Brain Science Podcast discussion
2011
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Why Neuroscience Matters to Christians Too!
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Roger wrote: "I am a fan of BSP, a primary care physician and (to my intellectual disadvantage apparently) a Christian theist! I've managed to survive quite well in the rational world none-the-less.
Ginger, I..."
Roger,
I want to apologize for taking so long to post a response to your "rant." Although I had no intention to speak disparagingly of believers, I must admit that I am a little less careful when talking to Skeptics in the Pub, since I know their agenda.
I am well aware that most Christians do not share the goals of the Discovery Institute, but I think it is important that people who care about neuroscience be aware of their current stealth attack. If you want to get a feel for what I was referring to during my talk in London, I suggest checking out the podcast they sponsor. You can find it in iTunes, though I haven't kept up with it, so I don't know if they are still producing it. Look for episodes featuring the neurosurgeon Michael Egnor.
Meanwhile, rest assured that my goal is to share neuroscience with the widest possible audience, so I appreciate feedback like yours.
Ginger, I..."
Roger,
I want to apologize for taking so long to post a response to your "rant." Although I had no intention to speak disparagingly of believers, I must admit that I am a little less careful when talking to Skeptics in the Pub, since I know their agenda.
I am well aware that most Christians do not share the goals of the Discovery Institute, but I think it is important that people who care about neuroscience be aware of their current stealth attack. If you want to get a feel for what I was referring to during my talk in London, I suggest checking out the podcast they sponsor. You can find it in iTunes, though I haven't kept up with it, so I don't know if they are still producing it. Look for episodes featuring the neurosurgeon Michael Egnor.
Meanwhile, rest assured that my goal is to share neuroscience with the widest possible audience, so I appreciate feedback like yours.

Ginger, I..."
The concept of subconscious presuppositions in motivated belief cuts both ways for both those who believe in Russell's Teapot and those who do not, but that is a discussion for another day.


I was politely disagreeing with your assertion that there is some parallel to be drawn between the presumptions made by theists and atheists, or perhaps I just got trolled.

My theory is that religion is a compensating mechanism for higher-order consciousness. Many of Ginger's guests do research showing that consciousness is not the controller, in real time or otherwise. Consciousness actually has a downside in addition to the benefits most people attribute to it, and religion is the evolved response to the drawbacks of consciousness.

It is true that evolutionary psychology has some partially successful explanatory theories of religious practice and religious experience and even that basic, amorphous spiritual experience can be simulated to a certain extent by temporal lobe electro-stimulation. This does nothing to disprove the existence of God, nor does it prove philosophical naturalism, nor does it prove that religious experience is "merely" a neuro-cognitive phenomenon in its origin.
To make these claims is to fall into the Humean trap of presuppositions of naturalism when approaching the question and confirmation bias.
It may be that God may have developed the human brain in a manner that allows Him to communicate with the human mind through stimulation of certain neural circuitry. To use a metaphor, it may be that the neural circuits implicated in religious experience are conduits or "antennae" of sorts for a transcendent source, rather than the absolute point of origin in themselves.

It may be that God may have developed the human brain in a manner that allows Him to communicate with the human mind through stimulation of certain neural circuitry. To use a metaphor, it may be that the neural circuits implicated in religious experience are conduits or "antennae" of sorts for a transcendent source, rather than the absolute point of origin in themselves.
While I personally don't adhere to any religious doctrine, I have no problem with this view. It's akin to the 6 days of Genesis being a metaphorical representation of the creation of the earth and evolution of life. Similarly, God designed all life based upon a few nucleotide bases. Nevertheless, we still have the task of tracing the gradual changes of the order and arrangement of those bases over time (evolution), and that includes how and why the human brain is wired to seek the religious and spiritual. Well, why...?
Re: skepticism and materialism were clearly the default for every rational thinker and that those that dissent are poor mistaken unfortunates who may come around one day with enough patience. The concept of subconscious presuppositions in motivated belief cuts both ways for both theists and skeptics.
I completely agree with you. In discussions I've had regarding my theory that religion is a compensating mechanism for higher-order consciousness, some with 'scientific' backgrounds choose to deny the evidence that consciousness isn't the executive in charge. They ignore the work of Gazzaniga, Brenda Milner, V.S. Ramachandran, LeDoux, Damasio, Daniel Wegner, John Bargh, and many others because the evidence contradicts the beliefs of these so-called rationalists. Dawkins is certainly guilty of illogic in his denunciation of religion. For my criticism of his presumed scientific argument against religion, check out Dawkins' faith-based theory against religion.

That word "evidence", is the critical, pivotal word, in this whole definition, IMHO.
Ginger, I realise that some of your disparaging comments against Christians is a emotional/visceral reaction to the "Culture Wars" in your country and the strong political and cultural clout that fundamentalist Christianity has in the States.
But we both realise that science rarely impinges on religion (and vice versa), and good science can co-exist quite productively with thoughtful Christian faith. Examples are common - Francis Collins, John Lennox, Alister McGrath, Keith Ward to name just a few.
So I tried not to get miffed when listening to this "preaching to the converted" when you implied a number of times that the default philosophical position for rational scientific reflection was materialism/atheism/skepticism. Methodological naturalism is a necessary aspect of the scientific method for sure, but this does not give philosophical naturalism a free ride. I sometimes have likened atheistic materialism as the "cuckoo in the nest" of scientific endeavour.
I also had to let it roll like water off a duck's back when you implied to the "home crowd" of skeptics that skepticism and materialism were clearly the default for every rational thinker and that those that dissent are poor mistaken unfortunates who may come around one day with enough patience. The concept of subconscious presuppositions in motivated belief cuts both ways for both theists and skeptics, but that is a discussion for another day.
So the ultimate purpose of my mild rant is to plead with you not to alienate fans of BSP who may not share your materialist/atheist personal opinions. I also ask you to be fair in your assessment of Christians (if it has to come up at all in BSP podcasts) and acknowledge that not all Christians are card-carrying members of the Discovery Institute.
Keep up the great work!