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Edit: Thanks to Zuzana, I also discovered the The Thing About Austen podcast and learned something about Mrs Dashwood's linen today 😊




Every time I read or listen to Sense and Sensibility, I realise I watch the film far too often as very basic differences always surprise me. it does mean every reread is like rediscovering an old friend

My Dear Cassandra : Selections from the Letters of Jane Austen
and looked at the pictures and read the introduction of Jane Austen's Wardrobe

I am so enjoying this JAJ! My second, but not my last!


I thought I may read " the mysteries of Udolpho" by Ann Radcliffe (for challenge 5) to stay in the atmosphere and watch again "Northanger Abbey" mini series with Felicity Jones playing Catherine Morland. (challenge 6) :)
Happy to join Sanditon Readalong when the times comes !

https://archive.org/details/sensesens...
In addition I am reading 2 NF books even though I had planned to cut down on my usual high NF count. I now have 4 in the line up and will update my TBR.
Right now I am reading an old literary criticism on JA (part of a series by Cambridge University Press) which had been standard undergraduate background reference for English majors, especially in Australia where the writer had been honoured with the highest civilian honour for contribution to literature studies, as the English Literature chair at Monash University.
The book traces JA sources, and the development of her craft, alongside her life and personal experiences - using JA letters and Juvenalia to start off the study, before touching on the major works.
This is quite ground breaking for the time the book was written, and actually even now for undergraduate study material on JA. This level of birds eye view is only for specific books usually.
However JASNA and JSTOR have deeper and incisve critical material, so the chapters on the major works are not that riveting.
A free copy is available on Internet Archive
https://archive.org/details/janeauste...
The Goodreads link is not useful yet though. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...

Jane and Dorothy by Marian Veevers
The Jane Austen Society by Natalie Jenner
Jack and Alice by Jane Austen (in a collection of her juvenilia)





The Scandalous Confessions of Lydia Bennet, Witch ✔
Most Ardently
The Heiress: The Revelations of Anne de Bourgh
Pride and Premeditation ✔
Mary B: An Untold Story of Pride and Prejudice
Dangerous Alliance: An Austentacious Romance
Pride
The Pursuit of Mary Bennet: A Pride & Prejudice Novel
The Secret Life of Miss Mary Bennet
By Book or By Crook

https://archive.org/details/sensesens......"
Love that annotated edition--my favorite in that series is Mansfield Park, but the S&S is excellent, too.
Right now I am reading an old literary criticism on JF (part of a series by Cambridge University Press)
Who (or what) is JF?--you mention it several times in your post. Did you mean JA, or someone/something else?


https://archive.org/details/sensesens......"
Oops sorry! Yes I did mean JA (face palm!)
Mind palying tricks because of the NF non-fiction, and JF Jane Fairfax who I was again comparing with Emma in my mind ...
Thanks for pointing it out - have edited the post now.

https://jasna.org/persuasions/on-line...
Can't help but see traces of their relationsship in SS, with similarity of Marianne's behaviour to Jane's according to her letters.
As well as in all the novels of course, the non-engagement engagement scenario, in one form or another.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch...
The property belonged to the Hastings family, of which Waren Hastings the first Governor General of India (and the possible father of Eliza de Feuillade Jane Austen's cousin) was the last.
Daylesford is suggested as the Delaford of Colonel Brandon, also a former colonial of India.
I found the article extremely interesting - there are some black and white sketches of the buildings too.
As there are no descriptions of Marianne and Elinor's later homes, these give some idea of what they may have been at the time, and so, in JA mind.

I think I’ll read P&P next.
I’ll be watching Austenland as the modern take task.

But I can’t help but feel like I’m running though a medieval house like Haddon Hall to save my good reputation and escape through hidden passageways assisted by a local labourer 😂

READ ONE OF THE SIX NOVELS
* Sense and Sensibility
* Pride and Prejudice
✔ Emma
READ ONE OF THE OTHER WORKS
* Sanditon
* The Watsons
* Lady Susan
* Selected Letters
NON-FICTION BOOK ABOUT AUSTEN OR HER TIME
* Jane Austen at Home - Lucy Worsley (currently reading)
* Jane and Dorothy - Marian Veevers
* A Truth Universally Acknowledged
✔ Jane Austen Cover to Cover - Margaret C. Sullivan
RETELLING OR SET IN LIFETIME
* Jane Fairfax - Joan Aiken
BOOK BY CONTEMPORARY
✔ The Old English Baron (1778) - Clara Reeve
✔ "The Rivals" (1775) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan (mentioned in Mansfield Park)
* Cecilia (1782) - Frances Burney
* Evelina (1778) - Frances Burney
* The Mysteries of Udolpho (1794) - Ann Radcliffe
* The Antiquary (1814) - Walter Scott
WATCH DIRECT ADAPTATION
* Pride and Prejudice miniseries (1995)
✔ Emma (2020)
* Sense and Sensibility miniseries (2008)
✔ Emma (1996)
MODERN VIDEO RETELLING
* Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (not expecting much)
✔ Clueless
OTHER RELATED ACTIVITIES
✔ Jane Austen jigsaw puzzle
OTHER RELATED BOOKS
* The Female Quixote (1752) - Charlotte Lenox -- book that influenced Jane Austen.

But I can’t help but feel like I’m running..."
I read The Castle of Otranto last year and I unexpectedly enjoyed it. This year I read The Old English Baron which its author Clara Reeve described as "the literary offspring" of Otranto. It still has some Gothic vibes but is much more grounded in reality with most of the supernatural events being explainable. Set in the reigns of Henry IV, V, and VI.

Nice - but a bit wooden acting.
Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings was good - reminded of her acting as Mrs Bucket / Bouquet in Keeping Up Appearances :)


Mmm.. now that you mention.. I think 95 PP Mrs Philips is actually Fanny Dashwood in 71 SS!!
Much younger of course but the pinched sharp look is there :)
Though I hadn't read SS for decades I've watched the Ang Lee version 2-3 times in the meantime - not fascinated in the 90s but in last 2 viewings more apprecively - or more complacently... not so critically.
In this reading though I'm trying to stay stricltly on the book to form my assesment
I understand what you mean by films taking the viewer and Marianne together in a Brandon re-assessment journey.
I noticed it myself in the 71 version, with Brandon able to interest a dutiful, bored, but polite Marianne in the fascinating beauty of Donne, Marlowe poetry...
As I absolutely love Donne poetry myself, I was softened too - but did remind myself 'is it given so in the book? wait and see' :)

I enjoyed Evalina in my first read a couple of years ago. Story moves along nicely with no lagging.
Well drawn characters too and believable.
The JA depth and layering is not there but it works very well as what it is.
Havent read Udolpho so can't compare them.
Enjoy it!
Renuka wrote: "Watched 1971 SS.
Nice - but a bit wooden acting.
Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings was good - reminded of her acting as Mrs Bucket / Bouquet in Keeping Up Appearances :)"
I haven't seen that one, but I'd be very keen to see Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings!
Nice - but a bit wooden acting.
Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings was good - reminded of her acting as Mrs Bucket / Bouquet in Keeping Up Appearances :)"
I haven't seen that one, but I'd be very keen to see Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings!

She was superb!.
Also the girls are the correct age and the contrast between the quieter but still sprightly Elinor, and the emotional but intelligent Marianne was there.
The men are too old - well, Edward is too old.
The original Poldark Ross actor but older or seems older and wooden mostly.
Brandon is ok - is shown softer, more appealing therefore.
Mrs Philips from 95 PP is Fanny :)



NOT academic - more accessible.
A different article every other day, from 20 June till end of Summer.
https://sarahemsley.com/celebrating-a...

I love Muir's writng style but this book didnt grip me as much as his book on Younger Sons in Regency era did.
I've read a few chapters but will stop now and continue after the challenge is over, because it maybe suffering from my flipping back and forth between different books.
I am not looking for a broad, bird's eye view of the topic - but for the exact courting rituals, and the do and dont's, the stages of it's progression etc.
That seems such an important point in SS - so much room for misunderstandings ...
Reminds me now of the wisdom of how Jane Bennet behaved in PP - protecting her name and her feelings, until as is advised, the man declares himself.
And loving only thereafter - strange though it is to us today..
Especially when a single gentleman, for whatever reason, seeks out the company of a single girl repeatedly.
As also Brandon does with Elinor.
How is a girl to know what they intend, how their intentions may have changed even while their wishes stay the same, or vice versa.
As happened to Marianne vs. Lucy ...
Willoughby intended differently while his wish stayed same, Edward intended same while his wish had changed.
What a conundrum for the watching society, and the poor ladies concerned.
And it seems a pair of single individuals repeatedly being in each other's company alone, whatever the ostensible pretext, was taken as a prelude to a change of status- and was seen so by society.
No wonder - because see what happened with Robert and Lucy!!
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...

Softer, warm as honey voice well modulated, and more appealing to listen to over a longer period than even the Rosamund Pike version.
Volume 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2AI8...
Volume 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY5Ls...
Volume 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2rpI...

@Katie
Here are the 4 part series of 1971 SS with Patricia Routledge as Mrs Jennings.
Also the girls are superbly chosen - both fair and very beautiful, and very alike to be sisters, but Elinor with a cool reserve, a touch-me-not look, Marianne a prettier, more open face yet with a slight hauteuer - exactly as the book charcters are.
The difference clearly seen when they meet the Palmers in Part 2 @13.30
Part1/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D45Vv...
Part 2/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GShE...
Part 3/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83cAO...
Part 4/4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDA3...



1. Re-read Northanger Abbey, then watched the BBC film for challenge 6 :)
2. Read Lady Susan but may participate to Sanditon Readalong soon!
3. Read Jane Austen at Home, found it very interesting and so pleasant to read.
Now I wish to read What Matters in Jane Austen?: Twenty Crucial Puzzles Solved again but will surely focus on other parts of the challenge this month ;)
4. Just started Miss Austen to know more about Cassandra :)
5. Still hesitating for that one...
6. Northanger Abbey BBC fim and P&P with Keira Knithley because I liked Matthew Macfadyen in "Succession" and wanted to see him as Darcy.
7. Need to find what to watch...

2. Spontaneously read "The History of England" (remembering Margaret reciting the Kings and Queens of England in the 2008 miniseries)
3. Coming next: Reader, I married him: A study of the women characters of Jane Austen, Charlotte Bronte, Elizabeth Gaskell and George Eliot
4. Read Georgette Heyer's Cotillion (in June)
5. Still reading two poetry collections by Wordsworth and Cowper. Wordsworth is really not to my taste, but Cowper is growing on me.
6. No plans to do that, but had the 2008 miniseries in my head for every scene that I read. It's one of my very favourite Jane Austen adaptations.

READ ONE OF THE SIX NOVELS
* Sense and Sensibility
* Pride and Prejudice
✔ Emma
READ ONE OF THE OTHER WORKS
* Sanditon
* The Watsons
✔ Lady Susan
* Selected Letters
NON-FICTION BOOK ABOUT AUSTEN OR HER TIME
* Jane Austen at Home - Lucy Worsley (currently reading)
* Jane and Dorothy - Marian Veevers
* A Truth Universally Acknowledged
✔ Jane Austen Cover to Cover - Margaret C. Sullivan
RETELLING OR SET IN LIFETIME
* Jane Fairfax - Joan Aiken
BOOK BY CONTEMPORARY
✔ The Old English Baron (1778) - Clara Reeve
✔ "The Rivals" (1775) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan (mentioned in Mansfield Park)
✔ "The Duenna" (1775) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan
✔ "A Trip to Scarborough" (1777) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan
✔ "The School for Scandal" (1777) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan (mentioned in Mansfield Park)
✔ "The Critic" (1779) - Richard Brinsley Sheridan
* Cecilia (1782) - Frances Burney
* Evelina (1778) - Frances Burney
* The Mysteries of Udolpho (1794) - Ann Radcliffe
* The Antiquary (1814) - Walter Scott
WATCH DIRECT ADAPTATION
* Pride and Prejudice miniseries (1995)
✔ Emma (2020)
✔ Sense and Sensibility miniseries (2008)
✔ Emma (1996)
✔ Love and Friendship (2016) - adaptation of Lady Susan
MODERN VIDEO RETELLING
✔ Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (not expecting much)
✔ Clueless
OTHER RELATED ACTIVITIES
✔ Jane Austen jigsaw puzzle
OTHER RELATED BOOKS
* The Female Quixote (1752) - Charlotte Lenox -- book that influenced Jane Austen.
Books mentioned in this topic
The Secret Life of Miss Mary Bennet (other topics)Persuasion (other topics)
Sense and Sensibility (other topics)
The Man of Feeling (other topics)
The Year in Between: A Sense and Sensibility Variation (other topics)
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Authors mentioned in this topic
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