Hi, thanks for your thoughts! I completely read the treaty scene in a different way. He or Lucien mention at some point that Tamlin had actively sent out his scouts in the form of wolves before in order to get a human to kill them but it hadn't worked. So Tamlin shut the idea down and refused to do it anymore. So Andras decided to go out on his own and try and get killed anyway which worked, because Feyre shot him. I never got the impression that Tamlin would actually have killed either Feyre or her family. I think it was all intimidation tactics and a bluff. And I think there is a lot to support that because when we learn of Tamlin's past, we learn that he would hate to harm humans. That if he could, he would fight on the human's side against faeries. So I think he was bluffing completely in order to force her to go. Plus, I don't think that he would kill her or her family in such a horrendous way if Feyre didn't go with him yet when she DOES finally go with him, you find out he glamoured them into thinking that she was with a rich aunt (so they wouldn't be sad about her) and he provided them with enough money to get out of poverty. All this really leads me to believe that Tamlin would have never hurt her or her family or any human for that.
And I think that Tamlin held her in the Spring Court to take advantage of Andras' sacrifice. And he actually told her she is free to go anywhere in Pyrinthian (sorry, forgot how to spell it). He didn't force her to stay there but he also knew she wouldn't be safe wandering around on her own. But anyway, he knew Andras had died in order to give the Spring Court one last chance to break Amarantha's curse so I think he did take her with him in order to not waste Andras' sacrifice. I don't see this as any more "wrong" then how Rhys also used Feyre a lot in order to take down Amarantha. For example, part of the reason that we learn he ends up putting her in skimpy dresses and making her dance for him is so he can rile up Tamlin enough to want to kill Amarantha. So its still the idea of using Feyre, in a way, to bring down Amarantha. So thats why I don't see it so bad that Tamlin took advantage of Andras' sacrifice. Since Andras had already died, it would be a total waste to not at least TRY and see if the woman who killed him could ever fall in love with him. And I don't even think his heart was in it at first when he tried. He wasn't a smooth lothario. He had difficulty being open with her because i think some part of him hated the situation he was in. Thats why he let her go in the end, back to her family. Becuase he couldn't stand the idea of using a human for faerie ends. And I also don't agree with Tamlin not viewing humans with high standards. He treats Feyre's family well by setting them up nicely while she is gone. He says that he would fight with humans against faeries if it came down to it because it makes him sick to see how humans were treated. I just don't think he knows much about humans. He is as ignorant, in a way, about humans as Feyre is about the fae. And we don't seem to judge Feyre for having a bad opinion of faeries in the start of the book, so I don't think we should judge Tamlin on maybe having a slightly ignorant stance on humans. But he never talks badly about humans or seem to judge them. The worst he ever says is that Feyre isn't what he expected as a human and I think he makes allusions to Fae people being stronger (true) than humans. I guess he also says that its an honor for a human to be served by a high fae so that can be seen as snobbish but, again, he has never been with humans and i think at this point in the book he is just conflicted about how he has to now try and get the woman who killed his friend to love him.
But yes, no hate whatsoever. I love discussing alternate theories because it makes you think about things from a different perspective. Thank you for your thoughts!
I completely read the treaty scene in a different way. He or Lucien mention at some point that Tamlin had actively sent out his scouts in the form of wolves before in order to get a human to kill them but it hadn't worked. So Tamlin shut the idea down and refused to do it anymore. So Andras decided to go out on his own and try and get killed anyway which worked, because Feyre shot him. I never got the impression that Tamlin would actually have killed either Feyre or her family. I think it was all intimidation tactics and a bluff. And I think there is a lot to support that because when we learn of Tamlin's past, we learn that he would hate to harm humans. That if he could, he would fight on the human's side against faeries. So I think he was bluffing completely in order to force her to go. Plus, I don't think that he would kill her or her family in such a horrendous way if Feyre didn't go with him yet when she DOES finally go with him, you find out he glamoured them into thinking that she was with a rich aunt (so they wouldn't be sad about her) and he provided them with enough money to get out of poverty. All this really leads me to believe that Tamlin would have never hurt her or her family or any human for that.
And I think that Tamlin held her in the Spring Court to take advantage of Andras' sacrifice. And he actually told her she is free to go anywhere in Pyrinthian (sorry, forgot how to spell it). He didn't force her to stay there but he also knew she wouldn't be safe wandering around on her own. But anyway, he knew Andras had died in order to give the Spring Court one last chance to break Amarantha's curse so I think he did take her with him in order to not waste Andras' sacrifice. I don't see this as any more "wrong" then how Rhys also used Feyre a lot in order to take down Amarantha. For example, part of the reason that we learn he ends up putting her in skimpy dresses and making her dance for him is so he can rile up Tamlin enough to want to kill Amarantha. So its still the idea of using Feyre, in a way, to bring down Amarantha.
So thats why I don't see it so bad that Tamlin took advantage of Andras' sacrifice. Since Andras had already died, it would be a total waste to not at least TRY and see if the woman who killed him could ever fall in love with him. And I don't even think his heart was in it at first when he tried. He wasn't a smooth lothario. He had difficulty being open with her because i think some part of him hated the situation he was in. Thats why he let her go in the end, back to her family. Becuase he couldn't stand the idea of using a human for faerie ends.
And I also don't agree with Tamlin not viewing humans with high standards. He treats Feyre's family well by setting them up nicely while she is gone. He says that he would fight with humans against faeries if it came down to it because it makes him sick to see how humans were treated. I just don't think he knows much about humans. He is as ignorant, in a way, about humans as Feyre is about the fae. And we don't seem to judge Feyre for having a bad opinion of faeries in the start of the book, so I don't think we should judge Tamlin on maybe having a slightly ignorant stance on humans. But he never talks badly about humans or seem to judge them. The worst he ever says is that Feyre isn't what he expected as a human and I think he makes allusions to Fae people being stronger (true) than humans. I guess he also says that its an honor for a human to be served by a high fae so that can be seen as snobbish but, again, he has never been with humans and i think at this point in the book he is just conflicted about how he has to now try and get the woman who killed his friend to love him.
But yes, no hate whatsoever. I love discussing alternate theories because it makes you think about things from a different perspective. Thank you for your thoughts!