Moning Maniacs discussion

I don't know if it is Barrons, but I am not sure who it would be. Maybe her birth mother and somehow Barrons was able to bring her spirit back.

I think it is Barrons, but I don't think she killed him. I re-read the first book awhile back, and at the end, Barrons says something to the effect of "don't believe something is dead until you've burned it, waited a day, and poked around in the ashes". He's trying to tell her some things don't die easily, and I think he's one of them.

Plus, hadn't she heard the beast make a noise when she was in the garage with Barrons?? My mother was convinced that it could be no other person....I'm not sure, my best guess would be Mac's sister (not truly dead)...Couldn't be Dani because I think someone would have noticed, and other than Barrons, I don't know of anyone else who would have eliceted that same reaction from her...

What about Ryodan as the beast? I mean, I too am with Sarah on the statement Barrons made "don't believe something is dead until you've burned it, waited a day, and poked around in the ashes", so therefore no matter who it is, I believe the beast is not dead. There is the possibility that the Ryodan who came to rescue Mac from the beast and silvers is actually Darroc trying to trick Mac, and the beast is Ry trying to save her. He did tell Mac that if she called IYD and wasn’t really dying he would kill her himself.
This is just one of my many harebrained theories. :~p

I must say it feels great to talk about this with someone!!!!!!

I automatically thought that it was probably Barrons but it is tricky! Because if it is Barrons I'm pretty sure he's not dead and I was thinking of something along the lines of he reverts back to human form and is ill for a while?

The book points us in a million directions because of the beast under Barrons garage.

I honestly think the beast is Barrons because I feel like the author is using the tactic of she doesnt really notice how much she cares about him until she thinks he's gone?

I'm not sure but I love this series!@

Ahhhh how do I wait for this book? and then it's over after!

:( DECEMBER! my gosh I'm looking forward to this book so much!

Sometimes when I'm talking to my boyfriend he's like are we on the same page here? I'm like SAME BLOODY WORD! and I laugh with myself he looks at me like I'm nuts but then I explain to him it's regarding one of my books.

I'm not sure, my best guess would be Mac's sister (not truly dead)

I really have no clue, but this was my best guess too.

Another thing that makes me think it is not her sister is because the beast is male. She mentions it when he was like "marking" around her. I truly think it's barrons unless it's her father or Something

Oh shoot that's right Melody- hmm maybe it is?! Well dagnabit if it is, she better not have killed him off permanently!!!!

(My one reason for thinking it wasn't him before is that she heard a "beast" down in his basement whiile he was with her... I guess that doesn't mean it's HIS beast...maybe ALL his cadre have the same ability??)

Srsly, I will be very upset if JZB is killed off, you have no idea...

Melody wrote: "Another thing that makes me think it is not her sister is because the beast is male. She mentions it when he was like "marking" around her. I truly think it's barrons unless it's her father or Some..."

Not that I am discounting your theory, but how many times do you call things "he" when you don't know. I know if it was me and I saw a great big monster type thing I would automatically designated it as male.

I think the peeing to mark territory thing tends to lead toward male?

I may be wrong because I read a lot sometimes I confuse books but I thought she pointed out that he was male while he was marking her. I want to re read and see if I find!

I think the underground beast was barrons' I guess posse? All those guys that went with him to rescue mac?

Idk ladies this is just speculation i may be wayyyyyy off :)

I agree with Zeek...about the peeing territory...It does lead into a male.
My guess is Barrons. But he cant be dead..no no hes got to be Mac'a HEA!!

I have two different theories. The first is that the beast is Mac's father becuase of her reaction to looking in the beast's eyes (IIRC).

The second is that the beast is JZB and that JZB, Ryodan and their "men" can all turn into beasts. If it is JZB, he isn't dead. KMM would have a revolt on her hands if she killed off JZB.

I know someone else mentioned it being her father too- but I didn't really get the connection? Why the eyes?

I thought she said something about the eyes but that isn't what she said (sorry about that). I had to look at the book to see what was said. Mac said that she thought she had already lost everything but after seeing the beast transform into the person laying before her, she says, "Now I've lost everything."

"Now I've lost everything."

THAT I remember.. and it could mean Barrons, her Dad, her sister- any of these! arrrrgh! Do we srsly have to wait till december?? lol!

Somehow I don't think her dad would tie her sweater to himself, though. And she did strongly refer to the creature as male, although I can't remember if she just said that or saw obvious anatomy... I'm still thinking it's an immortal Barrons.

I hope the beast isn't Barrons. I just am not down with the beast thing. I am thinking the beast could be Christian or the dreamy guy or maybe Mac's bio father- who were haven't met yet. KMM foreshadows alot of stuff at the beginning of a chapeter...like "I didn't know then but it would be the worst day of my life" before she was made Priya.

I just really, really don't want Barrons to be the beast. That would almost kill my love for him. The whole beast angle is just hokie!!!

"Christian or the dreamy guy "

yeah but then why would she say ""Now I've lost everything."

That doesn't fit for those guys, imo...

I am not sure that Barrons would fit for that either. I mean he is her friend, but no relation to her. Besides she still has V'lane and she puts Barrons in the same category as him- not trusted.

Are you talking about the fight when she ate the unseelie flesh?

I don't remember them kissing after she came back from being Priya.

We know that she likes him but she doesn't trust him and I don't think her world would end if he died or left- yet.

Oh see now I totally think it's possible because I think she loves him, she doesn't admit to herself (and thereby us who are reading) but I do think she does- that said, I will concede, that at this point in the story it may be not enough for her to admit her world would end if she killed him. (That's part of the reason I think it might NOT be him...) but "Like" to me is far to tame of a word for what she feels toward him.

So far, Barrons and Dani have been the only people to consistently come for her when she needs help. I totally think she's come to rely on Barrons in a way even she doesn't fully realize yet.

Seriously! When Barrons charged into the Sidhe Seers HQ to get her out of the dungeons--priceless.

I still hope we get to see what he did while he was with the Druids. All that stuff happened "off camera", and I'm dying to know more.

Awww, how do I get my hands on that??!!

Vale...you are an angel!

It was an absolutely perfect scene between the two of them. Exactly what you would expect! Anger and violence, all mixed with satisfaction...perfect!

(At least satisfying to me ;)

Ugh!! Sometimes I wish I knew before I started a series how much I would anticipate the finale...cuz for real....gimme now!!! LOL

I really am jonesing for a Barrons fix now, I'll prolly have to read that scene over and over every day for a while ;)

For real!! At the most random times I will start thinking of these books, drives me crazy!! I feel like if I just had the last book this madness would stop! (But in all actuality....prolly wouldn't, LOL!)

And then go back and see how we missed all the clues, LOL I feel like she foreshadows a lot but I never pick up on it till its too late

hmmm, I'll have to consider audio...I tend to shy away from the because I find it hard to concentrate on it

wait were is the scene? I want to read it or hear it!!!!

Heather wrote: "Heather, LOL, This isn't a scene. It was my theory on who the beast is. My commit on message 67 was a reply to message 65. Sorry for the confusion :)"

Heather-

1.You must change your name because I feel like I am talking to myself. J/K!!!

2. I was talking about the Mac/Barrons deleted scene.

Damn!! I didn't realize she confirmed even that much....I guess that at least eliminates the sister (which is what I was rooting for since I didn't want to lose any characters, LOL!!)

Very good catch!

Hi! New to the group! I agree with everyone else who think the beast is Barrons. If you read one of the teasers for Shadowfever it says now two ghosts walk beside her as a reminder of what she has lost. I do not think Barrons will really be dead though. I just think we will believe his is for some of the book. I just can't think of who else would be that important to her. Wasn't she and Alina adopted? Makes me think its not her father, her father seems to be normal... I could be getting other plots mixed up...

When talking about Malluce being dead, Barrons said "Don't celebrate yet, Ms. Lane. Don't believe anything dead until you've burned it, poked around in its ashes and then waited a day or two to see if anything rises from them." The beast could be him in this case. Not sure though.

I, too, think the beast is Barrons; but, I don't know how that works with my theory of Barrons being an ancient vampire - maybe he's an ancient demon! I never heard of any vampires having horns.

I just reread DreamFever. When Ryodan comes for Mac, he tells her that he has been trying to kill the beast all night, and that it had run him out of ammunition. I have another way out there theory. Maybe when one of the ones like Barron turns into a beast, they have to be killed before they can get their human form back again. Maybe this is why Barrons killed the woman he carried from the mirror in his office. Maybe (I said it was way out there) there is at least one woman "demon", and Barrons had to kill her so she could return to human form. I just don't see Barrons as a cold-blooded murderer. I think that he was cursed (or became a beast) to aid someone in his past. From one of his conversations with Mac, he said that he thought that someone doing something evil to help someone could be construed as being virtuous. Not exact words but the gist of what he said. I think he became a "demon" to help someone long, long ago. I, also, think he is the one who killed Cruce. I know this isn't the correct thread, but I think the Unseelie king may be Mac's grandfather. Then, I also think she is a reincarnation of the Unseelie king's concubine. These unanswered questions are driving me crazy! Hope I get interested in another book to get this one out of my head for awhile.

Whoa...thats an interesting theory you have got Gaynell. I also think that Barrons cannot be a cold- blooded murderer...ruthless but not cold-blooded.

Well, we know its not Ryodan. Cristian was still lost in another part of the 'mirror world' when the beast first showed up, so I'm pretty sure its not him. I guess it could be one of Barrons other friends....one of those that was with him when he came and got Mac from the Abby. Or it could even be someone totally new to us. Aaaahh...I dont know. To many dang possibilities. KMM sure knows how to keep things a secret and even her hints don't really give anything away. She's a master!

For Mac to freak out like she did after the beast morphed back to human form, it had to be someone she/we know.
I'm starting to realize with these books that NOTHING is insignificant. Every little detail and tidbit is most likely a clue or hint. I just cant figure it all out! *grrr*

I know, Marissa! That's why KMM is a master story teller. I usually have an inkling on how a story will end, but with the Fever series I just have no freakin' clue. There are so many ifs, ands, or buts. Nothing is what it seems and everything can change in a blink of an eye. If I wasn't so obessesed with this series, I wouldn't put up with it. LOL.

If it is Barrons..I hope to god he doesn't die...The whole don't believe something is dead speech he gave Mac really does seem very logical that if he were the beast..he is not dead. He will return. I hope so..because without Barron the series would never be the same.

I think it is a part of Barrons and that he is the Seely/unseelie King. Remember how the king took away parts of himself because he doesn't drink to forget. That destructive bad part of himself he put into the book. The beast could be a part of himslef like the book or it could be one of his creations when he was trying to figure out the song of making. Remember the beast had Black hair and as he changed back when dying the hair filled in...

Yes, Vicki...I agree in your theory. I, myself believe that Barrons is the Unseelie king. I have thought so since the very first book. I don't think he is inherently evil...I think he has good, too..What is Mac? Even Barrons ask her what she is...and he prides himself on knowing everything...Any insight would be appreciated. (If we are allowed to post it under this subject)

I think Mac is part fae or druid, remember we don't know who her grandfather or father are. And rowena seems to dislike her for some reason. Yes, Barrons has been shocked by her before and keeps asking What are you?
I think she is more than human and may be somewhat immortal and is just coming into her powers. I think there were two prohecey's and Mac will be the one to save everyone and make things right and maybe her sister would have been the dark prophecy that set in motion bad things.
I wonder if Barrons knows about the prohecys and the 5...

Originally, when i finished reading Dreamfever, I thought maybe Christian is the beast. Because of the unseelie she fed him, he was changing right before her eyes before they separated. My theory was that when she pressed IYD, some magic worked and used Christian to convert him into something to protect Mac. Although he is not as important to her as Barrons, he is a friend of hers. Her last statement about losing everything could just reflect her tendency to over exaggerate her emotions as she usually does.

However, after reading the July excerpt, that theory started to go down the drain. Honestly, I have no idea what to expect. I am starting the reread this month and I am hoping to have a more solid theory by the time I finish Dreamfever again! I just really hope Shadowfever doesn't disappoint. There are so many loose ends and, even with the longer book, I don't see how she will cover all of them without glossing over the details. I have a feeling there will be a couple of unanswered questions left at the end of the book, but will spin off to her next series. She did say she couldn't mention what her next series is about, as it will provide a spoiler for Shadowfever's ending.

Sarah ~Sehrenity~ wrote: "I think it is Barrons, but I don't think she killed him. I re-read the first book awhile back, and at the end, Barrons says something to the effect of "don't believe something is dead until you've ..."

This quote always comes back to me so I have thought the same!

Vicky wrote: "I think Mac is part fae or druid, remember we don't know who her grandfather or father are. And rowena seems to dislike her for some reason. Yes, Barrons has been shocked by her before and keeps as..."

Thanks for the insight, Vicky. It makes a lot of sense.