Christian Support Group :) discussion
No, I haven't forgotten...
Yeah, 'cause I have a conscience. :/ It was really nipping me in the butt, so I did something about it.
We wouldn't kick you out! You're a lot better behaved than a number of sarcastic folks around these parts. :-/ Thanks for apologizing, BTW. I don't think I was one of the people who offended you, but I know the mods wanted you to know that they didn't mean to either.
um..sorry but there is only one actually way of interpreting Jesus words and that's correctly which most other branches add onto the Bible besides Baptists and plain Christians who go just bby the Bible.
What are you saying, Swordmaiden? You're not saying that all denominations add onto the Bible except Baptists, are you?!?!? :-/ Sorry, I'm not understanding!
Pansy wrote: "What are you saying, Swordmaiden? You're not saying that all denominations add onto the Bible except Baptists, are you?!?!? :-/ Sorry, I'm not understanding!"No I'm saying that other branches of Christianity either add to the Bible...((Catholics)) or don't do what the Bible says exactly....Baptist's haven't changed anything in the BIble they just think it would be better that if someone were to join the church they should be baptised...I don't know about all the other branches of Christianity but the ones I know a lot about have done either of those two things...((Sandy can you tell me more about Protestants))
Baptists are actually Protestant...I think Protestant is a general term for any branch of Christianity that's not Catholic (not referring to Mormonism or SDA here -- just Christians). I'm a non-denominational Protestant, so I don't have any particular affiliation with a set of beliefs, but I agree on all the basics and I think we probably believe the exact same thing, I just don't have a label.
((Correct me if I got something wrong, people.))
((I don't know anything about this but I do know that Baptists aren't Protestants))
Because Baptists are the only part of their branch of Christianity
Baptists are Protestant. Protestant religions trace their roots back to the Protestant Reformation, and include Calvinists, Baptists, Anabaptists, and Lutherans. Some also consider Protestant to mean all denominations that aren't Catholic or Orthodox.
It doesn't really matter, though. It's all semantics and man-made definitions. We, as people, like to categorize things, even if things don't fit neatly into categories.
Thank you, Rachel. You put things so articulately, and I couldn't agree more.
MYHAPPYMONSTER wrote: "And I'm not here to bash anybody or anything.It's been bugging me since I left as to why this argument arose.
My conclusion; no. We don't believe in a different Christ. He's the same Christ in ..."
you said that your conscience led you to come back to the group so you could tell us about your views on Jesus Christ. I know this is difficult to do in just a few sentences, but would you please explain to me your general views on Christ?
http://www.mormonyouth.org/mormon_chu...One of my favorite sites, ^^^ but you don't have to click it.
In the Pre-Mortal Life, there was a war over who should go to earth to die for our sins; Satan or Jesus. Satan wanted to do it all his way, but Jesus wanted God to have the glory and follow God's plan. Anybody on earth sided with Jesus and those who sided with Satan never got bodies. We've all agreed to come to earth, and we aren't judged until we're resurrected. Before resurrection, we're kind of... in either a Spiritual Paradise or a Spiritual Prison. Those that received the gospel on earth go to Paradise, whereas those who didn't go to the Prison. If you kept the commandments, repented, and were baptized by immersion (not necessarily in that order), then you go to the Paradise and you're a missionary to those in the Prison. It's REALLY hard to explain, but we do baptisms for the dead. The people who never got a chance to receive the Holy Ghost can be baptized through somebody else's body on earth.
I'm only 14, and don't understand all of my religions practices just yet, so I'm sorry if you have any unanswered questions. :/
God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Pansy wrote: "What are you saying, Swordmaiden? You're not saying that all denominations add onto the Bible except Baptists, are you?!?!? :-/ Sorry, I'm not understanding!"No I'm saying that ot..."
Catholics added to the Bible??
Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Pansy wrote: "What are you saying, Swordmaiden? You're not saying that all denominations add onto the Bible except Baptists, are you?!?!? :-/ Sorry, I'm not understanding!..."They added traditions to the Bible that go against its teachings, I'd say.
That you must be baptised before you become a memeber it's not a tradition it's a regulation...because your supposed to be saved when you become a member of the chruch and baptism is saying you are saved and you have dedicated yourself to God.
No it's not....Baptists say you have to be Baptized in order for you to become a member of the church the Bible doesn't.
Catholics believe that the act of baptism makes one a Christian, no? In that case, they disagree with the Bible. Baptism is more of a symbol -- an act that shows where one's allegiance is -- done in obedience to Christ. A true believer who dies before being baptized will still go to heaven by God's grace.
Yeah..Baptisim isn't required for anything.
Chiara *♥☺Eat cheesecake.....NOW☺♥* wrote: "God's Swordmaiden wrote: "Pansy wrote: "What are you saying, Swordmaiden? You're not saying that all denominations add onto the Bible except Baptists, are you?!?!? :-/ Sorry, I'm not understanding!..."There are some things that the Church teaches that aren't directly said in the Bible. Most of these things stem off of vague interpretations of Bible verses.
IKR? We should take things in context!
Pansy wrote: "Catholics believe that the act of baptism makes one a Christian, no? In that case, they disagree with the Bible. Baptism is more of a symbol -- an act that shows where one's allegiance is -- done i..."Well, I don't believe that. And I am a Catholic because my dad is. I don't believe it though.
MYHAPPYMONSTER wrote: "http://www.mormonyouth.org/mormon_chu...One of my favorite sites, ^^^ but you don't have to click it.
In the Pre-Mortal Life, there was a war over who should go to earth to die..."
Okay, since you have referred to the heavenly "battle between good and evil", I do have a question to put forth to you. Please don't be offended by this because it is only a question... I don't know if this statement is true or not. I was told that the Mormon church asserts that those who chose to side with Satan became demons, those who sided with Jesus became the white race, and those who remained neutral came to Earth black. Once again, I do not know if this is true or not, so I'm putting this toward you as an honest inquiry. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but does the Mormon church not consider Jesus to be the "spiritual brother" of Satan/ Lucifer?
Breezy wrote: "MYHAPPYMONSTER wrote: "http://www.mormonyouth.org/mormon_chu...One of my favorite sites, ^^^ but you don't have to click it.
In the Pre-Mortal Life, there was a war over wh..."
P.S.- I want to be respectful, so do you prefer to be referred to as Mormon or LDS? I've run into people who are very specific about this title, so I want to be respectful about how you want to be addressed.
Ohhhh, LDS and Mormon are almost the same thing...i understand now. I got loads of group invites inviting me to an LDS group, and I didn't know what it was! :D
They are the same thing. "Mormon" is the word that most people are familiar with, and "LDS"/"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is the official term. It's like the difference between Quakers and Friends.
just curious, but how did the Latter Day Saints get to be called Mormons? I now that they read the book of mormons, but again,why is the book called the book of mormons?
sorry for my long confusing question
I could be wrong on this, but I believe that one of their holy books is called the Book of Mormon, named after one of their prophets, and the name just stuck.
Yeah I don't even get why they believe in it...their concept is almost just plain crazy...have you ever read their Fourteen Articles half of them state that if other people oppose them they know they are right...that would go for millions of other religions out there.
All religions may seem crazy to people who aren't part of it, though they may make perfect sense to those that are part of it. It's a very interesting phenomenon.
Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) wrote: "All religions may seem crazy to people who aren't part of it, though they may make perfect sense to those that are part of it. It's a very interesting phenomenon."well I mean I can't see at all how these are realistic...I know what you mean but some of those would imply that everyone is right.
Breezy wrote: "MYHAPPYMONSTER wrote: "http://www.mormonyouth.org/mormon_chu...One of my favorite sites, ^^^ but you don't have to click it.
In the Pre-Mortal Life, there was a war over wh..."
No. I've no clue why there are black and white people, but I'm sure God wouldn't be that cruel. I believe it was something to do with Lamanites...
And Mormon/LDS is the same thing. Mormon is kinda a nickname whereas LDS is an acronym for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Courtney wrote: "just curious, but how did the Latter Day Saints get to be called Mormons? I now that they read the book of mormons, but again,why is the book called the book of mormons?
sorry for my long confu..."
Mormon was the person that found all of the other books to put into the Book of Mormon. Like the publisher... He was also the one who buried the BoM that was later found by Joseph Smith.
God's Swordmaiden wrote: "http://www.exmormon.org/fourteen.htmHere you go it's crazy right?"
That's complete crap. I don't know where you found it, but NONE of it is true. It makes our beliefs sound so crazy and... out-there. No, it twists all of the things we stand for and makes us sound like loons.
THESE are the real ones.
1) We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2)We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3)We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4)We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5)We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6)We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7)We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8)We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9)We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10)We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11)We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12)We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13)We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
Alex-wa wrote: "MYHAPPYMONSTER wrote: "And I'm not here to bash anybody or anything.It's been bugging me since I left as to why this argument arose.
My conclusion; no. We don't believe in a different Christ. H..."
I believe that's already been established. ^_^
Thank you for taking the time to write out all of these answers, Happy Monster. Different religions and different branches of religions are fascinating. :)
Thank you for answering my question about black/white. But is it true that you believe in Jesus as the spiritual brother of Satan? Also, I had a question regarding the repudiation of Mormon doctrine. How is it that certain statements of believe/ church doctrine come to be changed? My specific question is in reference to the statement in the Doctrine of Covenants that says a man must have multiple wives in order to inherit the kingdom of Heaven.
Breezy wrote: "Thank you for answering my question about black/white. But is it true that you believe in Jesus as the spiritual brother of Satan? Also, I had a question regarding the repudiation of Mormon doctr..."I do know that poligamy has been repudiated by the Mormon church for more than a century, but I just want to know why and/or how it came about.
I'll type up the history of polygamy later, seeing as it's really interesting and complex...And no, you don't need to have more than one wife to enter the Kingdom... You might be referring to the FLDS.
It's been bugging me since I left as to why this argument arose.
My conclusion; no. We don't believe in a different Christ. He's the same Christ in all CHRISTian (see what they did there...?) religions, BUT His teachings are interpreted differently.
Yeah, I apologize for leaving in a huff. :/ The one thing that really gets me fired up is when people insult my religion.
It's like my reason for living, all that I am. I know that's uber cheesy, but it's like somebody stinging every single atom in your body. It hurts, and rule 3 is popping up here. "Be respectful of others."
"Keara (Your Friendly Neighborhood Grammar Nazi) was upset because… well first of all, she's not a Christian... Her beliefs aren't opinions either; they are just… wrong...what I said to Keara was not sinful. Or anything we said to her. It was almost sharing the gospel, even. Although a more accurate way to put that would be "casting pearls before swine." ... One more thing: It is not judgemental to discuss something like this."
That's the post (at least the important parts) that made me really, really, REALLY angry.
I'm not going to try to convert anybody here, but I'd love you guys to know how Mormons view Christ and the Godhead. You know... if you want...
That's all, kick me out if you want.