Euripides, Eumenides: What Marriage-Equality Advocates Can Learn From Aeschylus

One of the strange, yet non-negotiable principles upon which I base my life is that poetry actually matters. This bizarre quirk of mine got a big boost this week when Dr. Christopher P. Long came to Newman to talk about the liberal arts, and, specifically, Aeschylus’s great tragedy The Eumenidies—a presentation that, quite by coincidence, took place on the very day that the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the first of two marriage-equality cases that it will consider this term. Strangely enough (and really quite wonderfully), I now find myself characterizing this week's debates in terms set out 2500 years ago by democracy’s first great poet.

So let’s do a whirlwind tour of the Oresteia, the cycle of plays of which The Eumenidies is the third and final part. It all starts when Agamemnon sacrifices his daughter, Iphigenia, to the gods in order to get good winds for the Greek voyage to Troy. Ten years later, when Agamemnon returns from Troy, his wife Clytemnestra kills him in revenge. Their son, Orestes, is bound by Greek law and custom (and instructed by Apollo) to kill his father’s murderer, who happens to be his mother. When he does, the Eumenides (we usually call them “Furies”) punish him savagely for his matricidal act.

Since they are gods too—albeit gods of an older generation than Apollo—the Furies are not bound by Apollo’s instructions. They have an ancient right to torment the hell out of people who do really bad things, and they intend to collect. So it comes down to a trial scene where everybody agrees to allow a jury, led by Athena, to determine Orestes’ fate. The jury deadlocks and Athena gets the final vote, which she casts for Orestes. And that’s when the fun really starts.

Athena must somehow persuade the Furies to go along with her decision. And Apollo is no help at all. His bright idea is to tell the Eumenides what stupid, old-fashioned troglodytes they are. Not only are Apollo’s actions immoral (Athena could care less about that, really), they are strategically unsound. Though the Furies are part of an older generation of gods, they are still very powerful, and they can make everybody’s life miserable for a very long time.

But civilization itself depends on Athena’s response. And as long as the community is mired in an “eye-for-an-eye” system of personal retribution, it can never become the center of art, wisdom, and democracy that Athena envisions for the city that bears her name. Athens needs a judicial system based on the rule of law, not a personal code of ever escalating revenge.

So, what does Athena do? Four things. Four really good things. And, as I look across America this week (as represented by my Facebook and blog feeds at least), I have become convinced that they are precisely the four things that proponents of marriage equality need to try too (feel free to skip over the actual lines, but I am going to include them because, darn it, poetry matters):

1. She reminds them that the decision was the result of a deliberative process that they accepted, even if they did not like the outcome. In this way she privileges the rule of law over any particular result of that law:

Listen to me. I would not have you be so grieved.
For you have not been beaten. This was the result
of a fair ballot which was even. You were not
dishonored, but the luminous evidence of Zeus
was there. (793-97)

2. She assures them that they will have an honored place in the new social order that will result, thus easing their fears that they will simply be cast aside when a new order, with a different value system, emerges:

In complete honesty I promise you a place
of your own, deep hidden under ground that is yours by right
where you shall sit on shining chairs beside the hearth
to accept devotions offered by your citizens. (804-07)

3. She offers them respect for their experience, and she values their perspective the same time that she asserts the superiority of her own:

I will bear your angers. You are elder born than I
and in that you are wiser far than I. Yet still
Zeus gave me too intelligence not to be despised
If you go away into some land of foreigners,
I warn you, you will come to love this country. Time
in his forward flood shall ever grow more dignified
for the people of the city. And you, in your place
of eminence beside Erechtheus in his house
shall win from female and from make processionals
more than all lands of men beside could ever give. (848-858)

4. She subtly reminds them of her coercive power without being a jerk about it.

No, not dishonored. You are goddesses. Do not

in too much anger make this place of mortal men

uninhabitable. I have Zeus behind me. Do

we need to speak of that? I am the only god

who know the keys to where his thunderbolts are locked.

We do not need such, do we? (824-28)



The social upheaval that Aeschylus characterizes in The Eumenides—the transition from a society based on personal codes of retribution to one based on the rule of law—was as profound as any transition the world has ever seen. The older set of values (personal retribution) had been in place for a long time, and they seemed wholly in accord with the laws of nature. If somebody kills your father, of course you are supposed to kill him back. Duh!

Democracy and the rule of law, on the other hand, were completely untested ways to govern a society. And that made many people legitimately scared. Apollo cannot recognize this at all, so he spends his time insulting, sneering at, and feeling superior to, those who represent the older value system. This makes him feel good, to be sure, much like the perfect snarky zinger on Facebook makes me feel like, well, a Greek god. But it does not actually persuade anybody of anything.

Athena, however, does not have the luxury of throwing feel-good rhetorical grenades. If she fails to persuade her immortal opponents to accept her judgment, Orestes, and Athens, will suffer tremendously. All of the good that she plans to do rests on her ability coax cooperation where it can only be imperfectly compelled. She has a moral duty to be persuasive.

That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing. And big social changes regarding the definition of marriage are on their way. All of the entrails point that way, and even Nate Silver, our very own Delphic oracle, agrees. Big social movement means that, whatever the decision of the Supreme Court this term, the coercive power of the state—laws, court decisions, etc.—will be increasingly on the side of those favoring marriage equality.

And, though much has changed from the earliest days of recorded time, persuasion is still a better strategy than invective, for the Euminides are destined to be with us always. Large blocks of voters, even if in the minority, retain (and should retain) a great deal of power to hamper even the most inevitable social changes. And all those who think themselves right about important issues have the same moral duty that Athena had: to be persuasive.
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message 1: by Seth (new)

Seth "That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find some entertaining use for this form of logic. The peaceful continuance of non-magical humans in England is proof that Voldemort was vanquished! And so was Sauron. Want proof? Just look around you. No orcs anywhere! And every human walking Earth, presently free from oppression by any outer-space aliens is proof that the MIB are doing an outstanding job!

In seriousness, I like Austin's advice very much. If only more people in this country would lay down their tools of censorship and take up persuasion instead!


message 2: by I. (new)

I. Big social movement means that, whatever the decision of the Supreme Court this term, the coercive power of the state—laws, court decisions, etc.—will be increasingly on the side of those favoring marriage equality.

Indeed, even if that movement was based on fantasy. We are now in The Current Year, 2017, where Obergefell has been implemented for two years in the United States. The arguments given for marriage equality were thus:

1. It was cruel, unfair, and reminiscent of the ban on interracial marriage.
2. We are depriving same-sex couples of loving, long-lasting unions and the right to adopt.
3. Without marriage equality, gay and lesbian people will suffer mentally and physically, and may commit suicide.

The federal judges used these arguments to strike down the laws of their individual states, before the Supreme Court made its decision. We were told just as you wrote:

... they will have an honored place in the new social order that will result, thus easing their fears that they will simply be cast aside when a new order, with a different value system, emerges...

There would be no slippery slope, and no threat to society overall. Well, the Seattle mayor just got another charge of sex abuse, and more and more social re-education programs are geared towards children, when we were told that this was just for adults and that we should not care what they do in their bedrooms.

Cut to 2017. The years preceding the gay marriage decision, America was told, and believed, that there is a vast majority of gay people in America, and that there are a lot of same-sex households with children. America was told that homophobia and social stigma was to blame for any health and mental disparities between homosexuals and heterosexuals, and that gay marriage would erase that gap. Two years post-Obergefell, only 10.8% of same-sex couples get married, and that of a 3% overall homosexual population - according to Pew Research Centre. Other data suggests that gay couples favour more open relationships and polyamorous relationships than heterosexuals, and that cheating or multiple loves are acceptable in that world. This is contrary to the stable, white-picket fence view we were led to believe.

I get the impression that the straight world really doesn't want to know or care about the gay world, because the reality is too harsh to comprehend. Randy Shilts warned us in his book And the Band Played On but his warnings went unheeded. I think we all wanted to forget what happened in the 1980's, and exchanged that reality for a pristine future where all live in happy diversity and sexual freedom.

Well, the overall happiness of gay couples hasn't improved, even with gay marriage. Did you not tell us that these social changes were on the 'right side of history', and that those who voted and/or supported this idea would feel good that they brought about social upheaval in the name of progress? How do the Right Siders of History feel that the people they wanted marriage equality for don't get married, despite all the hoopla and all the gay celebrities showing around their proud partners?

Marriage equality advocates should learn from Aeschines instead, and how men like Timarchus undermine the state. Since the 'victory' was achieved in the United States, I assume you want the same for Australia? The world? How do the Right-Siders of History feel about undermining national sovereignty in exchange for the 'right' to make some people happy?

Or perhaps they just Didn't Mean That. We must reclaim our history and our culture from the Right. Correct? We have to change laws and control people via social movements using purely emotional arguments based on plucking the heartstrings?

Marriage 'equality' only means what you make it to be. Who says it is between two people? Who says the Church or State has to recognize it? Who says the pomp and word belongs to just one group of individuals? When you exclude one, you must make way for others. That is the end goal of progress.

I have noticed marriage equality advocates love the punchline. But do they care for the end product? Do they realize that the equality they seek is for only a minority? I suppose not. But the persuasion is all the matters, even if people are still deceived. Even if the author uses social persuasion to get people to think the Founders were wrong. Or to get people to think the Right has things that need to be 'reclaimed'.

Oh, one last thing: Nate Silver, the great Oracle, didn't do good on the 2016 election, didn't he?


message 3: by I. (new)

I. Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find some entertaining use for this form of l..."


Persuasion is great when the product you're selling is inherently flawed. It's also great to sell censorship in the name of equality.


message 4: by Lilo (new)

Lilo Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find some entertaining use for this form of l..."


What makes you think we live in a civilized society? Where have you been since June 2015? The language being used by our, meanwhile, "Dear Leader" is not exactly what I would define as "civilized". And the actions of our "Dear Leader" haven't been either.


message 5: by I. (new)

I. Lilo wrote: "Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find some entertaining use for t..."


Yeah, it's so awful that the US has a President that has a busload of people who are continuously offended at what he says.

You must constantly be triggered.


message 6: by Lilo (new)

Lilo Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find some entertain..."


It's not a matter of being offended. It's a matter of being utterly annoyed and even more worried to see a vulgar, uneducated, unscrupulous, megalomanic imbecile on tv every day and know that he is now the leader of the most powerful country of the (supposed to be) free world. It is his clear goal to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship. And he might not even stop there. You probably know what happened to Austria in 1937.

All concerns about destroyed democracy aside, the danger of a WWIII rises considerably with a belligerent idiot as Commander in Chief.


message 7: by I. (new)

I. Lilo wrote: "Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed?

I may find..."


Ah, that classic 'X is like Hitler!' trope. Yes, it's obvious you are offended, and 'worried' over something that you no doubt cry in the corner about.

By the way, do you know what the term 'Nazi' actually means in its original German?


message 8: by Lilo (last edited Apr 13, 2018 09:14PM) (new)

Lilo Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess Athena existed..."

My time is too valuable to waste it on someone as ignorant and arrogant as you are. I did not seek any discussion with you. I just corrected your false assumption that I was offended. And don't assume that I am now offended by your comment. I am just annoyed. But never mind. You are, obviously, not able to differentiate between "offended" and "annoyed".

Crawl into Trump's behind if you like, but leave me alone and don't bother me any more.


message 9: by I. (new)

I. Lilo wrote: "Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Clever wrote: "Lilo wrote: "Seth wrote: ""That we live in a civilized society today is proof that Athena knew what she was doing??" Does this also prove that the Goddess..."

What false assumption? Your words give you away. You were annoyed, couldn't help but bring up the US President, and couldn't help but shriek on how 'racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted' such an individual was (you didn't get there yet, but you would have).

If you weren't offended, why would you keep insisting you aren't?


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