Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince discussion

whoooo's worse????!!!!!

voldmort

umbridge fs.

Voldemort kills, Umbridge just punishes. There's no comparison at all

Voldemory

umbridge

Deffo Umbridge! Sometimes I found myself feeling bad for Voldemort because of his messed up childhood, but never for Umbridge.

Umbridge is probably worse. Voldemort just kills them off, but Umbridge makes people suffer: both the reader and the protagonists.

umbitch defo. rember when she was dunna put harry under the crusitus curse. at least crusty would have killed him after. umbitch would hsve made him live thro it and then continue to make him cut his hand open. Thats another thing, like she was making harry and others engrave shit into thier hand, thta physical and metal torture, they are gunna have to live with that because she went on a power trip

Voldemort is a villain you respect and can count as a one of a kind bad guy. Ambridge is a pathetic villain-wanna-be who should rot in hell before anyone else. Voldemort had a purpose of finding immortality while Ambridge was doing all this to get a higher position at ministry. she is low.

I'm sorry but, Umbridge.

Ok I get that Voldemort had a bad childhood but he was on the path to success and he threw it away for power. He killed many people, and hated muggles like us. Also can I mention that he wanted to make horcruxes to live longer but he died like à hundreds years younger than Dumbledore

Well you see Voldmort is an international terrorist responsible for 100s of deaths and Umbridge is just a loser who didn't kill anybody. It is fs Voldemort as killing someone is obviously worse than tourturing somebody by cutting up their hands a bit. Idc about Voldemorts childhood being evil is a choice and he chose to be a racist hyperterrorist.

Umbridge was pure cruel. At least Voldy Moldy got to the point.

Got to the point where he killed them? Dont forget voldy tortured and ordered torturings. At least umbridge didnt murder children, also voldy did torture that wandmaker into telling him stuff as well. At least Grindlwald wasn't a coward and a loser, (IMO he beats voldy 9/10 in a 1v1 without elder wand)

Lil wrote: "Got to the point where he killed them? Don't forget that Voldy tortured and ordered torture. At least Umbridge didn't murder children, also voldy did torture that wandmaker into telling him stuff as we..."

Yes, but Umbridge was a d*ick for the sake of being a d*ck, and after Fred and George (in the books) set the swamp they flew away, and she had just the authority to whip everybody (if I remember correctly flich was very keen on that one), even for walking, talking or being too close to the other gender. At least crusty the clown gave a reason, all be it shit, for the crap he did, she disguises it as "care for the students education and health" whilst gate keeping things to actively keep the students safe and shutting up the people who were not scared. She also tortured little kids by the way, little kids who were rightly scared by the return of Crusty the clown and therefore wanted to learn to defend themselves, hell, I would want to know how to protect myself. She was psychologically torting them, being both a spy for cornilius to monitor what was being tourght without a teaching degree and helping weakening the wizarding kids, meaning more were being killed and only had 1 full year of actually good DADA until they had to deal with crusty coming back. she was under qualified, torturing little kids, having joy from that and detrimentally weakened the wizarding world.

And voldy didnt murder and torture little kids as well? Myrtle? Trying to straight up AK little harry? I personally would allow a unregulated club with children litteraly throwing curses at each other with no adult supervision. Also is vandalising school property and causing a danger to students acceptable now? I would like to say whipping students isn't worse then sending literal children into the dark forest where Harry was nearly murdered trying to chase down a criminal killing unicorns. I'm sorry what was voldemorts reason for being evil? He was afraid of dying? That isn't a real reason to be evil.

I'm not saying that Voldemort is good by any stretch of the imagination, he is cruel and horrible too, but I personally think that unbrige is worse. She attempts to use the cruiatus curse on Harry and other students behind the minister's back, that person whom she was getting lee way from, so she knew that what she was doing was wrong, she just did not care enough to regulate her emotions. Murtle was an accident who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that is not just Tom's fault. That is also down to Headmaster Dippit and his inability to control the school, and how easily manipulated by riddles.

DA would not have happened if he were a competent teacher. Students were being ill-prepared by the person who was meant to teach them to defend themselves with cures, jixses and demonstrating how to use them. Instead, she just taught them to read a book. We lost many good soldiers in the battle of Hogwarts, and many more would have been lost if Harry had not had the guts to teach them. Just the fact that he was OWL year would have meant that she was doing them a disservice anyway.

i agree with the fact that they should not have been vandalising school property but is the equivalent of that a whipping or cutting their hand saying that they are stupid. she just g marked an entire en of Hogwarts grow upscarred because you were insulted that someone drew A+F on the bathroom door, which I will remind you is completely normal for a SECONDARY school bathroom.

No student was put in danger because of the students. Fred and George were careful with their pranks so that studying time was not affected and no one got hurt. The extent of their pranks was putting off fireworks (which were not previously banned), playing gobstones in class, and selling safe and tested sweets to make kids temporarily sick so that they could skip HER lesson.

Agree that Harry should not have been sent to the Forbidden Forest. I don't like Dumbledore that much either, but reallyif she had, a chance, she would have ccruisedHarry. His actions were a misguided act of care so that he could figure out his full potential whilst around people that he could trust and predict even a little bit. Hers was an act of hate, but his was an act of trying to prepareHarryy, and guess what, Harry came out of the sires alive and killed Voldemort.
Ii day specifically that his reason for being evil is BS and that I don't excuse his behaviour, but there was a reason. Hers was that she hated children and wanted to keep giving the minister blowjobthink thatkthat she was not teacher material and should have stayed in the ministry.

Also, I would just like to point out the irony that a Muggle-born herself looks down on other Muggle-borns and negotiates with none other than Mundungus Fletcher to verify her fabricated claims, just something to think about.

It's clearly Voldy. He kills Harry's parents and a bunch of defenseless muggles just for the sake of killing. Where as Umbrage was just flat out annoying. I mean sure she punished a bunch of mudbloods ( sorry for using that term.) just for possessing magic but at least she didn't kill them. She also doesn't order her pet to kill one of her followers. So in conclusion Voldy is worse than Umbrage.

But it is cleary Umbridge. She single-handedly held the false imprisonment of loads of Muggle-borns, playing to Voldemort's regime of Muggles under wizards, breaking multiple rules, sorry laws that enable her to torture kids. Please tell me that you would rather be in Askaban with a bunch of dementors or be dead, I know what I would rather. Voldermor, when he hated them, would give them a prolonged agonising death, like he threatened with Harry to get a simple piece of information out of him. No, instead of killing them she breaks their moral and says that they are an abomination, psychological trauma is worse them any death, which, with the size and age of Nagini, would be quick

Voldy also says all the same things umbridge says and worse. Also using the pronoun "We" is crazy ngl, you aren't a wizard or a hogwarts faculty member. Umbridges reason was the same as voldy, power that is all. Also wasn't the entire reason umbridge could do all these things Voldy? Also Harry is also a racist loser guys we should support the anti-house elf slavery cause and stop the opression of the goblins, something Harry approves of.

Voldemort was not a trustworthy figure for parents to place their kids in her care, as she failed to help them become well-rounded members of society and instead fostered bigotry. Her repeated references to "half-breeds" as inferior even led to her abduction by angry centaurs. Recognized as a threat, she attracted only those who were already evil, promoting harmful ideologies and negatively influencing others.

When, exactly, was Harry racist? He shared the same values as other Hogwarts students, enjoying their work without trying to undermine it. Furthermore, Harry treated Dobby with respect and would have done the same for Winky if she had desired clothes and dignity. He was careful not to release house-elves accidentally, recognizing that it would be offensive to them.

Hermione's attempts to free house-elves, though noble, had unintended consequences for Dobby. Eager to prove his worth after gaining freedom, he took on the overwhelming task of cleaning Gryffindor Tower alone. This situation highlighted the challenges faced by newly freed house-elves and emphasized the importance of supporting their autonomy while respecting their individual choices.

Doesn't adress the "we" part but agree to disagree ig, you seem like you wont change no matter what I say. Voldy is clearly worse you just don't see it ig, IDK what do you want me to prove? He killed more people, he caused greater overall damage, he put an entire fictional society into fear, had possibly the greastest wizard alive killed, and overall started a small civil war/terror campaign killing estimates of 2000-5000 people better people included (not that much but still a lot more then Umbridge).

Edit: Changed the word muggles to their real title: better people as wizards are idiots who live in a backwards society no tech L no logic L no brainpower L inbred L

Umbridge just took being a strict teacher to a new level by torturing her student, but Voldement has a whole group of followers who launched a terrorist attack on london, killed millions of people and wouldn't have hesitated to just torture them. Professor Umbridge never used the killing curse, she only looked down on everyone who wasn't a pure blood. There is a huge difference between thinking you should have power and look down on everyone else vs thinking you should rule a world where everyone who disagrees with you is dead.

Voldemort

Honestly, I’ve just been hating on Voldemort since he killed Cedric, and Cedric was my favorite character

Umbrige is honestly way more worse

Umbrage. 100%

Umbridge is 100% worse.