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Oh, and I actually don't blame Tamlin for biting Feyre on Calanmai and acting like he did under magic. That's understandable, he wasn't in control of himself. What he did wrong, from my POV, is that he didn't tell her WHAT Calanmai actually was. What it meant and what was going to happen. Well, I get why he didn't tell her - because he was trying to woo her to break the curse/was starting to develop feelings for her, he didn't want to confess that he was going to have wild sex all night long with someone else. That would put Feyre off/offend her/piss her off. The decent thing to do would be tell her the truth - that Calanmai is a grand orgie among the Fae folk and they if she goes out, she would be raped by whoever gets her first, because all creatures from all courts were allowed to roam freely the territory.
And this is an excerpt from the book where we learn that there is no a "life for a life" provision in the Treaty (from a conversation between Feyre and Alis).
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«The Treaty—”
“That was all a lie. There was no provision for that in the Treaty. You can kill as many innocent faeries as you want and never suffer the consequences. You just killed Andras, sent out by Tamlin as that day’s sacrifice.» ***
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Where do you get the idea that Tamlin sends her back to the mortal realm because he doesn't want to manipulate her? Even as he's sending her back, he's being manipulative: he makes her feel frightened by again repeating how dangerous everything in Prythean is, he makes her feel bad when she presses him by telling her it's so hard for him, all the while lying to her about the fact that she'll be no more safe behind the wall, not since Tamlin at that point has given up, ensuring that the rest of Prythean will be trapped under Amarantha's control indefinitely.
She is a prisoner for the reasons I already gave: He threatens that if she doesn't go to his house he'll kill her, then he threatens that if she leaves his house al the awful horrible nightmarish creatures will kill her, then he makes her feel like she owes him the world by surrounding her in luxury and finery and keeping her sisters and father rich. Not all prisons are protected by physical barriers. But for somebody to be put in a room, told to stay there or else, only to descover that if they'd left they'd most likely have been raped: and the person who'd raped them (Tamlin) would consider it her fault for not following his commands, that he'd given no reason for. My point is not about his instincts, that there is a risk he'd rape her - my point is the way he locked her in a room, wouldn't tell her why, and would have considered her at fault if he had raped her - that's controlling to the max. Serious alarm bells went off at his response the day after at the table.
How can you say that's not imprisonment, that's not manipulation?
Yes, he lets Feyre go so that he won't have to watch her be tortured, I never said otherwise. He fell in love with her, he considered her his, and he's extremely controlling and protective of what's his. Of course he'd send her to the human realm, and sentence everyone in Prythean to suffer. It's the same thing he does at the end of ACOMAF.
That you say he's not trying to woo her to break the curse...if you don't think that's why he brought her there, is lying to her, and is wooing her - then what reason do you think he ha? Because every reason given in the book is that one: he needed to use her, her love for him, to break the curse. For that, he had to find her, keep her in his house till she fell in love with him, then brek the curse. But he fell in love so he changed his mind, doomed Prythean, so that he wouldn't have to risk suffering seeing the woman he loved tortured and killed.
Tamlin stopped sending his fey for years, but he started sending them when they found Feyre - that wolf was there on his order. And yes we do know he lied: Alis said so when she told Feyre the truth about everything. That he'd lied to her to get her over the border.
I don't like Rhys and dislike Tamlike: like I said I dont think he's evil. Being a controlling person, or manipulative, that's only some aspects of a person's character. There is god in Tamlin, but I think after seeing Feyre suffer - after seeing the one thing he never ever wanted to happen (to lose control, not be able to protect what's his). It really shouldn't be surprising his control got worse after that. I don't dispute that Tamlin is good in many ways: I dispute that the ways in which he is portrayed in ACOMAF is contrary to the way he was portrayed in ACOTAR.
"He says she can go anywhere in Prythian and not stay with him" - Yes, he says this, and then he says if she leaves, her family will no longer be cared for. THAT is manipulation. Saying she must come with him or die (because of a treaty that doesn't exist) is manipulation. Not that I blame him, but let's call it what it is.
For the record on Calanmai. Like Natalia, I don't blame Tamlin for not being entirely himself and losing control. I blame him for saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions because Feyre didn't listen to orders. I blame him for not owning up to his behavior, and instead not even blaming the magic, but blaming FEYRE. I blame him for not telling Feyre why he wanted her to stay in her room.
There difference with Rhysand over the mating bond? Immediately after he tensed over Azriel looking at Feyre, Rhys flashed her an apologetic look. He didn't blame Feyre, or Azriel. He doesn't blame Cassian. He takes responsibility. Tamlin does not.
I am so happy you wrote this! I think you hit it on the head about in inorganic dynamics of their relationship and how it went my entire grain how Tamllin was dramatically changed. I liked this book and the love story between Rhys and Feyre but the quick progression and demonizing of Tamlins character was wrong.
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Oh, and I actually don't blame Tamlin for biting Feyre on Calanmai and acting like he did under magic. That's understandable, he wasn't in control of himself. What he did wrong, from my POV, is that he didn't tell her WHAT Calanmai actually was. What it meant and what was going to happen. Well, I get why he didn't tell her - because he was trying to woo her to break the curse/was starting to develop feelings for her, he didn't want to confess that he was going to have wild sex all night long with someone else. That would put Feyre off/offend her/piss her off. The decent thing to do would be tell her the truth - that Calanmai is a grand orgie among the Fae folk and they if she goes out, she would be raped by whoever gets her first, because all creatures from all courts were allowed to roam freely the territory.
And this is an excerpt from the book where we learn that there is no a "life for a life" provision in the Treaty (from a conversation between Feyre and Alis).***
«The Treaty—”
“That was all a lie. There was no provision for that in the Treaty. You can kill as many innocent faeries as you want and never suffer the consequences. You just killed Andras, sent out by Tamlin as that day’s sacrifice.» ***
@JessicaWhere do you get the idea that Tamlin sends her back to the mortal realm because he doesn't want to manipulate her? Even as he's sending her back, he's being manipulative: he makes her feel frightened by again repeating how dangerous everything in Prythean is, he makes her feel bad when she presses him by telling her it's so hard for him, all the while lying to her about the fact that she'll be no more safe behind the wall, not since Tamlin at that point has given up, ensuring that the rest of Prythean will be trapped under Amarantha's control indefinitely.
She is a prisoner for the reasons I already gave: He threatens that if she doesn't go to his house he'll kill her, then he threatens that if she leaves his house al the awful horrible nightmarish creatures will kill her, then he makes her feel like she owes him the world by surrounding her in luxury and finery and keeping her sisters and father rich. Not all prisons are protected by physical barriers. But for somebody to be put in a room, told to stay there or else, only to descover that if they'd left they'd most likely have been raped: and the person who'd raped them (Tamlin) would consider it her fault for not following his commands, that he'd given no reason for. My point is not about his instincts, that there is a risk he'd rape her - my point is the way he locked her in a room, wouldn't tell her why, and would have considered her at fault if he had raped her - that's controlling to the max. Serious alarm bells went off at his response the day after at the table.
How can you say that's not imprisonment, that's not manipulation?
Yes, he lets Feyre go so that he won't have to watch her be tortured, I never said otherwise. He fell in love with her, he considered her his, and he's extremely controlling and protective of what's his. Of course he'd send her to the human realm, and sentence everyone in Prythean to suffer. It's the same thing he does at the end of ACOMAF.
That you say he's not trying to woo her to break the curse...if you don't think that's why he brought her there, is lying to her, and is wooing her - then what reason do you think he ha? Because every reason given in the book is that one: he needed to use her, her love for him, to break the curse. For that, he had to find her, keep her in his house till she fell in love with him, then brek the curse. But he fell in love so he changed his mind, doomed Prythean, so that he wouldn't have to risk suffering seeing the woman he loved tortured and killed.
Tamlin stopped sending his fey for years, but he started sending them when they found Feyre - that wolf was there on his order. And yes we do know he lied: Alis said so when she told Feyre the truth about everything. That he'd lied to her to get her over the border.
I don't like Rhys and dislike Tamlike: like I said I dont think he's evil. Being a controlling person, or manipulative, that's only some aspects of a person's character. There is god in Tamlin, but I think after seeing Feyre suffer - after seeing the one thing he never ever wanted to happen (to lose control, not be able to protect what's his). It really shouldn't be surprising his control got worse after that. I don't dispute that Tamlin is good in many ways: I dispute that the ways in which he is portrayed in ACOMAF is contrary to the way he was portrayed in ACOTAR.
"He says she can go anywhere in Prythian and not stay with him" - Yes, he says this, and then he says if she leaves, her family will no longer be cared for. THAT is manipulation. Saying she must come with him or die (because of a treaty that doesn't exist) is manipulation. Not that I blame him, but let's call it what it is.
For the record on Calanmai. Like Natalia, I don't blame Tamlin for not being entirely himself and losing control. I blame him for saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions because Feyre didn't listen to orders. I blame him for not owning up to his behavior, and instead not even blaming the magic, but blaming FEYRE. I blame him for not telling Feyre why he wanted her to stay in her room. There difference with Rhysand over the mating bond? Immediately after he tensed over Azriel looking at Feyre, Rhys flashed her an apologetic look. He didn't blame Feyre, or Azriel. He doesn't blame Cassian. He takes responsibility. Tamlin does not.
I am so happy you wrote this! I think you hit it on the head about in inorganic dynamics of their relationship and how it went my entire grain how Tamllin was dramatically changed. I liked this book and the love story between Rhys and Feyre but the quick progression and demonizing of Tamlins character was wrong.
With the curse, the thing is, even if Tamlin could tell Feyre about the curse, he wouldn't. Because imagine him saying"Look., Feyre, I brought you here so you would fall in love with me and break my curse". I don't think that would go very well with Feyre in the beginning. So at the start of the story, Tamlin did manipulate her and lie to her. I'm not saying that to elevate Rhysand, because he also lied and manipulated. I'm just saying that both Tamlin and Rhys manipulated and lied. Also, Tamlin sleep-drugged Feyre on the way to Prythian, so she could't see her way back. Not much different from what Rhysand did under the mountain, if you ask me.