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Oct 09, 2016 10:13AM

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There is no money being made; it's strictly about reviews which as I pointed out isn't exactly the right approach. My good GR friend and author Marie Silk also pointed out in her blog that these reviews are not always considered legitimate by Amazon.
Some groups I have seen require people to buy the book but changes within Amazon are threatening a lot of the review groups so who knows what the future will bring!


No problem Joanna :) I'm not paying for the copies either; I have copies of them from when they get published.

However, first-time novelists can benefit tremendously from author reviews as they will highlight areas of weakness, that when corrected, will ultimately result in four and five-star reviews.
Good stuff !!

I also participated in a review group (might have been the same one as Eldon) and agree with him that I probably won't do it again. His reasoning seems pretty solid to me. He is absolutely right that you end up reviewing books that you normally wouldn't select and conversely you are reviewed by authors who wouldn't select your genre. I will say that I thought the reviews were fair and helpful, but I would also like a reviewer, like any other reader, to enjoy the experience....not have to plow through it like some chore.
Slightly off topic, but I really don't mind some lower rated reviews. I think that adds credibility to your overall rating and, if the reviewer was thoughtful, some insights into what turns some readers on and off. In other words, a chance to improve.
When I see a small number of reviews, all wildly positive, I wonder if the author is on the friends and family plan. I know this isn't fair, but the skeptic in me says you can't please everybody. I need to work on being a better person. :-)

There is no question in my mind that new or old authors can benefit from fellow authors reviewing thier work; in total agreement with you Rafael.
And you bring up an excellent point; how many reviews is too many? There are books on this site with thousands of reviews of which I'd wager thousands have never been read! There does come a point where beyond that number the effort is wasted.
Personally if I read reviews at all I will only read 4 or 5 at the most. To be taken seriously though an author needs more than that.

I also participated in ..."
You've understood my message perfectly George!
I likewise want my readers to want to read the book and not approach it like a school assignment.
I'm also with you on entirely positive reviews. When combined with a low number of them I always wonder if they accurately portray the book or are just a collection of friend reviews. So I guess we both need to work on our skepticism :)

Hmm. I've participated in 2 review rounds (signed up when I first got to GR) and will never do one again.
I want readers to CHOOSE my stuff. Not cuz I have a big ego (although he does have a name so I reckon he's kinda sorta big LOL) but cuz I don't want someone to "suffer" through my book, ya know? With that said, non-reciprocal review rounds can be helpful to new authors who aren't super keen on rolling up their sleeves to garner reviews, or even more seasoned authors who are still too stubborn to do it haha! But, yeah, with a little creativity and elbow grease, reviews can easily be achieved in other ways.
Now as for the reviews not being important past a certain number (the consensus seems to be 25?) I would have to disagree wholeheartedly on that point. Here's the thing...
If you ever wanna make NYT bestseller or even USA Today bestseller, you'll most likely NEED to be accepted by BookBub and they are craaaazy picky. They look at everything. And I mean EVERYTHING. Cover, blurb, reviews, even your author site/profile.
I recently submitted to BookBub and was rejected. Sure, it could be my erotic-ish cover and the censored profanity in my blurb. However, it could also be the fact that I only had 47 reviews on Amazon.com at the time. Since there's no way of knowing for sure, I'm gonna get my reviews up to 100, pull the f-bomb out, keep the cover cuz I dig it *smirks* and resubmit in 3 to 4 months time.
Here's my thought process: Maybe reviews don't matter or maybe they do. Who the heck knows? And honestly, who the heck cares? All I know is they certainly don't hurt so why not give ourselves the best chance, eh?
Anyhoo, just my free cents. Sorry for rambling so much LMAO!!
Hugsss,
Ann

Now maybe I'm naive (actually I'm sure I am lol) but I think you make the bestseller lists by having thousands of people buy your book not necessarily review it.
At the end of the day for me success relies on what we write not what someone else writes you know? :D

You DO make bestseller lists by having thousands of people buy your book in a short period of time but how exactly do you think we accomplish that?
I did a promo with ENT this Saturday and got bumped into the Top 100 in the Paid Kindle Store in a contemporary romance subcategory. I only stayed there for ~6hrs and didn't even come close to Top 100 overall (highest was #1560). I'd have to sell over double the copies per day consistently for at least one week straight to even think about possibly squeezing into the USA Today bestseller's list. I NEED BookBub for that. It's absolutely not gonna happen any other way. Like zero chance. As for NYT bestseller? I looked up the numbers and *cries in corner* I'll figure that out later LMAO!!
Anyhoo, I hear what you're saying loud and clear. TONS of authors have the mindset that reviews and reader opinions don't hold any weight cuz they're subjective anyway, right?
I guess I'm the complete opposite cuz personally, they hold all the weight in the world. I'll never change my style or try to conform to what's popular, and I couldn't care less if a review's positive or negative (well, maybe a tiny bit haha!) but I 100% care about making enough of an impact to be talked about.
For me, that's success. To each their own, eh? XD
Ehhh, super duper rambly tonight. Gonna stop now. Scout's honor.
Many hugs and so much love,
Ann

I can see your point and agree that in order to achieve any kind of commercial success you need sales and you can really only achieve large numbers by attaining visibility.
Bookbub obviously helps with that and since they no doubt have minimum requirements I can see why reviews would be so important for you.
My point though is that I would rather gain 1 devoted fan than 10 reviews because that fan will recommend my work to so many more people then the number of people who will read the reviews. Get where I'm coming from? I just believe in the end that fans of our work will provide us with greater visibility (thus success) then any number of reviews that may or may not be read by potential future readers :)