride of the Rat God by Barbara Hambly - Reason = Rat God
OX : Diligent, dependable, strong, determined = Dr. Ox and Other Stories by Jules Verne - Reason = Dr. Ox
TIGER : Brave, confident, competitive = Sword-Bearer by Jennifer Roberson - Reason = main character is named Tiger
RABBIT : Quiet, elegant, kind, responsible = The Beaver Theory by Antti Tuomainen - Reason = Rabbit Factor #3 = name of series & features a plastic rabbit in the first book
DRAGON : Confident, intelligent, enthusiastic = Dragon Heart: A Fantasy Novel by Cecelia Holland - Reason = one of the main characters is a dragon
SNAKE : Enigmatic, intelligent, wise = A Snake Falls to Earth by Darcie Little Badger - Reason = Cottonmouth is a main character
HORSE : Animated, active, energetic = White Horse, Red Fruit by Kat Howard to replace Pale Horses by Jassy Mackenzie - Reason = new book is SF&F
SHEEP : Calm, gentle, sympathetic = The Android's Dreamby John Scalzi - Reason = save the sheep!!
MONKEY : Sharp, smart, curiosity = Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs - Reason = Tarzan has ape family and "mother" but I don't know if Cheetah is part of the book
ROOSTER : Observant, hardworking, courageous = The Book of the Dun Cow by Walter Wangerin Jr. - Reason = a main character is a rooster plus it's on the cover
DOG : Lovely, honest, prudent = A Boy and His Dog at the End of the World by C.A. Fletcher - Reason = secondary character is a dog
PIG : Compassionate, generous, diligent = Animal Farm by George Orwell - Reason = one of the main characters is a pig First read in Kindle format
DESCRIPTIVE - Elements
Benevolent WOOD - represents creativity, luxuriance, blooming, and flourishing = Drowned Country by Emily Tesh - Reason = 2nd book in Greenhollow Duology about an ancient wood
Respectful FIRE - represents enthusiasm, passion = Fire Wings by Anthony Ryan to replace a book from the Saga of Recluce by L.E. Modesitt Jr. - Reason = definite book with Fire in the title
Honest EARTH - represents nurturing, stability and security = Earthchild by Doris Piserchia - Reason = last human on earth and trying to save it
Righteous METAL - represents ambition, determination, progress, and persistence = The Silver Metal Lover by Tanith Lee - Reason = silver metal lover
Wise WATER - represents brightness, agile mind, and mental strength = OCEANS: The Anthology by Jessica West (editor) - Reason = short stories about the Ocean

For TIGER I went with the title not the year of publication.
CYCLIC
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020
✔️The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike (1984)
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021
✔️The Memory of Whiteness: A Scientific Romance (1985)
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022
Nineteen Seventy-Four (Title)
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023
✔️Old Babes in the Wood: Stories (2023)
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024
Limbo (1952)
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013 —
✔️The Ballad of Beta-2 / Empire Star (1965 original publication of The Ballad of Beta-2)
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014 —
Gloriana, or The Unfulfill'd Queen (1978)
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015 -
✔️The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories (1979)
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016 —
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968)
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017 —
✔️Fourth Mansions (1969)
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018—
Titus Groan (1946)
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019
✔️The Anome aka The Faceless Man (1971)


Rat
The Burning God
Ox
The Shadow of the Gods
Tiger
The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms
Rabbit
The Night Circus
Dragon
The Name of the Wind
Snake
Abaddon's Gate
Horse
Ancillary Sword
Sheep
Ancillary Mercy
Monkey
The Obelisk Gate
Rooster
Provenance
Dog
Skyward
Pig
Children of Ruin

Rat:Space Opera , ed. Anne McCaffrey (1996)(I’ve read a couple of stories in this one already)
Ox: Remarkably Bright Creatures (2022)
Rabbit: The Book That Wouldn’t Burn (2023)
Dragon: The Receptionist and Other Tales, poems, Lesley Wheeler OR My Brilliant Friend, Ferrante OR The Three Tunes, Shawna Reppert (2012)
Sheep: Cloven Hooves, Megan Lindholm
Monkey: The Northern Girl, Elizabeth Lynn
Dog: No Enemy But Time, Michael Bishop OR Larque on the Wing, Nancy Springer
Pig: Here We Go Again: My Life in Television, Betty White
Some of these books have been on my self for years and years. And a few have been on various challenge lists for a couple years Hopefully this year is the year I get to them!

RAT:
OX:
TIGER:
RABBIT:
DRAGON:
SNAKE:
HORSE: Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch (1990)
SHEEP:
MONKEY: A Wizard of Earthsea (1968)
ROOSTER:
DOG: The Tombs of Atuan (1970)
PIG:

4/12 complete
RAT : Quick-witted, resourceful, versatile, kind - Island Rule
OX : Diligent, dependable, strong, determined - The Beast You Are: Stories
RABBIT : Quiet, elegant, kind, responsible - The Future
HORSE : Animated, active, energetic - (will plug in later. Too many to choose from...)
SHEEP : Calm, gentle, sympathetic - The Borrowed Hills or Lapvona
MONKEY : Sharp, smart, curiosity - Next
ROOSTER : Observant, hardworking, courageous - The Glutton or Thistlefoot
PIG : Compassionate, generous, diligent - Come and Get It



I have an 82 and an 83 that are part of a trilogy in my cyclic list and the only reason I don't have the third one is that it was published the same year as the 2nd book in the trilogy
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019

1984 = 1
1985 = 2
1986 = 3
1987 = 4
1988 = 5
1989 = 6
1990 = 7
1992 = 8
and add 4 more books and be done with it

Cyclic:
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020: De Draken van de Herfstschemer
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021: The Prodigal Mage
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023: The Meowmorphosis
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013: The Golem and the Jinni
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014: Talon
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015: Six of Crows
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017: An Echo of Things to Come
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019: De Kleur van Toverij

CBRetriever wrote: "here's mine with all possibilities:
Zodiac Challenge
CYCLIC
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020 = Garan the Eternal by Andre Norton..."

RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020:
The Space Between Worlds by Micaiah Johnson - 2020
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021:
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022:
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023:
Infinity Gate by M.R. Carey - 2023
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024:
Storm Front by Jim Butcher - 2000
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013:
The Steerswoman by Rosemary Kirstein - 1989
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014:
The Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons - 1990
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015:
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016:
The Watchmaker's Daughter by C.J. Archer - 2016
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017:
Jade City by Fonda Lee - 2017
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018:
The Quantum Magician by Derek Künsken - 2018
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019:
The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin - 1971

Sheep / Ram: Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold (published 2003). I loved this book - I think even more than Curse of Chalion. It is going to be hard for me not to scrap all of my reading plans and just read all of the rest of the books in this series instead.
Dragon: Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang by Kate Wilhelm (published 1976). I have mixed feelings on this one, but I enjoyed the writing itself and the exploration of ideas. I hadn't realized it was also on the group bookshelf, so it was a surprise book challenge two-fer. Also, I thought the group discussion for this was great, and it definitely added to my experience of reading the book (and I think increased my appreciation of it).

5/24
RAT : 2020 Finna, 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008,
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021
TIGER : 2022 Gobelino & Worry of Weres, 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010,
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023
DRAGON : 2000 Stardoc, 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2012, 2024
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016
ROOSTER : 1993 The Giver, 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 2005, 2017
DOG : 2018 Quantum Magician, 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006,
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019

Nice Start

RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023 Tea and Empathy by Shanna Swendson
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014
SHEEP : 1931, 1943 Perelandra by C.S. Lewis, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968 Chocky by John Wyndham , 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019

OX : (2021) The God of Lost Words by A. J. Hackwith
TIGER : (2022) The Cuckoo by Leo Carew
RABBIT : (2023) The Adventures of Amina al-Sirafi by Shannon Chakraborty
DRAGON : (2012) Malice by John Gwynne
SNAKE : (2013) The Firebird by Susanna Kearsley
HORSE : (2014) Valor by John Gwynne
SHEEP* : (2015) Ruin by John Gwynne
MONKEY : (2016) Wrath by John Gwynne
ROOSTER : (2017) Jade City by Fonda Lee
DOG : (2018) Fire & Blood by George R. R. Martin
PIG : (2019) The Library of the Unwritten by A. J. Hackwith
*Speckled in with some books on science and biographies of scientists*

DESCRIPTIVE - Animal
OX : Diligent, dependable, strong, determined =

RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023
Old Babes in the Wood: Stories. (2023)
Only a few of the stories are sff. Many of the others have to do with “Tig and Nell”, apparently a fictionalised rendering of Atwood and her late partner, Graeme Gibson. I liked the book a lot.

Sheep / Ram: [book:Paladin of Sou..."
Paladin of Souls might be my favorite Bujold as well.

SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013 —
The Ballad of Beta-2 / Empire Star (1965 original publication of The Ballad of Beta-2)
Two classic 1960s novellas by Delany.

CYCLIC
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014 =

SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015 -
The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories (1979)
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Choose how you'd like to balance your year!
CYCLIC
Read a book for each of the zodiac animals. Pick a book published in a year associated with each of them:
RAT : 1924, 1936, 1948, 1960, 1972, 1984, 1996, 2008, 2020
OX : 1925, 1937, 1949, 1961, 1973, 1985, 1997, 2009, 2021
TIGER : 1926, 1938, 1950, 1962, 1974, 1986, 1998, 2010, 2022
RABBIT : 1927, 1939, 1951, 1963, 1975, 1987, 1999, 2011, 2023
DRAGON : 1928, 1940, 1952, 1964, 1976, 1988, 2000, 2012, 2024
SNAKE : 1929, 1941, 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989, 2001, 2013
HORSE : 1930, 1942, 1954, 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002, 2014
SHEEP* : 1931, 1943, 1955, 1967, 1979, 1991, 2003, 2015
MONKEY : 1932, 1944, 1956, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2004, 2016
ROOSTER : 1933, 1945, 1957, 1969, 1981, 1993, 2005, 2017
DOG : 1934, 1946, 1958, 1970, 1982, 1994, 2006, 2018
PIG : 1935, 1947, 1959, 1971, 1983, 1995, 2007, 2019
*Sheep, Ram and Goat are all used. We used the one the mods found to be most familiar.
**Note these go in 12 year cycles. This covers most books we'd expect to see, but if you read something written prior to 1924, you can still count it. Search for the year or calculate it yourself!
BALANCED
Keep your yin and your yang in harmony. Read books that fit the following (from the encyclopedia Britannica)
"Yin is a symbol of earth, femaleness, darkness, passivity, and absorption. It is present in even numbers, in valleys and streams, and is represented by the tiger, the colour orange, and a broken line. Yang is conceived of as heaven, maleness, light, activity, and penetration. It is present in odd numbers, in mountains, and is represented by the dragon, the colour azure, and an unbroken line."
You can pick a characteristic (female vs male, even vs odd etc) or a mood (dark, passive and earthy vs light, active and heavenly), or whatever you feel brings balance to your shelf.
DESCRIPTIVE
Like with other astrological traditions, each of the controling signs is said to share certain characteristics. Find a book for each!
RAT : Quick-witted, resourceful, versatile, kind
OX : Diligent, dependable, strong, determined
TIGER : Brave, confident, competitive
RABBIT : Quiet, elegant, kind, responsible
DRAGON : Confident, intelligent, enthusiastic
SNAKE : Enigmatic, intelligent, wise
HORSE : Animated, active, energetic
SHEEP : Calm, gentle, sympathetic
MONKEY : Sharp, smart, curiosity
ROOSTER : Observant, hardworking, courageous
DOG : Lovely, honest, prudent
PIG : Compassionate, generous, diligent
Animal signs not cutting it for you? Elements are an important part of the zodiac. They go in 12 year periods, meaning that the 5 elements round out a 60 year cycle. Right now we are in a Wood cycle. The elements are:
Benevolent WOOD - represents creativity, luxuriance, blooming, and flourishing
Respectful FIRE - represents enthusiasm, passion
Honest EARTH - represents nurturing, stability and security
Righteous METAL - represents ambition, determination, progress, and persistence
Wise WATER - represents brightness, agile mind, and mental strength
You can read a book for each element or really go wild with a book for every sign and every element!
Share what you read, your success, patterns you find and any other interesting realizations the contemplation of the stars may bring you!
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