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I sort of want a "Big Wolf" book. *chuckle* The whole frikkin' novel from his POV since there are quite a few scenes that drives me crazy when I (just as Little Wolf) can't figure out at all what's going through his head or why he acts in a certain way. ;)
hmm well that definitely makes me think we should get at least something from Nathaniel;s POV. Maybe even a glimpse inside his head would help people. (I remember, when Little Wolf was finally about 2/3 done--that book took forever--I had this realization of how amazing the book would have been through Nathaniel's point of view). Also, I think, the happiest thing in the world to Nathaniel, whether he admits it to himself or not, is the idea of someday being completely at the mercy of Little Wolf. Someday in the future, when Tim is happy and comfortable and safe (and better at sex), and he can boss Nathaniel around in bed, and take care of him, so that Nathaniel doesn't have to think or be in charge for a while. He would like that so much. ...And I think it would help Little Wolf too.
You must do that now you've put the idea into my head! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssseeeeeeee!!!
As soon as I know where these stories are going (they are leading me somewhere) I will let you know. But I haven't forgotten him. Nathaniel utterly at Tim's mercy, and so happy for it.
*lopsided smile* Like I said; I would love the whole book from Nathaniel's POV as a sort of mirror to "Little Wolf".
They both spend the whole book trying to figure each other out, but we only gets to see that from inside Tim's head. And I have an easier time understanding Tim in the first place. (I find it incredibly interesting that with all the talk about Tim being more human, he actually acts more like a real wolf than the other werewolves in town most of the time. I guess it's because he's not "nurtured" away from acting more like the "natural wolf"-side of himself, unlike werewolves raised among werewolves that gets into certain ways to act due to the picture of werewolves? (yes; I have been pondering this for a bit *sheepish laugh*))
In some scenes of the book when they interact and Tim just don't get Nathaniel at all I'm in total agreement with him and is trying to figure out Nathaniel just as much as he does. *laugh*
And it would be so much fun to see how Nathaniel's brain works when he's trying to figure out Tim in return. And why he decides to handle Tim in certain ways. I'm a curious person in general about how people work (I can people-watch pretty much forever and still manage to be weird in social situations), so I find it really interesting. *grins*
I'll... stop rambling now. *cough*
Well, Tim, who spent his formative years in the company of Silas, and being fed all of Silas's lies, does not know how to interpret his instincts. Wolves in the wild (real ones, not my werewolves, ha) are not especially aggressive. That is for when they are hunting, or threatened. Mostly they are a community that work together to bring down prey, raise young etc. Which is more of the Wolf's Paw model. Silas loves the idea of giant scary hyper aggressive wolves, and all that false "only the strong survive" misinterpretation of survival of the fittest. So Tim's instincts are conflicting with what Silas has been telling him. In addition to that, Tim is the victim of abuse--emotional, from Silas, and the threat of sexual abuse from Luca. So, when Tim arrives in Wolf's Paw, he's confused and terrified. He doesn't trust his instincts, or other wolves. Once Nathaniel realizes that, most of his choices are about doing whatever he has to in order for Little Wolf to feel safe. And then, every time Tim feels safer and more comfortable, Nathaniel does his best to give him space again to let Tim figure things out and learn to trust himself/his instincts. (Nathaniel has helped troubled wolves before, so he knows some of what to do. But Tim is a special case). Hmm I think Nathaniel's point of view would be sad a lot of the time. Every time he realizes how much other people hurt Tim (to an extent that Tim doesn't even realize until the end) or when Tim gets scared and lashes out at him, or when Nathaniel worries that Tim will still choose to leave him. I mean, it's Nathaniel's nature to give that much to his mate, and also he just believes in true love that much (the lovely dork) that he does all that for Tim, even if Tim might not choose to stay with him. But yeah, he's basically worn out and tense and scared and sad for almost the entire story. *f course* he has a little breakdown when Tim says yes, after months of that. He probably has a few more. He's beautiful and strong and wickedly smart, but he's still just a person, with an entire town (and a Little Wolf) who rely on him. Tim, full of Luca and Silas's bullshit, takes a long time to realize how vulnerable Nathaniel is. Ah. I hope I'm making sense. As Albert puts it later, Nathaniel is doing whatever it takes to make sure his mate is happy, whatever the cost to himself. <3 That boy.
Oh yes, I love that you made the town work more like wolves in the wild. *nods* I'm a total nerd when it comes to canines (not so strange since it was part of my education to work with dogs - have to learn about the basics (wolves) first. ;) ). And I love that you made Nathaniel a waaaay more natural pack leader than I normally see in werewolf fiction.
I was thinking more about communication and a few other details. *lopsided smile* I've never seen ANY species as awesome at communication as dogs (and wolves by extension, although I haven't exactly had the chance of seeing them interact so much with other species that they learn a lot of their language to the point of starting to "speak" it back to the other species).
Nathaniel is horrible at communication (which is a VERY human trait, we're basically the worst species in the world I think *laugh*), while Tim is constantly communicating - and every time he realise that Nathaniel doesn't understand what he's saying he's trying to go about it another way. (I totally admire and adore him for that - I wish I had more people like that around me in real life)
I get that Nathaniel thinks he's giving off all kinds of signals, but he gets stumped when he realise that Tim doesn't understand them (or maybe he just freezes because he's horrified? can't blame him for that. :P ). That's very human. Most pack animals are super quick at trying something else to make the other person understand what they mean, and then something else, and then something else (you should see my dog do this, sometimes he can try 10-15 different ways to "say" something before he gives up and turns to me to explain it to the other person if they still don't get it). It's like the werewolves in town has a very particular way of communication and are sort of "stuck" in that.
I'm curious about that. Wolf's Paw didn't get a lot of outside influence before they needed to increase tourism right? So is that why? Like.. I've seen that happen a lot with dogs that doesn't get the chance to meet other dogs in a natural way a lot from when they're young. Their communication definitely gets stunted, and sometimes they even learn weird little quirks of their own that "outsiders" can have a hard time understanding. (a bit like how a small town can have slang outsiders can't understand) We currently have a dog at work (daycare for dogs) that has this problem. He grew up in a house with a bunch of other dogs with bad circumstances, and they only met each other (with limited resources like space and food, which screws up any species - he's a rescue) and his language is terrible. It's incredibly stunted. So is there a sort of similar effect (although obviously not that bad) in town?
Just tell me if I'm asking too many questions. (and I feel like this comment section might not be the best place for my ramblings but it just happened, sorry) I'm just very intrigued by the world you've built. I love reading about it and I find myself constantly wanting to know more about the workings of stuff. xD
Ooooooh, Nathaniel at Tim's mercy with Nathaniel's POV? Yes, pretty pretty please with sugar and extra cherries on top. YUM!
And thank you so much for that extra insight into Nathaniel's head. I've only read the story twice, and with a lot of the goings-on in the story, each subsequent reading allows me to parse out the details I've already absorbed to branch out to other characters. Those two were for digging deeper into Tim's head, so I hadn't gotten to Nathaniel yet. :-)
Ah. Well Wolf's Paw was isolated by location--and choice. The wolves there were not welcoming to most humans, which makes sense, with their history. So it takes them extra effort to communicate with words like humans do. (Humans are so confusing with their tendency not to say what they mean, and all those lies! tsk. Not to mention all those false ideas about weres and beings they have been perpetuating.) Tim learned how Silas (and Luca and his ilk) communicated. And how humans communicated, at least enough to blend in. But the whole... talk without speaking, only be honest, there is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting how you feel thing that they do in Wolf's Paw? That is puzzling. In addition, because he doesn't use or trust his senses like the other wolves do, Tim is essentially missing a lot of the conversation. Nathaniel has been openly admiring him for *weeks* and Tim doesn't even realize it until that moment in the truck. No wonder Nathaniel was thrown. He knew Tim was afraid of him/big wolves in general, and that Tim didn't know what mates meant, but he at least thought Tim knew Nathaniel was interested in him. Nathaniel never hid it--Tim just couldn't "see" it.
As for Nathaniel and Ray. Well, nothing about future beings stories is set in stone (even to me, oy), but rest assured we are not done with Ray Ray.
Raaaay. Yes, definitely more Ray at some point. <3
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I sort of want a "Big Wolf" book. *chuckle* The whole frikkin' novel from his POV since there are quite a few scenes that drives me crazy when I (just as Little Wolf) can't figure out at all what's going through his head or why he acts in a certain way. ;)
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hmm well that definitely makes me think we should get at least something from Nathaniel;s POV. Maybe even a glimpse inside his head would help people. (I remember, when Little Wolf was finally about 2/3 done--that book took forever--I had this realization of how amazing the book would have been through Nathaniel's point of view). Also, I think, the happiest thing in the world to Nathaniel, whether he admits it to himself or not, is the idea of someday being completely at the mercy of Little Wolf. Someday in the future, when Tim is happy and comfortable and safe (and better at sex), and he can boss Nathaniel around in bed, and take care of him, so that Nathaniel doesn't have to think or be in charge for a while. He would like that so much. ...And I think it would help Little Wolf too.
You must do that now you've put the idea into my head! Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssseeeeeeee!!!
As soon as I know where these stories are going (they are leading me somewhere) I will let you know. But I haven't forgotten him. Nathaniel utterly at Tim's mercy, and so happy for it.
*lopsided smile* Like I said; I would love the whole book from Nathaniel's POV as a sort of mirror to "Little Wolf".They both spend the whole book trying to figure each other out, but we only gets to see that from inside Tim's head. And I have an easier time understanding Tim in the first place. (I find it incredibly interesting that with all the talk about Tim being more human, he actually acts more like a real wolf than the other werewolves in town most of the time. I guess it's because he's not "nurtured" away from acting more like the "natural wolf"-side of himself, unlike werewolves raised among werewolves that gets into certain ways to act due to the picture of werewolves? (yes; I have been pondering this for a bit *sheepish laugh*))
In some scenes of the book when they interact and Tim just don't get Nathaniel at all I'm in total agreement with him and is trying to figure out Nathaniel just as much as he does. *laugh*
And it would be so much fun to see how Nathaniel's brain works when he's trying to figure out Tim in return. And why he decides to handle Tim in certain ways. I'm a curious person in general about how people work (I can people-watch pretty much forever and still manage to be weird in social situations), so I find it really interesting. *grins*
I'll... stop rambling now. *cough*
Well, Tim, who spent his formative years in the company of Silas, and being fed all of Silas's lies, does not know how to interpret his instincts. Wolves in the wild (real ones, not my werewolves, ha) are not especially aggressive. That is for when they are hunting, or threatened. Mostly they are a community that work together to bring down prey, raise young etc. Which is more of the Wolf's Paw model. Silas loves the idea of giant scary hyper aggressive wolves, and all that false "only the strong survive" misinterpretation of survival of the fittest. So Tim's instincts are conflicting with what Silas has been telling him. In addition to that, Tim is the victim of abuse--emotional, from Silas, and the threat of sexual abuse from Luca. So, when Tim arrives in Wolf's Paw, he's confused and terrified. He doesn't trust his instincts, or other wolves. Once Nathaniel realizes that, most of his choices are about doing whatever he has to in order for Little Wolf to feel safe. And then, every time Tim feels safer and more comfortable, Nathaniel does his best to give him space again to let Tim figure things out and learn to trust himself/his instincts. (Nathaniel has helped troubled wolves before, so he knows some of what to do. But Tim is a special case). Hmm I think Nathaniel's point of view would be sad a lot of the time. Every time he realizes how much other people hurt Tim (to an extent that Tim doesn't even realize until the end) or when Tim gets scared and lashes out at him, or when Nathaniel worries that Tim will still choose to leave him. I mean, it's Nathaniel's nature to give that much to his mate, and also he just believes in true love that much (the lovely dork) that he does all that for Tim, even if Tim might not choose to stay with him. But yeah, he's basically worn out and tense and scared and sad for almost the entire story. *f course* he has a little breakdown when Tim says yes, after months of that. He probably has a few more. He's beautiful and strong and wickedly smart, but he's still just a person, with an entire town (and a Little Wolf) who rely on him. Tim, full of Luca and Silas's bullshit, takes a long time to realize how vulnerable Nathaniel is. Ah. I hope I'm making sense. As Albert puts it later, Nathaniel is doing whatever it takes to make sure his mate is happy, whatever the cost to himself. <3 That boy.
Oh yes, I love that you made the town work more like wolves in the wild. *nods* I'm a total nerd when it comes to canines (not so strange since it was part of my education to work with dogs - have to learn about the basics (wolves) first. ;) ). And I love that you made Nathaniel a waaaay more natural pack leader than I normally see in werewolf fiction.I was thinking more about communication and a few other details. *lopsided smile* I've never seen ANY species as awesome at communication as dogs (and wolves by extension, although I haven't exactly had the chance of seeing them interact so much with other species that they learn a lot of their language to the point of starting to "speak" it back to the other species).
Nathaniel is horrible at communication (which is a VERY human trait, we're basically the worst species in the world I think *laugh*), while Tim is constantly communicating - and every time he realise that Nathaniel doesn't understand what he's saying he's trying to go about it another way. (I totally admire and adore him for that - I wish I had more people like that around me in real life)
I get that Nathaniel thinks he's giving off all kinds of signals, but he gets stumped when he realise that Tim doesn't understand them (or maybe he just freezes because he's horrified? can't blame him for that. :P ). That's very human. Most pack animals are super quick at trying something else to make the other person understand what they mean, and then something else, and then something else (you should see my dog do this, sometimes he can try 10-15 different ways to "say" something before he gives up and turns to me to explain it to the other person if they still don't get it). It's like the werewolves in town has a very particular way of communication and are sort of "stuck" in that.
I'm curious about that. Wolf's Paw didn't get a lot of outside influence before they needed to increase tourism right? So is that why? Like.. I've seen that happen a lot with dogs that doesn't get the chance to meet other dogs in a natural way a lot from when they're young. Their communication definitely gets stunted, and sometimes they even learn weird little quirks of their own that "outsiders" can have a hard time understanding. (a bit like how a small town can have slang outsiders can't understand) We currently have a dog at work (daycare for dogs) that has this problem. He grew up in a house with a bunch of other dogs with bad circumstances, and they only met each other (with limited resources like space and food, which screws up any species - he's a rescue) and his language is terrible. It's incredibly stunted. So is there a sort of similar effect (although obviously not that bad) in town?
Just tell me if I'm asking too many questions. (and I feel like this comment section might not be the best place for my ramblings but it just happened, sorry) I'm just very intrigued by the world you've built. I love reading about it and I find myself constantly wanting to know more about the workings of stuff. xD
Ooooooh, Nathaniel at Tim's mercy with Nathaniel's POV? Yes, pretty pretty please with sugar and extra cherries on top. YUM!And thank you so much for that extra insight into Nathaniel's head. I've only read the story twice, and with a lot of the goings-on in the story, each subsequent reading allows me to parse out the details I've already absorbed to branch out to other characters. Those two were for digging deeper into Tim's head, so I hadn't gotten to Nathaniel yet. :-)
R. At least explore his relationship with Ray Brannigan...they are such Alpha. Please give it thought brilliant storyteller.
Ah. Well Wolf's Paw was isolated by location--and choice. The wolves there were not welcoming to most humans, which makes sense, with their history. So it takes them extra effort to communicate with words like humans do. (Humans are so confusing with their tendency not to say what they mean, and all those lies! tsk. Not to mention all those false ideas about weres and beings they have been perpetuating.) Tim learned how Silas (and Luca and his ilk) communicated. And how humans communicated, at least enough to blend in. But the whole... talk without speaking, only be honest, there is nothing to be ashamed of in admitting how you feel thing that they do in Wolf's Paw? That is puzzling. In addition, because he doesn't use or trust his senses like the other wolves do, Tim is essentially missing a lot of the conversation. Nathaniel has been openly admiring him for *weeks* and Tim doesn't even realize it until that moment in the truck. No wonder Nathaniel was thrown. He knew Tim was afraid of him/big wolves in general, and that Tim didn't know what mates meant, but he at least thought Tim knew Nathaniel was interested in him. Nathaniel never hid it--Tim just couldn't "see" it. As for Nathaniel and Ray. Well, nothing about future beings stories is set in stone (even to me, oy), but rest assured we are not done with Ray Ray.
Cool. Cause,ray ray is the bomb. BTW didn't like Tim at first and did an early morning reread. I love him too. Kindda street smart for a youngin. Nice writing
Raaaay. Yes, definitely more Ray at some point. <3
