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round of applause for Lucy!!!
Excellent response.
I actually asked my grade 10 students if they believed the couple would be together if not for the feud... very few thought they would be. They believed that part of the attraction between the couple (none of them believed such a short relationship could result in love) was based on the idea of the other person being "forbidden". They are attracted to each other, yes, but they decide to get married directly after addressing the issue of their families hating each other (in the second conversation they ever have).
In addition, they thought that if the plan had worked and the couple ended up together they would not have been happy either... most of them figured it would only be a matter of time before Romeo "fell in love" with someone else, or before they resent one another for the deaths of Mercutio and Tybalt, or Juliet resents him for "making" her leave her family....
Sorry for the hijack... this was just a really good response, and I totally agree with you Lucy!
This gave me a different perspective on how I viewed the situation. Both of the parents were the main cause of Romeo and Juliet's deaths, and so was Friar Lawrence because he didn't communicate well enough.
I agree with your extensive response. Good job!
I agree with you. Juliet's parents were pressuring her way too much at such a young age too. Lord Capulet should have been the one to stop Paris when he suggested marrying his daughter when she was only thirteen years old which is what led to Juliet faking her death.
I actually agree very much with you. Lady Capulet wasn't much of a mother to her only child and she didn't know Juliet very well. Her parents only willed for her to have Paris and no one else simply because he had a high status. Juliet's parents didn't seem to care at all about the feelings of Juliet and under no circumstances did it seem that they would approve of Romeo marrying Juliet. In the end, I also agree that Lord and Lady Capulet may be at fault for the death of Romeo and Juliet.
In a story like this, you have to consider context and time. Nowadays, if a parent acted like that, it would have been horrendous. But back then, Juliet was of age to marry. And as a women, her entire job was to marry. Her family wanted what was best for her, someone to support her when they died because she wasn't going to inherit that money. Marrying Paris was literally the only way for her to secure her self a place other then the streets. Marrying for love was something rare for those in the noble families. You married for money, alliances, honor, and other things. But love was never a factor. Romeo had nothing and could have never provided for her since her couldn't use that family money on her due to him probably getting married (that is if he didn't stupidly get exiled first). Yes, yes, that is very misogynistic, but that was the norm.
If anything, Romeo and Juliet are to mostly blame. It was them who decided to try and get married despite the families having a horrible feud (why, I am not sure. Probably for a dumb reason, but alas we will probably never know). If they did go public with their relationship, what then? Juliet and Romeo would have most likely disowned, and the consequences for Juliet would have been huge since she lost her virginity. And Romeo's parent would have reacted in the same way. The grudge would have most likely gotten worse. There was no way this could have ended well. And in all honesty, Juliet was a but over dramatic. And that is saying a lot since this is in a play where a secondary character is killed over coming uninvited to a party. If they had thought about it for two seconds, they would have realized how this could only making things worse. And seriously, the Nurse and Friar Lawernce are two adults not being inflicted by hormones. They should have intervened at some point.
Going back to my original point, Juliet's parents were only doing what they thought was best. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, right? Yeah, they made some dumb decisions, but it was arguably out of love and for the protection of their daughter.
P.S, we don't know if Juliet didn't have friends or not. For a main character, there is a lot that we don't know about her. And remember, this took place over like 3 days, most of which was either spent with Romeo or planning her fake death. So she may have been a bit preoccupied to check in with her friends.
You make a very interesting and negotiable point. Juliet barely had any one to support her, and therefore hung on to her parents from the start. In fact in Act 1, Scene 3, lines 99-101, she says "I'll look to like, if looking liking move.
But no more deep will I indart mine eye
Than your consent gives strength to make it fly." She wouldn't devolp feelings for this man if her mum didn't want her too! And the one time she needs someone understanding on her side, everyone turns against her! So what is the purpose of her life if no one appreciates her except Romeo, even if it's 'young love'.
I agree with you. I believe that it is their parent's fault for their death. They couldn't let go of their grudge for each other, so this affected their children once they fell in love. If they didn't keep the family feud, Romeo and Juliet would not have killed themselves.
In that time, it was normal to get married at a young age, that's why Juliet's parents were pressuring her to get married, so you can't really get upset about how young Juliet is.
I don't agree with that assessment. Yes, in those days it was the "norm" to pressure young teens to get married, but that does not make it okay. teens brains back then are no different than today and are not ready for such commitment. It's just plain cruel, social emotional abuse for BOTH Juliet and Paris to be expected to be married so young when they did not love each other.
I agree with you! Juliet was forced and pressured by her parents to do something against her will at a very young age. If they didn't threaten her, she wouldn't have took the sleeping potion, which led to the deaths.
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Excellent response. I actually asked my grade 10 students if they believed the couple would be together if not for the feud... very few thought they would be. They believed that part of the attraction between the couple (none of them believed such a short relationship could result in love) was based on the idea of the other person being "forbidden". They are attracted to each other, yes, but they decide to get married directly after addressing the issue of their families hating each other (in the second conversation they ever have).
In addition, they thought that if the plan had worked and the couple ended up together they would not have been happy either... most of them figured it would only be a matter of time before Romeo "fell in love" with someone else, or before they resent one another for the deaths of Mercutio and Tybalt, or Juliet resents him for "making" her leave her family....
Sorry for the hijack... this was just a really good response, and I totally agree with you Lucy!
This gave me a different perspective on how I viewed the situation. Both of the parents were the main cause of Romeo and Juliet's deaths, and so was Friar Lawrence because he didn't communicate well enough.
I agree with your extensive response. Good job!
I agree with you. Juliet's parents were pressuring her way too much at such a young age too. Lord Capulet should have been the one to stop Paris when he suggested marrying his daughter when she was only thirteen years old which is what led to Juliet faking her death.
I actually agree very much with you. Lady Capulet wasn't much of a mother to her only child and she didn't know Juliet very well. Her parents only willed for her to have Paris and no one else simply because he had a high status. Juliet's parents didn't seem to care at all about the feelings of Juliet and under no circumstances did it seem that they would approve of Romeo marrying Juliet. In the end, I also agree that Lord and Lady Capulet may be at fault for the death of Romeo and Juliet.
In a story like this, you have to consider context and time. Nowadays, if a parent acted like that, it would have been horrendous. But back then, Juliet was of age to marry. And as a women, her entire job was to marry. Her family wanted what was best for her, someone to support her when they died because she wasn't going to inherit that money. Marrying Paris was literally the only way for her to secure her self a place other then the streets. Marrying for love was something rare for those in the noble families. You married for money, alliances, honor, and other things. But love was never a factor. Romeo had nothing and could have never provided for her since her couldn't use that family money on her due to him probably getting married (that is if he didn't stupidly get exiled first). Yes, yes, that is very misogynistic, but that was the norm. If anything, Romeo and Juliet are to mostly blame. It was them who decided to try and get married despite the families having a horrible feud (why, I am not sure. Probably for a dumb reason, but alas we will probably never know). If they did go public with their relationship, what then? Juliet and Romeo would have most likely disowned, and the consequences for Juliet would have been huge since she lost her virginity. And Romeo's parent would have reacted in the same way. The grudge would have most likely gotten worse. There was no way this could have ended well. And in all honesty, Juliet was a but over dramatic. And that is saying a lot since this is in a play where a secondary character is killed over coming uninvited to a party. If they had thought about it for two seconds, they would have realized how this could only making things worse. And seriously, the Nurse and Friar Lawernce are two adults not being inflicted by hormones. They should have intervened at some point.
Going back to my original point, Juliet's parents were only doing what they thought was best. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, right? Yeah, they made some dumb decisions, but it was arguably out of love and for the protection of their daughter.
P.S, we don't know if Juliet didn't have friends or not. For a main character, there is a lot that we don't know about her. And remember, this took place over like 3 days, most of which was either spent with Romeo or planning her fake death. So she may have been a bit preoccupied to check in with her friends.
You make a very interesting and negotiable point. Juliet barely had any one to support her, and therefore hung on to her parents from the start. In fact in Act 1, Scene 3, lines 99-101, she says "I'll look to like, if looking liking move.But no more deep will I indart mine eye
Than your consent gives strength to make it fly." She wouldn't devolp feelings for this man if her mum didn't want her too! And the one time she needs someone understanding on her side, everyone turns against her! So what is the purpose of her life if no one appreciates her except Romeo, even if it's 'young love'.
I agree with you. I believe that it is their parent's fault for their death. They couldn't let go of their grudge for each other, so this affected their children once they fell in love. If they didn't keep the family feud, Romeo and Juliet would not have killed themselves.
In that time, it was normal to get married at a young age, that's why Juliet's parents were pressuring her to get married, so you can't really get upset about how young Juliet is.
I don't agree with that assessment. Yes, in those days it was the "norm" to pressure young teens to get married, but that does not make it okay. teens brains back then are no different than today and are not ready for such commitment. It's just plain cruel, social emotional abuse for BOTH Juliet and Paris to be expected to be married so young when they did not love each other.
I agree with you! Juliet was forced and pressured by her parents to do something against her will at a very young age. If they didn't threaten her, she wouldn't have took the sleeping potion, which led to the deaths.
