The Extra Cool Group! (of people Michael is experimenting on) discussion

1) Literally
2) Suddenly (or all of a sudden)
3) Actually

i am not the flag waver for any form of banning. in this case, it is more of a call for a personally managed ban. an honor rule of sorts.

i will be doing my best to avoid these words for at least a month. anyone else up for it?

what other words should we get out of the habit of using? i would be happy to consider them.

I've been able to avoid the following for a while:
1) forsooth
2) posthaste
3) verily

I literally love using the word actually, especially when I am able to do so all of a sudden.

Couldn't resist.

I don't think I overuse any particular adverb (others might disagree) but I would like to get out of my habit of overusing
fucking
dickhead
and strupps (teeth-sucking sound inserted where fucking would be really inappropriate).

i have huge issues with the words moist/loaf

either of them make me want to vomit.. something about how it feels to say them.

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strupps.. i will have to find a way to use it at work in a meeting tomorrow.

along the lines of fucking and dickhead, i over use douche, douchebag, and douche nozzle.



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(timing how long jasmine or aloha take to pop in and discuss my over use of douche)

I assume that is a different jasmine...

you can use the word douche as much as you want.


I don't think I have any kind of an adverb problem myself.

Jasmine wrote: "I assume that is a different jasmine... "

really?
i state that i over use douches and you..
i am disappointed...

definitely

i have huge issues with the words moist/loaf



I detest the word moist!!!!

and also, PANTIES.

and the phrase, I know, right!??!?

GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I know, adverbs, adverbs....
can't focus.

Seriously

Books Ring My Bell wrote: "I detest the word moist!!!!
and also, PANTIES."

Arg!
Panties.. annoying, but livable for me.
I do find i use chonies more often than panties

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i said "suddenly" (all of a sudden) twice this morning in a excited conversation.. i wanted to stab myself.

at least you don't suddenly want to stab yourself.


I think I overuse the letter e.

I tried really hard to not use the letter e in that sentence and totally failed.

gadsby?

personally (this one is especially problematic)

Brilliant(ly)

especially

i wonder how difficult it would be to just omit all adverbs for a full month?

each new one that someone mentions i find that i have a hatred for. perhaps i need to more thought into why i dislike adverbs in general?

or is it only adverbs that end in "ly"

i do not have an issue with "today" as an example, so it cant be all of them..

not hard I think

today is a noun.

Jasmine wrote: "not hard I think
today is a noun."

MW: today (as an adverb)
vs
MW: today (as a noun)

|| speaking of which, i do hate today as an adverb ||

the differences in the above two definitions make me hate it... DIE ADVERB!! DIE!!!

I think maybe just don't use adverbs.

does that sentence have an adverb... This is going to require phrase trees.

adverbs should only be used sparingly.

Seriously (oh god, how do we get away from them?), verbs are the real muscle of the sentence. Nouns are important too...adjectives much less so...adverbs should be avoided when possible.

That is the prescription for today.

The best adverbs are all swear words.

"Promptly give me that dagger."
"Fucking give me that dagger."
The second one is still more immediate, despite the meanings of the two words.

But, yes, adverbs are the bane of English. They should literally and immediately be exiled.

I like that fuck is every part of speech.

it is an all purpose word. Next year my nanowrimo will be written using only the different forms of fuck*.

*perhaps fucking.

As long as we can keep "boldly," I'm OK.

(To boldly go where...)

Actually, the only time I've ever heard about this anti-adverb idea is while reading Stephen King's On Writing. As I recall, he passionately hates adverbs...
Ryan

Years ago, before he was famous (in the UK) I saw Alexei Sayle at the Comedy Club. He did a whole show swear words. Genius.

Jasmine wrote: "I like that fuck is every part of speech."

I love the first syllable of country.

my favorite mushroom is shittake

Jasmine wrote: "I think maybe just don't use adverbs.

does that sentence have an adverb... This is going to require phrase trees."

maybe can be noun or adverb
based on its usage above i have no idea which it is, so we should just avoid it altogether

Ryan wrote: "I've ever heard about this anti-adverb idea is while reading Stephen King's On Writing. As I recall, he pa..."

i will have to look that up

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twain had something to say on adjectives which is relevant

"don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice."

Jason (FNORDinc) wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "I think maybe just don't use adverbs.

does that sentence have an adverb... This is going to require phrase trees."

maybe can be noun or adverb
based on its usage above i have no i..."

I don't use adverbs.

better.

this is about simplifying writing, correct?

yeah..
i started reading my nano rough draft and i determined i write like a goddamn third grader.

what is strange is that is it only when i am writing fast, almost as if there are multiple layers of learned behavior. when i sped up and bust out xx words in a hurry i found three very annoying trends. as if my top layer had shut off and i was left with only base elementary school skills.

biggest annoyances:
- overabundance of adverbs.

- my utter disregard for all punctuation except ellipses is fucking out of hand.

- he said/she said. said said said.

ugh

I don't use any punctuation. I don't ever say who's talking. I almost never split paragraphs.

god I could have hit 50000 so much faster.

I think the annoying trend I got is that I felt like I sounded stupid. but when I slow down and I like it everyone else finds it super OCD

Jason, I have to ask, what's with the word 'moist' that you detest it so much?

I worked with a woman who hated the word and would cringe whenever someone said it, and she couldn't really explain why.

i know at least two other people IRL who have issues with moist and loaf.

in all cases, myself included, it is the feeling associated with saying the words. we were all fine with them at one point.

we recognize that a cake may be moist. we have difficulty determining an alternate description that is more accurate.

try saying the word moist aloud. say it a couple times, then slow it down a quarter of the speed. the word will still be very recognizable, but you will be able to feel each section of the word as you enunciate

something about how it feels in your mouth, the act of saying it, the movements and complexity involved... you can taste the word, and it tastes moist..

gah.. i feel sick just writing about all this.

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have you read 'the raw shark texts' or watched the film 'pontypool'? both are centered around a theme that language, words, concepts, and understanding can all become infected or obsessive. that your understanding of a word and its meaning can be skewed and meme-atic disturbs me. this is especially the case because moist/loaf dismay is not limited to myself, instead to a larger growing group.

raw shark texts was language memes that are living creatures in the ocean of consciousness, and once a person becomes aware of the concept, their brain cannot shut it off, words becoming figurative and metaphoric timebombs, or predators out to make you into lunch

pontypool is a canadian zombie film about words whose understanding have become infected. when used they would slowly set your brain into a feedback loop, assessing and reassessing a single concept until you go crazy (and eat people).

fascinating. thanks.



(do you also have problems with: hoist? foist?)

nope, they do not carry the same overall packaged experience.

i do NOT have a problem with moisture, or any other modifier

drives me crazy...

http://www.good.is/post/why-do-we-hat...

PS - I've heard so much about Pontypool from a friend who loves it. I plan to watch it one day.

thanks for the link :)
i feel a bit vindicated, and look forward to flaunting this in front of my wife who gives me rations of shit as often as possible regarding this topic

you summed up perfectly WHY I hate the word moist. I would have never been able to explain it myself... it just feels so...dirty?? obscene?? (not that obscenities bother me that much)

Books Ring My Bell wrote: "you summed up perfectly WHY I hate the word moist. I would have never been able to explain it myself... it just feels so...dirty?? obscene?? (not that obscenities bother me that much)"

i am known to be the drunken ass hole in my group of friends who gets stuck thinking about shit like this. so i have spent a few moments beating myself up about it.

glad i could help :)

Thanks for the explanation, Jason. And thanks for the link, Jimmy.

I finally have some understanding of the issue now, though it still weirds me out that a word could illicit such a response.

Also, The Raw Shark Texts looks interesting. Thanks for the rec

Jason: does the word ointment bother you?


( thought I had already posted this? I guess not?)

Jason (FNORDinc) wrote: "i have huge issues with the words moist/loaf

either of them make me want to vomit.. something about how it feels to say them...."

Moist reminds me of another adjective (the question asked for adverbs, I hope adjectives are OK):

Mucoid—It conjures up disgusting images. We use it a lot in surgical pathology.

Jessica wrote: "Jason: does the word ointment bother you?
( thought I had already posted this? I guess not?)"

you posted it in a different thread by accident :)
it looks awesomely out of place, as if you are asking someone if they are butt-hurt.

no, ointment does not get to me. neither does soil, so it doesnt appear to be an oi aversion

Kernos wrote: "Jason (FNORDinc) wrote: "i have huge issues with the words moist/loaf

either of them make me want to vomit.. something about how it feels to say them...."

Moist reminds me of another adjectiv..."

oh yeah.. adverbs, adjectives.. equally disgusting how much i use them both..

all are welcome in the ban discussion!

though i may have to just stop talking and writing altogether based on the ever growing list.

Jason (FNORDinc) wrote: "you posted it in a different thread by accident :)
it looks awesomely out of place, as..."

HAHA... yeah, and you said "Jimmy:" in that thread instead of "Jason:"!!!

oh now that is embarrassing! which thread? so I can delete!