Wild Things: YA Grown-Up discussion

I'm starting this thread, although that by no means means that I'm assuming I'm going to run the challenge*. I just wanted to start talking/thinking about the next challenge, so we can get it up and running by October. Anyone else want to throw in their hat for running this gig? Anyone have any spectacular (or even run-of-the-mill) ideas for challenges? Let's get this party started!

*I wouldn't *mind* running the challenge, but seeing as I tried running one last year and got really sick and had to abandon everything, I'd completely understand if someone/people don't want me to run it this year. Although I'm much better now!!

I'd be willing to help you (or someone) run a challenge, Jesi. I'm pretty good with the organization stuff, and I think it'd be pretty simple for me to help keep track of things. But on the creativity side for what we should do, I'm very open to suggestions. :)

I can help you Jesi, I've never run a challenge with this group, but I have with others. I love challenges!

I was thinking maybe we could do an "Awareness/Remembrance section" for some of the awareness dates coming up: October - Hispanic Heritage Month (Sept 15-Oct 15), Gay and Lesbian History Month, Domestic Violence Awareness Month; November - Adoption Month, American Indian Heritage Month, Guy Fawkes Day (5th); December - International Day for Abolition of Slavery (2nd), International Day of Disabled Persons (the 3rd)

And for something a little different I thought we could do an "Author Appreciation" section. This would include challenges to read books by a new author, a favorite author, and books by authors with birthdays falling October-December, here's a list of a few:
October
Phillip Pullman 10/19
Ursula Leguinn 10/21
Laurie Halse Anderson 10/23
November
Holly Black 11/10
Neil Gaiman 11/10
Neal Shusterman 11/12
Maggie Stiefvater 11/18
C.S. Lewis 11/29
December
Cornelia Funke 12/10
Carrie Jones 12/13
Rachel Cohn 12/14

I like the author thing that could be a good idea, but with just like more authors.

It definitely wouldn't be limited to just those authors,Emily. They were just examples, part of the fun would be finding authors who have birthdays in the challenge time frame :-)

@Cristen - **nods** I totally got what you were getting at with the author's birthday, and that sounds like a great idea. As for the remembrance day one... that's a bit like Kellee's Monthly Challenge - I'd be cool with it (not that you need me to be, at this point) if she is?

Almost everything that I'm coming up with for tasks are things that I used last year. Maybe my creativity ran out. :(

Maybe Maree, you and I could all three run this? Like Maree, I enjoy organizing things. :D

The author's bit is great! I definitely like that portion. I'm writing out something that combines everything which I'll put up in just a bit here and we can discuss.

That sounds great to me, Jesi! I think Kellee would be cool with our doing it because we're doing more than just one? Her pick for October looks to be Mysteries and that wasn't one that Cristen mentioned, so there might not even be overlap.

I thought about the similarities with the monthly challenge, but Kellee's tends to focus on the more "quirky" awareness days and celebrations (like Pirate Day and whatnot) so I don't think we'd be stepping on toes...Kellee any input?

Okay, here's a suggested list, incorporating Cristen's things with me finding a few quirky ones to flesh it out month to month. Subject to change, of course, for many reasons including if Kellee wants to claim one of these days as her own or if we think finding books for some of these might be difficult.

October:
1. Read a book by Phillip Pullman
2. Read a book by Ursula Le Guinn
3. Read a book by Laurie Halse Anderson
4. Read a book that either takes place in a Hispanic country or has a Hispanic main character (Hispanic Heritage Month)
5. Read a book that has a LGBT main character (Gay and Lesbian History Month)
6. Read a book where a main character is subject to domestic violence. (?? For Domestic Violence Month, but I’m not sure how many YA books this would cover. I’d count Room.)
7. Read a book with a sarcastic main character (Sarcastic Month)
8. Read a book that contains a fruit or vegetable in the title (Vegetarian Day 10/1)
9. Read a book whose title contains the letters ‘E’ ‘G’ ‘G’ (World Egg Day 10/14)

November:
1. Read a book by Holly Black
2. Read a book by Neil Gaiman
3. Read a book by Neal Shusterman
4. Read a book by Maggie Stiefvater
5. Read a book by C.S. Lewis
6. Read a book where a main character is adopted (Adoption Month)
7. Read a book that takes place on a reservation or whose main character is an American Indian (American Indian Heritage Month)
8. Read a book about treason/assassination/explosives (Guy Fawkes Day)
9. Read a book about flying (National Aviation Month)

December:
1. Read a book by Cornelia Funke
2. Read a book by Carrie Jones
3. Read a book by Rachel Cohn
4. Read a book about slavery or being kept prisoner (International Day for Abolition of Slavery; Poison Study would be an example)
5. Read a book about a person with a disability (International Day of Disabled Persons; this can be physical, like deafness or wheelchair confinement, or mental, like autistic)
6. Read a book that contains the words “naughty” “nice” “good” or “bad” (Santa’s List)
7. Read a book that has the name of an ice cream flavor (Ice Cream Day 12/13)
8. Read a book with a Scrooge-like character (Humbug Day 12/21)
9. Read a book with the name of a card (Card Playing Day 12-28; anything with King, Queen, Jack, Ace or numbers will do)


I think we should have genres as well, as we've had for the past two challenges. Maybe switch them up a bit, but essentially the same, I'd think.

Points? I'm quite simple and would be tempted to just say 10 points per book, 5 points per genre, 2 points per book read after the initial book. Opinions? Thoughts? Maree, you're crazy, forget the whole thing?

I help Kellee with the on-going monthly challenges and I don't see it as a problem if you want to incorporate some of them (sometimes it's nice to be able to "double dip" books between 2 different challenges).

I like the options, Maree. My only fear would be if some of the authors you selected have enough books out so people have some choices and variety. I don't know all of the authors you listed, the ones I do know seem fairly prolific, so I think you're OK on that count, I just want to make sure.

Yeah, I went and looked up all the authors and they seem to have a decent number of books out, at least. An option on that too is always to read some sort of anthology of short stories that has one of those authors as a writer as well. The possibility I'm more concerned with is if someone has read all the books of one certain author, if they would then have to reread, or if we could have another option for them.

A way to do it might be to buddy up the authors, ie read two book by Carrie Jones or Rachel Cohn, but since the idea is to stretch readers to people they might not otherwise read, I don't know if that would be a good option as people might just go with the author they're more familiar with rather than trying someone new.

Okay, Maree, I'm hoping you don't take this as me shooting you down. I'm really not!!

For the author birthday one, I think Cristen and I were thinking of having it a little "looser" in interpretation - basically, "read a book by an author who's birthday falls in Oct/Nov/Dec." Having them as examples works, but having them as strict tasks is a little stricter than I was looking at. Same with the Awareness/Remembrance tasks you have listed. I'd like it a bit "looser" so that people can pick whatever they'd like. Maybe make the Awareness/Remembrance one a bit more challenging by having people write why they chose that event, how the book speaks to them about it, and if they think they'll remember the event/Awareness day/whatever next year (I'm HORRID about remembering those days!) Maybe make the extra challenge of writing this out for extra points?

As for the genres, I *really* want to keep having bonuses for genres, and considering all I read is pretty much fantasy, having an "expanded" list of genres would make *me* happy! :D

I had an idea for a "cover hunt" task - one that's for each month... ie, one book should have leaves on it for October, one book should have ...food... on it for November, and one book should have a snowflake or snow on it for December? Or something like that?

@Jennifer W - Thanks for the permission! And as for double-dipping, I can totally get on board for that. Sometimes, having a book work for only one challenge isn't enough for me to get through it, I need it to be worth *lots* of points. I'm going through that with Divergent right now.

No worries, Jesi, if we don't discuss, it's not a discussion! :)

Gotcha on the authors--but maybe we could do two books by an author in each month? Maybe it's just me personally, but I'd love to read a number of books by most of those authors, if just because I'm not as well read as I'd like.

So for the awareness stuff, sort of the same thing, where we bring up a bunch of days/themes and say "Choose three" or something? Is that what you mean?

I think that giving bonus points for a paragraph about the book/response about the event would be awesome! It would promote way more discussion.

Cover hunt sounds good too. :)

Instead of listing specific authors you could have people read a book (or 2) by an author(s) born in each of the months, and those listed could just be some examples.

Those are great ideas Maree! I agree with Jennifer and Jesi on the author limitations. I don't want to restrict people to the authors I listed for the birthday idea, I think it would be fun to let people find other authors that fit as well. I was thinking it might be nice to keep the format from the last challenge for continuity, so for example:

Section 1 "Awareness"
1.05 Read a book that has a LGBT main character (Gay and Lesbian History Month)
1.10 Read a book about a person with a disability (International Day of Disabled Persons; this can be physical, like deafness or wheelchair confinement, or mental, like autistic)
1.15 Read a book where a main character is subject to domestic or dating violence (Domestic Violence Awareness Month; Rules of Survival, Speak, and Dreamland would be examples)
1.20 Read a book about slavery or being kept prisoner (International Day for Abolition of Slavery; Poison Study, Chains, and Sold would examples)
1.25 Read two books for the heritage months in this challenge period: one that either takes place in a Hispanic country or has a Hispanic main character (Hispanic Heritage Month), and one that takes place on a reservation or whose main character is an American Indian (American Indian Heritage Month)

Section 2 "Author Appreciation"
2.05 Read a book by an author born in October and list their birth date with your post (examples: Phillip Pullman 10/19, Ursula Leguinn 10/21, Laurie Halse Anderson 10/23) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.10 Read a book by an author born in November and list their birth date with your post (examples: Holly Black 11/10, Neil Gaiman 11/10, Neal Shusterman 11/12, Maggie Stiefvater 11/18, C.S. Lewis 11/29) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.15 Read a book by an author born in December and list their birth date with your post (examples: Cornelia Funke 12/10, Carrie Jones 12/13, Rachel Cohn 12/14) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.20 Read a book by an author you enjoy (in your post, explain why you are a fan)
2.25 Read two books by authors you have never read

Section 3 "Scavenger Hunt"
3.05 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Leaf/Leaves, Pumpkin, Apple
3.10 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Candy, Ghosts, Graveyard/Tombstone
3.15 Read a book with food pictured on the cover (in honor of Thanksgiving)
3.20 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Snow, Holly/Pines, Wreath, Candles, Fireplace
3.25 Since this time of year is focused on family, read two books with the following on the cover: Trees (as in family tree), Hearts, House(s)

Any thoughts?

I like the idea of keeping the genre bonuses as well, it's a good way to get people to expand their comfort zones!

Though of another Section to add:

Section 4 "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" (if you have never seen this movie it's hilarious, and about traveling home for the holidays)
4.05 Read a book that is set during the fall holidays (Halloween or Thanksgiving)
4.10 Read a book that is set during the winter holidays
4.15 Read a book where the main character visits family or friends on a holiday break
4.20 Read a book where the main character travels across state or country lines
4.25 Read two books with some mode of transportation on the cover or in the title (Plane, Train, Bus, Car, Boat/Ship, Bike, Foot/feet, Walk, Run)

I like what you have so far Cristen. I like when challenges have a little flexibility to them and aren't super specific.

Cristen, I really like what you've made so far. The only "issue" (not really an issue, but it's the only word my just-woken-up brain can come up with) is the point system... we're making some holidays count more than others, which I'm a bit uncomfortable with. Can we maybe do what Maree suggested and have every book worth the same points, so people don't feel like they have to do certain tasks if they don't want to?

Of course the points can be changed, it was an example of how it could look in the same format from the last challenge. I just went in chronological order for simplicity's sake :-)

It looks great to me too, Cristen!

So that seems to be nailed down pretty well, should we discuss genre and response paragraphs?

For the paragraph responses, if we do them, I would really want it to be more than what most people post in book discussion sections, ie "Loved this book, it was great! Kevin is sooooo adorable!" But I'm not sure how we'd reasonably enforce it, aside from sentence minimums or something, but that might be mean. But because it is optional, it might be okay. Thoughts?

Here's an updated version with another section added and some point values moved around, please feel free to make suggestions to improve it:


Section 1 "Awareness"
1.05 Read a book that has a LGBT main character (Gay and Lesbian History Month)
1.10 Read a book about a person with a disability (International Day of Disabled Persons; this can be physical, like deafness or wheelchair confinement, or mental, like autistic)
1.15 Read a book where a main character is subject to domestic or dating violence (Domestic Violence Awareness Month; Rules of Survival, Speak, and Dreamland would be examples)
1.20 Read a book about slavery or being kept prisoner (International Day for Abolition of Slavery; Poison Study, Chains, and Sold would examples)
1.25 Read two books for the heritage months in this challenge period: one that either takes place in a Hispanic country or has a Hispanic main character (Hispanic Heritage Month), and one that takes place on a reservation or whose main character is an American Indian (American Indian Heritage Month)

Section 2 "Author Appreciation"
2.05 Read a book by an author born in October and list their birth date with your post (examples: Phillip Pullman 10/19, Ursula Leguinn 10/21, Laurie Halse Anderson 10/23) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.10 Read a book by an author born in November and list their birth date with your post (examples: Holly Black 11/10, Neil Gaiman 11/10, Neal Shusterman 11/12, Maggie Stiefvater 11/18, C.S. Lewis 11/29) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.15 Read a book by an author born in December and list their birth date with your post (examples: Cornelia Funke 12/10, Carrie Jones 12/13, Rachel Cohn 12/14) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.20 Read a book by an author you enjoy (in your post, explain why you are a fan)
2.25 Read two books by authors you have never read

Section 3 "Scavenger Hunt"
3.05 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Snow, Holly/Pines, Wreath, Candles, Fireplace
3.10 Read a book with food pictured on the cover (in honor of Thanksgiving)
3.15 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Candy, Ghosts, Graveyard/Tombstone
3.20 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Leaf/Leaves, Pumpkin, Apple
3.25 Since this time of year is focused on family, read two books with the following on the cover: Trees (as in family tree), Hearts, House(s)

Section 4 "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" (if you have never seen this movie it's hilarious, and about traveling home for the holidays)
4.05 Read a book that is set during the winter holidays
4.10 Read a book that is set during the fall holidays (Halloween or Thanksgiving)
4.15 Read a book where the main character visits family or friends on a holiday break
4.20 Read a book where the main character travels across state or country lines
4.25 Read two books with some mode of transportation on the cover or in the title (Plane, Train, Bus, Car, Boat/Ship, Bike, Foot/feet, Walk, Run)

Section 5 “Simple Gifts”
5.05 “Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present” – cliché, but so true: Read a book that takes places in the present day
5.10 Read a book that has something you like to be given on the cover (i.e. chocolate, flowers, etc.)
5.15 Read a book where the main character has a “gift” or ability (could range from paranormal abilities to being smart and in the “gifted” program at school)
5.20 Read a book you think would make a good gift (post your reasons why with your task)
5.25 Read two books that have the words: simple, gift, give, present, (to)day, or now in the title - or pictures of a gift(s) on the cover

I think the last genre list we had worked well, should we stick with that or make any changes? As for the responses posted with tasks, requiring minimum sentences would take some monitoring and I am hesitant about turning the challenge into forced book reports (maybe we could give bonus points to people who write more than one or two sentences?)

It's definitely meant as a bonus points thing, Cristen, much like the genre list. I had some ideas for it, but looking at it they've kind of flown out the window atm. I'll think about it.

I love the list Cristen, and I have only one general suggestion. I see why you made the Author Appreciation section like all of the other sections, in that the challenges are worth progressively more points, but it doesn't make sense to me why December authors should get more points than Octobers (although in the act of writing this I suddenly realized that you could easily justify that because many of us also do NaNoWriMo in November, and many people are running around with crazy family stuff for Thanksgiving and winter holidays, so it could be argued that it really *is* harder to track down and read these books than in the relatively calm October.)

I, sadly, will not be taking part in this challenge. I LOVE challenges, but I am going to go casual for these 3 months :) I'll be back for #11 though!

I must admit, I really like having the regular format of challenges for Section 1. I think it keeps us centered on what this club is about and encourages us to check out what other members are reading.

This is just my thought.

Lydia wrote: "I must admit, I really like having the regular format of challenges for Section 1. I think it keeps us centered on what this club is about and encourages us to check out what other members are read..."

I agree, I like when section 1 makes us interact with other members of the group, or encourages us to read and discuss books we are reading as a group. It seems to help us work together for our challenges rather than have them be completely independent projects.

Okay, since we have some folks who are asking to keep the "involve yourself section" (I liked it too, I just didn't want to "steal" too much from the last challenge), here's a tweaked version of the section for #10 - for something a little different I added some goodreads site elements...as always, feel free to make suggestions!

1.05 Read any book discussed in one of the discussion threads here at Wild Things, and contribute to the discussion.
1.10 Read one of the group reads chosen during October, November, or December and contribute to the discussion.
1.15 Read a book that's at least 4 star-rated on goodreads and with your post tell us if you think it deserves the rank.
1.20 Read a book from the WT Top Novel list and discuss why you think it should or should not be on the list.
1.25 Read two books from a listopia list and post the link to the list you chose

@Ann's message 24: Yes, I agree that it looks a bit weird to have the November and December authors worth more, but I did that exactly for the reason of it being progressively more hectic in those months (and added the bonus points as incentive to read their books in their birthday month)

Though I thought we were talking about making all the books worth equal amounts of points?

Maree wrote: "Though I thought we were talking about making all the books worth equal amounts of points?"

I know that you and I talked about it, but I don't know that it was completely decided? I think everyone's just so used to having it in the format that Cristen put it in?

Is it usually in this format? I know this last one was, but I thought the previous one was either 5 or 10 points depending. But it's not a big sticking point for me, I just thought we were going to discuss it.

So Cristen, does this mean that the previous "Awareness" section is out?

The three challenges that I've paid attention to have been in this format, but, like you said, there have been others.

We can change it to something like this?

All books are worth 10 points unless otherwise stated

Section 3 "Scavenger Hunt"
3.1 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Snow, Holly/Pines, Wreath, Candles, Fireplace
3.2 Read a book with food pictured on the cover (in honor of Thanksgiving)
3.3 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Candy, Ghosts, Graveyard/Tombstone
3.4 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Leaf/Leaves, Pumpkin, Apple
3.5 (25 Points) Since this time of year is focused on family, read two books with the following on the cover: Trees (as in family tree), Hearts, House(s)

As for what section to take out, I'm not sure...any suggestions? Maybe one of the ones that have some holiday overlap? Or maybe keep the extra one as a bonus section?

That point structure totally works for me. And, seeing as we're doing a "low point" structure, maybe we can have all of the challenges in it? There have been some open ended (no concrete ending) challenges, and all of this is totally non-mandatory, so people can read whatever they want to and end the challenge whenever they want to, if they feel we're putting too many challenges in?

...I have no idea if that made any sense to anyone outside of my own head.

I've only paid attention to the latest three challenges, and only this current one is in that point format. There's nothing wrong with it, I was just trying to simplify. If everyone else is cool with keeping it like the current challenge, that's fine with me. But if they're all going to be the same, I think they should all be the same, so for above, making the 3.5 10 points per book as well.

As for sections...maybe the gift section?

so sorry, clarification, 3.5 would be worth 20 points, 10 per book.

Jesi, I gotcha. ;) Maybe we can do something like they're doing with this banned book list, and allow people to read any book off the ALA list or something for an extra 5 points?

So then shall we keep all 6 sections and in the 10 points per book format? Should we make the extra one a bonus section (maybe the awareness one since it is similar to the monthly challenges)? At 5 sections x 60 points per section that's 300 points, 360 points if we make one a "bonus section" (without genre bonuses and such)

I think we should keep the 2 points each for multiple books read per task as well

Loving the ideas ladies! :)

I agree with everything you just said, Cristen. :)

Works for me, too.

OK, here's the mock-up of what we are looking at for challenge #10:

Each task is worth 10 points, except where noted. Each book read should be at least 100 pages.

Section 1 "Involve Yourself"
1.1 Read any book discussed in one of the discussion threads here at Wild Things, and contribute to the discussion.
1.2 Read one of the group reads chosen during October, November, or December and contribute to the discussion.
1.3 Read a book that's at least 4 star-rated on goodreads and with your post tell us if you think it deserves the rank.
1.4 Read a book from the WT Top Novel list and discuss why you think it should or should not be on the list.
1.5 (20 Points) Read two books from a "listopia" list and post the link to the list you chose

Section 2 "Author Appreciation"
2.1 Read a book by an author born in October and list their birth date with your post (examples: Phillip Pullman 10/19, Ursula Le Guin 10/21, Laurie Halse Anderson 10/23) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.2 Read a book by an author born in November and list their birth date with your post (examples: Holly Black 11/10, Neil Gaiman 11/10, Neal Shusterman 11/12, Maggie Stiefvater 11/18, C.S. Lewis 11/29) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.3 Read a book by an author born in December and list their birth date with your post (examples: Cornelia Funke 12/10, Carrie Jones 12/13, Rachel Cohn 12/14) +5 Bonus points for reading it in their birthday month
2.4 Read a book by an author you enjoy (in your post, explain why you are a fan)
2.5 (20 Points) Read two books by authors you have never read

Section 3 "Scavenger Hunt"
3.1 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Snow, Holly/Pines, Wreath, Candles, Fireplace
3.2 Read a book with food pictured on the cover (in honor of Thanksgiving)
3.3 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Candy, Ghosts, Graveyard/Tombstone
3.4 Read a book with one of the following on the cover: Leaf/Leaves, Pumpkin, Apple
3.5 (20 Points) Since this time of year is focused on family, read two books with the following on the cover: Trees (as in family tree), Hearts, House(s)

Section 4 "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" (if you have never seen this movie it's hilarious, and about traveling home for the holidays)
4.1 Read a book that is set during the winter holidays
4.2 Read a book that is set during the fall holidays (Halloween or Thanksgiving)
4.3 Read a book where the main character visits family or friends on a holiday break
4.4 Read a book where the main character travels across state or country lines
4.5 (20 Points) Read two books with some mode of transportation on the cover or in the title (Plane, Train, Bus, Car, Boat/Ship, Bike, Foot/feet, Walk, Run)

Section 5 “Simple Gifts”
5.1 “Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present” – cliché, but so true: Read a book that takes places in the present day
5.2 Read a book that has something you like to be given on the cover (i.e. chocolate, flowers, etc.)
5.3 Read a book where the main character has a “gift” or ability (could range from paranormal abilities to being smart and in the “gifted” program at school)
5.4 Read a book you think would make a good gift (post your reasons why with your task)
5.5 (20 Points) Read two books that have the words: simple, gift, give, present, (to)day, or now in the title - or pictures of a gift(s) on the cover

BONUS Section "Awareness"
6.1 Read a book that has a LGBT main character (Gay and Lesbian History Month)
6.2 Read a book about a person with a disability (International Day of Disabled Persons; this can be physical, like deafness or wheelchair confinement, or mental, like autistic)
6.3 Read a book where a main character is subject to domestic or dating violence (Domestic Violence Awareness Month; Rules of Survival, Speak, and Dreamland would be examples)
6.4 Read a book about slavery or being kept prisoner (International Day for Abolition of Slavery; Poison Study, Chains, and Sold would examples)
6.5 (20 Points) Read two books for the heritage months in this challenge period: one that either takes place in a Hispanic country or has a Hispanic main character (Hispanic Heritage Month), and one that takes place on a reservation or whose main character is an American Indian (American Indian Heritage Month)

Thought of three more genres we might want to add?

Time Travel
Music (because there's a sports?)
Alternate Universe

Maree wrote: "Thought of three more genres we might want to add?

Time Travel
Music (because there's a sports?)
Alternate Universe"

We came up with the genres a couple years ago and we've stuck with them as our main genres because we didn't want to get crazy. Time travel and alternate universe both fit under Sci Fi.

Well, so can dystopian for the most part, just as fairy tale falls under fantasy or realistic, depending upon retelling.

Is there a thread that discussed the genres those years ago? I'm interested in the merits of the discussion and don't necessarily think they need to be rehashed, but I know a lot of people are relatively new to the board and wouldn't have been able to put in their input back then.

Maree wrote: "Well, so can dystopian for the most part, just as fairy tale falls under fantasy or realistic, depending upon retelling.

Is there a thread that discussed the genres those years ago? I'm intereste..."

I agree, we have a lot of genres that are sub-genres. I'd rather see us have fewer but more broad genres than more adding more sub-genres.

Maree, the genre question was discussed as part of Challenge 5. You can find the debate here: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/3.... Go to page 2. Fee free to revive the debate here or in that thread.

Thanks Jennifer. Okay, so we'll say the two SciFi ones are out as they're adding more sub-genres. I think either that Music should be included as a genre or that Sports should be taken out as a genre, because they balance each other a bit. But if I'm outvoted, that's cool too, I'll go with the majority.

So, is the format set? I need to work on my list before I get birthday crazy!! (lol)

Oh, and be sure to include the typical intro for people who may be joining for the first time.

I really like what you have done and look forward to this. I will have to work on it before and after NANO in November, so I want to have my "leisure" time set up. You all are so cook.

I think it's pretty much set, yeah! How awesome that you do NANO, Lydia. I hope you have a great time with it.

Oh, I do. I did finish last year and have been working on editing my YA book since. We developed a critique group and that has been helpful. I have another YA book to work on in November. Thanks for the support.