The Mark of Athena discussion

i know they are all suppose to be equally strong, since they all have a part to play. yet i've been thinking. assuming that hazel and nico have the same same flaw (yes big assumption there), and looking at hazel's character she doesn't hold grudges. her biggest grudge would have been against her mother, yet she gave up a lot for her mother to have a decent after life, which points to hazel overcoming her (assumed) flaw, rite?

so if she doesn't have that flaw, or is no longer affected by it, does that make her slightly stronger that the others, since she doesn't have that flaw anymore?

so yeah, i think she is a bit stronger than the others.

who do you think is the strongest?
i understand that i'm asking your opinion, but please put a reason...

Either Percy or Jason because of their fighting experience and of being the son of the most powerful gods.
But I still think it's Percy, because even Nico said that Percy is the strongest Demigod he had ever seen. Or something like that, during the last part of MoA.

When you think about it, theres a lot more you could do with water than with lightning. Sure Jason can fly, but thats a bit shaky and rarely used. Percy has used water a lot and yes, he does need water around, but he is able to use it in better ways. Percy, then Jason, Leo, (Nico), Hazel, Piper, AnnaBeth (She is good with strategies and a good fighter), and Frank (I don't like him as much as the others) Rant=Finished. =)

I think Percy is the most powerful out of the seven

1. Percy
2. Jason
3. Frank*
4. Leo
5. Annabeth
6. Hazel
7. Piper*

*Powers are unreliable, or they are emotionally unstable

Emma wrote: "1. Percy
2. Jason
3. Frank*
4. Leo
5. Annabeth
6. Hazel
7. Piper*

*Powers are unreliable, or they are emotionally unstable"

Totally agree with you!

It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's power as in control over things, then Piper, Annabeth, Jason, Percy, and Hazel, Frank and Leo are on the same level. If it's power as in planning and strategy and wits, then Annabeth wins totally, followed by Frank, Jason, Piper, Hazel, Percy, and Leo. They all bring different types of power to the situation, so it balances out.

Well, I think there's got to be a reason why all of them were chosen, so I think all of them are the most powerful in different areas. Percy, Frank and Jason are excellent defenders of the seven. Leo is the only one who can repair or steer the ship. Annabeth is the wisest and most level-headed, so in case of emergency, she's the one who will come up with a plan that ensures everyone's survival. Piper is their mediator and she maintains peace. Hazel... she comes in handy when there's a need for distraction or when they run out of supplies for the ship repair and need her to locate precious metals.
So I believe that everyone is essential and losing one of the seven would cause the quest to fail...

Well Hazel is obviously the strongest emotionally...

Emma wrote: "1. Percy
2. Jason
3. Frank*
4. Leo
5. Annabeth
6. Hazel
7. Piper*

*Powers are unreliable, or they are emotionally unstable"

I agree :)

1.Jason
2.Percy
3.Leo
4.Hazel
5.Piper
6.Annabeth
7.Frank

Aurora wrote: "It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's power as in control over things, then Pi..."

well, okay first of all i should probably say that i could have stated the post better :P

i didn't use the word powerful (or tried not to use it anyway), because when i think of 'powerful' in terms of demigods (and other characters who have special abilities), i think it infers what abilities they have. so, imo, jason, percy, nico, bianca and hazel, are powerful demigods because being the children of the big three, it means that they have certain abilities that immediately single them out as being more powerful than the other demigods.

i used ( or tried to use ) the word strong in reference to their flaws. imo, the fatal flaws are a big deal; its the one thing that will eventually lead to their downfall / death/ whatever. also, the falws tend to be personality traits; i.e pride, excessive loyalty, holding grudges etc.

so in short, i was really refering to the strength of the character personality wise; not power/ability wise.

sorry for not making my post clearer; but it doesn't really bother me though; i find it interesting to know other's opinions and interpretations nonetheless...

Aurora wrote: "It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's power as in control over things, then Pi..."

Agreed. I very much like the huge variety and diversity of the Seven. It makes it that much more interesting.

rawr the dinosaur wrote: "Aurora wrote: "It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's power as in control over ..."

Personality wise eh?

1. Hazel (nice girl in general, most stable of the seven)

2. Annabeth ("wisest" of the Seven although she does have pride issues)

3. Frank (seems to be getting his confidence)

4. Percy (HOO makes his character somewhat arrogant which is why he's ranked in the middle instead of the top next to Hazel. If this was PJO!Percy, he would be second or possibly tied with Hazel in first.)

5. Leo (inferiority complex)

6. Jason (Mark of Athena makes him weak despite the fact that he was a level-headed, competent leader in Lost Hero.)

7. Piper (Has Jason issues. Is only on this quest for Jason in general.)

Gryphon-Door wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "Aurora wrote: "It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's..."

lol agree with that statement for jason in MoA...

Jocelyn wrote: "Aurora wrote: "It depends on what you mean by "power." If it's power as in the ability to fight monsters, I'd say Percy, Jason, Leo, Hazel, Frank, Annabeth, Piper. If it's power as in control over ..."

yes...it makes them all more multi dimensional...

The thing is that the most powerful is percy or jason so they must be knocked out so whoever they are fighting will actully be a challenge to beat.

There is really no way to tell, in the books it states that Frank is supposed to have the most potential power and that's why his life is tied to the burning stick, also they mention that a child of Hephaestus with the power of fire have the power to destroy the world therefore if Leo loses control he could destroy everything. Annabeth, as blessed as she is with tactics as well as her natural observation skills could easily kill any of the seven. Piper can force any of the seven to kill themselves, Hazel is a ridiculously strong Calvary fighter as well as being able to summon death jewelry. Finally we get to the main two (Percy and Jason), out of the two i would say that Percy would win. Percy overall is seen as a stronger leader, and as Nico puts, "Percy is the strongest demigod I know, no offense to anyone here, but it's true." Percy has the powers of earthshaking, making him an efficient fighter regardless of whether or not water is present, plus he has the power to create salt water springs (refer to Last Olympian scene on the bridge) therefore he can bring water to him. Percy also has taken down more immortals than Jason, and may I dare say, higher value immortals as well (Jason defeated Krios (some titan of some star) while Percy takes down gold dude and Kronos)) Percy also has the many powers of water, and a lot of people don't think of this but if he blocks Jason's lightning with his water, his water is then imbued with Jason's lightning (conductivity) and can use Jason's own powers against him. I don't think many people realize this, but Percy doesn't seem to get affected by fatigue, until after battles are over, whereas Jason shows immediate strain after one or two lightning bolts. Jason can fly, and that seems to be the only thing he has over Percy. In my humble opinion I believe the only purpose that Jason has is two one, create the "storm" mentioned in the prophecy (refer to the storm he and Percy make at the fort in MoA) or to serve as temporary leader until somehow Percy comes back. In regards to that last point, they say the doors have to be closed from both sides... I wonder who will stay behind? Percy or Annabeth?

Keep in mind that the demigods have different levels of experience, which could factor into their power, as well as their arsenal of weapons. (Percy mentions that over the years, it's easier for him to control his powers and assert authority over the sea, in that Princess Andromeda scene in the Last Olympian.) Percy has dueled four Titans (Hyperion, Atlas, Iapetus and Kronos) and escaped relatively unscathed, though part of that was due to the Styx bathing. As for weapons, Riptide is implied to be far more powerful than most other celestial bronze swords. He is at a disadvantage with distance weaponry, though, unless you count hurricanes and tsunamis as distance weapons.

Annabeth is even more experienced--five more years--but in physical and demigod-ly terms, she's less powerful. But on the up side, with her military strategy and superior ability to think under pressure, she could easily avoid and attack any of the seven. She could plug her ears to block charm speaking, turn invisible (which is a HUGE advantage, assuming the hat works, since in MoA it doesn't function properly), and she knows how to use nearly every basic demigod weapon (knife, sword, bow and arrow), so she could easily attack from that position without having to defend herself with too much difficulty.

I'd have to say that Piper is the weakest of the seven. She has very little fighting experience. She can charmspeak, but everyone is quite aware of that ability and could easily avoid that. I think this is because Piper's main role in the seven is something of a diplomat, a peacekeeper to make sure people get along, not as a person fighting in the front lines. Also, TBH, I'd think she'd get scared at her reflection and trip all over Katoptris in the face of fighting her friends.

Hazel has an advantage with earth and can travel at the speed of sound via Arion, but if the demigods were fighting overseas she'd be in huge trouble. It's hard to predict for her; Hazel's situation would involve a lot more hypotheticals than all the other demigods. Her weapons are pretty ordinary, seeing as shes more os a resourceful person, using what she has at hand as effectively as possible besides her cavalry sword. However, she has some decent fighting experience, having battled Alcyoneus, as well as defying Gaea herself. That's some serious shit right there.

I have to say that Frank is at a bit of a disadvantage. He could avoid Percy's water powers by flying, but then he'd run into Jason's lightning. He could avoid lightning by burying himself in the ground as a gopher, but then he'd run into Hazel's deadly earth powers. On the other hand, he could easily camouflage as an ordinary animal and no one could tell him apart. BUT seeing as these demigods are quite powerful, it would be easy for him to get caught in the huge resulting catastrophes anyway and die on accident.

Jason can obviously use lightning and fly around, but...honestly, I don't know what to say about him. I guess Percy could chase after him on Blackjack, but then he'd be farther away from his power source, the sea. He has significant experience, though, being a praetor and having won a duel with Krios.

And last but not least, Leo! At first he seems like he's not all that powerful--fire can only do so much. Though it is mentioned that Leo could destroy the world if he doesn't control. In my opinion he has the most advantageous weapons of all--the Archimedes sphere. In real life history, Archimedes was over two millennia ahead of his time--his inventions are still being used today, with very little motifications. Some people suspect that Archimedes is STILL ahead of the rest of the human race currently. The Archimedes sphere in MoA is shown to be extremely powerful, as well as all those scrolls and machine plans that Leo saved. His situation is a bit more hypothetical than others as well as Hazel's, though for a different reason--we don't yet know the extent to which Archimedes' stuff could be used.

I think it's easier to eliminate people from the competition, rather than pick the person who has the most power. I'd say Piper is down for sure, then after that Frank. After that, I'm not sure.

Jocelyn wrote: "Keep in mind that the demigods have different levels of experience, which could factor into their power, as well as their arsenal of weapons. (Percy mentions that over the years, it's easier for hi..."

Piper is probably one of the most dangerous of the seven. She can say, "wow, I think it's a really good idea for all of you to stab yourselves now!" and they would do it. She doesn't need a weapon. And she is a good fighter, remember the last scenes of TLH?

I think this whole discussion points out a main theme in Heroes of Olympus. Hera chose the seven most powerful demigods, not just one. The Seven all bring different skills and abilities to the table, making them, as a whole, formidable opponents- should they manage to work together. I mean, like most of Mark of Athena was spent with them trying to figure out who was in charge while fighting within the group, and things weren't resolved until the very end, and even then, there are still problems. But at the core, they're the seven most powerful demigods.
(Though, off topic, it makes me wonder why Nico and Thalia aren't part of the seven, 'cause they're both pretty dang powerful if you ask me. Maybe they don't have what Hera thinks is needed to defeat Gaea.)

Leah wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Keep in mind that the demigods have different levels of experience, which could factor into their power, as well as their arsenal of weapons. (Percy mentions that over the years, it..."

Remember, I said I would be easy for the demigods to avoid it. They could just plug their ears. Also, the sound of waves and lightning is more than enough to drown out charmspeak.

And I didn't say Piper was a bad fighter. I said she was physically the weakest. That doesn't mean she's bad. She has the least experience as well.

Aurora wrote: "I think this whole discussion points out a main theme in Heroes of Olympus. Hera chose the seven most powerful demigods, not just one. The Seven all bring different skills and abilities to the tabl..."

Agreed. The problem is managing to work together--which is what Piper is for, to make sure people move along.

Aurora wrote: "I think this whole discussion points out a main theme in Heroes of Olympus. Hera chose the seven most powerful demigods, not just one. The Seven all bring different skills and abilities to the tabl..."


For some reason...I'm more interested in your off topic comment (easily distracted I guess?)Anyway, I have a theory...

I think Nico's main role is to lead them to the doors of death. I still think that even though at the end of The Last Olympian, PErcy made that deal for all the children of the Gods to be recognized, Children of Hades wouldn't be seen as the hero type.

As for Thalia, remember Hera wanted to bring the Romans and Greeks together, and her way to do that was to basically kidnap their leaders. I think that her choosing both Thalia and Jason would have caused some confusiong amoung the Gods since they both are basically children of the same God. Also, if that was the case, then she would have had to choose; and she would chose JAson over Thalia because Jason in the position of leadership in the Roman camp would have had more influence over teh romans than Frank or Hazel.

also, Thalia fears heigths...which would have limited her powers ( which ties back to what you said :p )

Plus Thalia is a Huntress of Artemis, which kind of makes me think she's like out of bounds for godly pursuits other than those of Artemis herself.

Aurora wrote: "Plus Thalia is a Huntress of Artemis, which kind of makes me think she's like out of bounds for godly pursuits other than those of Artemis herself."

true

Percy, Jason, or Annabeth.I don't really know.

1 Precy I agree with what nico said at the end of the book
2 Jason
3 Annabeth only when pared with precy
4 Leo Pyrokinesis and great with technology and is just down right funny
5 Frank he can turn into animals that makes him a winner
6 Hazel
7 Piper all she does is hides behind Jason and the power she does have is unstable

@ tomonari...thats cool....but 1 post would hv done it :p

Leah wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Keep in mind that the demigods have different levels of experience, which could factor into their power, as well as their arsenal of weapons. (Percy mentions that over the years, it..."

True, but people can plug their ears and her charmspeak doesn't affect everyone

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@ tomonari
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hum I've got to say Percy, especially if you team him up with Annabeth. He is not only a son of the Big 3, but is driven, always fights for the greater good and his flaw can't cloud his judgement in a bad way, like Nico's, but drives him more to win and protect those he loves.

And I find it pretty offending that you guys don't give our Wise Girl enough credit! She may not have special powers but she could take practically any of the 7! And she's got the wits and brains to overcome practically any situation.

they do not suck i may not like some of them but they dont suck i think its a cool series and im not sure who is the strongest. They all have different stregths and weakness which could put them at the top at times but could be their downfall too. And i agree i love annabeth and just cause she has no actual "power" doesnt mean she is the weakest she has some of the best training and she is smarter than all of them combined and she has will power but her weakness is equaly matched to her strengths she has alot of pride and while some is good to much can destroy you quickly if you cant keep it in check

Ok, well it's definitely Percy, if you did not read that last bit when Nico said " PERCY IS THE MOST POWERFUL DEMIGOD I HAVE EVER MET."
What now?
It's always been Percy... not Jason. And Percy doesn't need a water source to summon water. Remember when he was cleaning out the stables at Triple G Ranch, he used seashells or something to summon water and clean them. It doesn't matter if Jason can electrocute him. Have you ever fell face-first into water? No, exactly good luck with that Jason (what if I took away your flying abilities, you wouldn't be so great then, right?)
Yup so it's-
Percy ( Plain awesome, no arguments. Control water. Breath underwater. Son of Poseidon. Doesn't get wet. Important. Cool. Modest. Percy+Annabeth= super smackdown. Watch out Jason.)
Jason ( electric. Son of Zeus. Flying. suckish stuck-up nooby ego)
Annabeth (awesome strategist. Super smart. athletic, good in fight)
Leo ( can operate ship, Archimedes sphere. Awesome person. Rivals Frank)
Frank (shapeshifting, duh! good in fight, too)
Hazel ( she's pretty good for underground, but Frank still rivals her power)
Piper ( charmspeak? it didn't work)

To be honest, I agree with the idea that they are all equally strong, with the obvious emphasis on Jason and Percy. I think that they have the same strength but in diff things. For example, Jason has a way better chance of surviving in the air, but in the water he could drown. In the air he is stronger than the other 6, but in the water Percy is.

mkay well I guess ill be the first to say nico alot of people underestimate nico cuz hes the son of hades but in reality that just makes him all the more powerful. I kno hes not parf of the seveen but personally I think thats messed up hes amazing and well remeember the battle from the las olympian? he kicked ass!in my opinion then comes thalia later percy and tthen jason until u reach leo.then hazel frank and piper sweet little piper lol

1. Percy
2. Jason
3. Frank
4. Leo
5. Annabeth
6. Hazel
7. Piper

Hazel and Piper are kind of useless. but at least Hazel can fight.

Percy, then Annabeth, Frank, Leo, Jason, Hazel, Piper

I put Jason so low because I don't like him, and for a son of Zeus, his powers aren't that great

ωαт¢н ɱє fℓу wrote: "Emma wrote: "1. Percy
2. Jason
3. Frank*
4. Leo
5. Annabeth
6. Hazel
7. Piper*

*Powers are unreliable, or they are emotionally unstable"

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Percy by far!!!! He is the most powerful of all!!!! Nico himself says the following:



“Percy is the most powerful demigod I've ever met. No offense to you guys but it's true.”

Sheila wrote: "Percy by far!!!! He is the most powerful of all!!!! Nico himself says the following:



“Percy is the most powerful demigod I've ever met. No offense to you guys but it's true.”"

u are absolutely correct !!!!!1
Percy <3 <3

I think they are all equally strong in their own way, but I think Percy is the strongest because he is really brave and he is willing to kill him-self if it were to save his friends.

PERCY! THE END!

I think Percy is the strongest as far as power goes. Not that Jason isn't powerful, it's just I think Percy does better under pressured situations but Jason is usually getting his ass saved by someone else. Annabeth is very strong, too, in her way because she doesn't have any special powers, but she's just a good a fighter as anybody, even better than most of them. She's also always getting people out of tough situations. To me, the strongest isn' the one with the most power, it's the one who uses what they have to best of their ability.

I think Percy is the strongest, by far. He has the most control over his powers (and those powers themselves are the best). Jason is strong, but he has a lot of work to do to get close to Percy's level. So definitely Percy- he's smarter, more loyal, and the most powerful