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How do you feel about abortions? Share your opinion, please.

(I used these exact words in a different topic)

I am absolutely pro-life, and, while I indeed do not know what it's like to be pregnant, I know many women who do that will back me up on the following statement: abortion is murder. Yes, I understand that many women that are raped become pregnant, but only .5% of abortions are performed due to rape or someone else wanting the abortion. 95% of abortions are performed as a means of birth control-only 7% of women reported aborting due to her health or the baby's. My point is, if you don't want a baby at the current time, just try to be a bit more careful with what you're doing. Now, obviously if you're raped, it's a little different, but there's ALWAYS another option. Somewhere in this world, there is a couple who wants a baby more than anything but can't have one. How do you think that they would feel to be able to adopt this baby? Finally, many people will use the excuse that the Bible says that we should not judge others, and I agree that it's in there (Matthew 7:1 actually), but the Bible also says that murder is wrong. Rant over.

I am against it.I have my reasons,emotional and historic.

Noone has the right to kill a baby, but I believe it's the mother to decide whether to give birth to the baby or not because sometimes giving birth to a baby might be risky and it might even end in death of the mother. So there should not be any laws against abortion. People should feel in their hearts that it is not a good thing. And the governments should deal with issues more serious than abortion. That's what I personally think...

Imagine if your parents got sick of you so they took you to a clinic to get you killed. That is exactly what abortion is like. It is murder.

I can completely understand not wanting to keep the baby if you were raped. But there is always the option of adoption. There will never be a shortage of families wanting a baby that would be willing to adopt.

What gets me is the fact that there are SO many women who would give ANYTHING to have their own baby but can't, and then there are women who decide they don't want a baby, so they just kill it. It's unbelievable!

It's completely horrible. I don't think women that have done it should be put on death row or anything, however, because most of the people that get it done are just teenagers who have no idea.

Yeah. But poor babies. It's just sad and depressing

yeah. They haven't even had a chance to live their lives.

Exactly. Who would they have become? Have we killed the person who would discover the cure for all cancer???

Leah wrote: "(I used these exact words in a different topic)

I am absolutely pro-life, and, while I indeed do not know what it's like to be pregnant, I know many women who do that will back me up on the follow..."

I agree!

Plus, most doctors after they've done it a lot, have psychological problems. They say the unborn child is "tissue." It is a human being at the moment of conception and no one should take that away.

Agreed. Plus, even though people say it's "only a fetus," fetus actually means "little one" in Latin.

i think aboson is right if its like a mistake like broken codom or defected birth pill or something like rape

I still say that adoption is the way to go in those scenarios if you ABSOLUTELY don't want the baby.

I don't think it is the answer to any situation. Most of the time, it is because the girl is pressured into doing it, or because she is scared of the responisibility and the birth. Even with rape, 98% of women who have had their baby and kept it was said to be so much happier. You can't punish the child for its father's doing!

Plus, there are babies born witha failed abortion and that have caused birth defects or missing limbs. Abortion isn't a "swift and painless answer," it causes pain to the baby. They feel it! If something is 'just tissue' then how can they feel it? Abortion is awful and I'll never be in favor of it.

The baby can feel pain at 9 weeks. 700,000 abortions are performed EACH YEAR after 9 weeks. That is sickening.

Wow

Especially when you know how they do it.

i think its okay if your raped because what about all the strech marks and scars from it and what if they dont want thouse

but the strech marks and scars and all the morni.g sicknrss and stuff that comes with it

haha im just saying cus if i was a girl and got raped and got pregnent i really woyldent want a child because it would be to hard and i mean at a younger age

yeah well people have difrent opinions about that

If you abort the baby what good would it do? You're punishing the baby for a crime the father did.

How would you like it if your dad abused your mom right now, so she decided that she is going to kill you?

i hate when he dose that my mom dose throw stuff at me when he dose that...

oh crap... i didnt mean to say that...

umm what

Most women who have gotten pregnant due to rape that have kept the kid are now happy. The baby is not its father so you can't punish him/her for something he/her had no control over. Besides, if I was in their shoes would I rather stretch marks and morning sickness or to allow a doctor to commit murder? And a painful one?
There is no comparison. I probably wouldn't even give the kid up for adoption because through all of that, you're living with the constant question of "what if?"
A lot of women also regret their decision of abortion. If doctors are going to do those "procedures" they need to tell the truth and then lets see just how many women go through with it. Because the truth is that it is murder and the child will feel pain. Because whether that girl accepts it or not, she isn't preventing herself from becoming a mother, she already is a mother.

H99 wrote: "When people say that, it sickens me. Yes, abortion is cruel, and yes, some women might want to keep the baby. Let them. But let people abort if they want to. Most people are going back to the "Let ..."

Most abortions are not done because the mother is in danger. If someone killed a baby, they would most likely go to jail for life. Abortion is killing a baby. I'm not saying that a person who aborts should go to jail, but it's sick. Would you kill your own child? How would you feel if your mom murdered you?

Agreed.

The woman's life IS important, but abortions are seldom performed for this reason.

Radical views here, people. I'm prepared for whatever you've got to say. Just please, before you say it, read this.

(I don't think I missed anything in here but it's late so if I did, please do tell.

And yes, H99, I've updated since the last time you saw this.)

Pro life:

A baby, from the moment of conception, is a human. And all humans, no matter how small or their life experience, have a right to live. It is a right that is given to all people and should never, under any circumstances, be taken away.

Since the baby is a human, killing it before it is born is akin to murdering a grown person. Not even a grown adult, but a defenseless one.

If a woman has the right to abort, do I have the right to go kill my neighbor?

A single mother, or not, who gets pregnant and realizes that she cannot provide for the baby should A. Put the baby up for adoption.

There are so many people who are willing to adopt children.

B. Seek help.

They are many programs and aid groups designed and created to help pregnant and\or mothers and families who need help providing for their child.

So CHOICE. Is anyone really pro-choice if they deny children the CHOICE to grow up, see the sunrise, know happiness, fall in love?

Mothers are selfish when they say that it's best for the child. How do they know? A mother who decides that she can't keep the baby, whether she can't provide or she just doesn't want it, should never think that she can decide to end a child's life because she thinks that it won't have a good life. Because that's what SHE thinks. She has absolutely no way of knowing. She doesn't know how the situation will change.

And another thing, there are bills being passed in states that would allow for a parent (namely the mother) to KILL THE BABY UP TO TWO WEEKS AFTER BIRTH. That is murder, I don't care what anyone says.

Where do you think that came from?

A blatant disregard for life.

Well, it's a human but we have the right, the CHOICE to kill it if we want to.

Well, it's a baby and it's no longer in the womb, but we can kill it if we feel like it.

How far off are we from deciding that murdering anyone, no matter the age is legal??

Did you know that a baby has a heartbeat 18 days after conception?? A woman may not even know that she was pregnant yet.


I don't know if I can state it as shortly nor as well as something J.K. Rowling said,

"We're all human, aren't we? Every human life is worth the same, and worth saving."

As, of course, Dr. Suess said,

"A person's a person, no matter how small."



It gets slightly more tricky when the mother is in danger, but suffice it to say that love, at it's core, is sacrificing. If a mother truly really loved her child, she would be willing to sacrifice her own life to give her child a life. And yes, that sounds very extreme. And it is. But that's love.


And seriously, most of everyone if A. Choice (and I already told you why that's CRAP) and B. mother in danger. REALLY??? There are NOT that many women who are in danger of death from the baby. You people make it sound like EVERY SINGLE WOMAN is in imminent danger from her baby. Yeah? I could die right now. Also, in the few cases where the mother is in danger, there are procedures you can try to do to avoid the mother's death and keeping the baby alive. Granted they don't always work but sometimes nothing you can do does....

They both have equal rights so don't go on and on about the mother being more important than the "unborn blob of cells". Please, just don't. The mother, when she got pregnant, made that baby her responsibility. It is her duty to protect that child. Say she's in danger of
death, she still cannot kill that baby. You say self defense? I say that self defense is when
someone is actively trying to kill you. Namely, guilty. Is that baby guilty of anything? Nope. Not a single thing. So you have no right to kill it, no matter the reason.

Here's a scenario: Mother and toddler. Limited food supply. Should the mother kill her toddler in order to prolong her life?? NO.

Rape: Should the baby be kept? Um, yes. Is it really the baby's fault that his father was a a$$? No, it wasn't. That baby deserves a chance at life. I feel sorry for the mother but....I can see how the mother would be reminded of that awful event but I also believe that her love for her kid would help outweigh that. And if it's not enough, adoption is always an option.

But no one adopts anymore...There ARE a lot of people willing to adopt, baby, toddler, or older, but the government makes it practically impossible to adopt. The government should stop SELLING the kids and give them to families, for a reasonable amount of money, who actually want the kids.

A life, any chance of life, whether in a orphanage or a family, is better than none at all.

And though some children adopted (or in a orphanage) have crappy lives, so do a lot of children who DO have a home, mother, father. Life is unpredictable. But it is always worth it.

And giving a child a chance at a life, a choice to have a life, to make something for themselves is probably the best thing someone can do.

A human life is ALWAYS worth saving.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY

Elevetha wrote: "Radical views here, people. I'm prepared for a ton of hate. And before you start bashing, please actually read this.

(I don't think I missed anything in here but it's late so if I did, please do t..."

Thank you for posting this...I am in complete agreement.

:)

Elevetha wrote: "Radical views here, people. I'm prepared for a ton of hate. And before you start bashing, please actually read this.

(I don't think I missed anything in here but it's late so if I did, please do t..."

totally

Nicely put, Elevetha. I agree all the way.

Elevetha wrote: "Ruth wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "Radical views here, people. I'm prepared for a ton of hate. And before you start bashing, please actually read this.

(I don't think I missed anything in here but it's..."

Oh, I have an idea... :D

Even with rape, I still don't think that can justify murder. You can't blame the kid for his father's doing. The kid is NOT his father so it is unjust to settle on abortion just because a person was sexually assaulted. Besides, most women who have been raped and kept their baby have had such a better life because that baby hasn't negatively impacted them. And abortion doesn't make the girl any less of a mother. From the moment of conception when the baby is automatically a person, that girl is a mother. The whole "oh, you are about to be a mother" is crap. The girl already IS a mother. After abortion, they are still the mother of an aborted baby, whether they accept that or not.

Elevetha wrote: "Rukiye wrote: ."And the governments should deal with issues more serious than abortion."

I'm sorry, what? MORE serious than abortion? Can you tell me what that might be?"

The American Constitution states that a person has the RIGHT (GOD-given right) to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. That's the first thing the government needs to abide by (even though they are trying not to but that's a different issue) and that involves unborn children who have the RIGHT to their life but have no voice to stand for it. We need to be their voice.

Sure, there are lots of important issues going on, but the welfare of Amercan citizens should be the first on the list. The welfare of the American people BY the American people. Abortion infringes the Constitution therefore it strips a person (the unborn child) of his God-given freedom.

Thank you :)

Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "I still stick to my opinion that women are not breeders, and that they do not have a duty to die so that a kid can live. Someone could say that because a woman is capable of becoming pr..."

Besides, who said anything about the woman dying? That's illogical. It would be like condemning someone just because they might grow up to be a murderer. It makes no sense. And it wouldn't make everything "easier" as some doctors try to convince their patients of, but it causes sick and appalling results in pain to the baby. If people say it isn't yet a human or whatever, than HOW CAN THE UNBORN CHILD FEEL PAIN? Feel free to google images on it. I almost got sick just looking at two pictures of what doctors actually do. If even doctors think it may be a logical choice, why do they spend time trying to convince the patients that they're doing the right and easy thing when it sounds as if they are really trying to just convince themsleves and justify what they are doing? Because in their heart, they know it is wrong, whether it is the result of rape or not. Plus, (as I have said before) doctors concur in having psychological problems after aborting procedures.

And I just read your last question but...what? That makes no sense. Again, it is like me telling a person who got in a car accident to not die because they might have grown up to have five kids and that right now, they're denying those five imaginary children their 'possible future lives.' And you don't even know if that will happen. Things happen for a reason. But abortion is a decision forced unto an unborn child's shoulders who simply cannot bear the weight.

Elevetha wrote: "Shadowhunter Girl wrote: "Elevetha wrote: "H99 wrote: "I still stick to my opinion that women are not breeders, and that they do not have a duty to die so that a kid can live. Someone could say tha..."

It's...It's...there is no word for how awful and horrific and just...inhuman it really is. Especially to do that on an innocent life. A pure, innocent life.

There are no words to describe how much abortion infuriates me. There is no justifying it-I don't care how far along the baby is it is still a life and it deserves a chance at life no matter how much a woman wants an abortion.

Sierra wrote: "There are no words to describe how much abortion infuriates me. There is no justifying it-I don't care how far along the baby is it is still a life and it deserves a chance at life no matter how mu..."

Another pro-life on board! *virtual high-five*

I am DEFINITELY pro-life. Whoever came up with the concept/idea of abortion is SICK. I can't believe some people in this world.

Sierra wrote: "I am DEFINITELY pro-life. Whoever came up with the concept/idea of abortion is SICK. I can't believe some people in this world."

I know :( It's infuriating. And I haven't lived in this world very long and already it is disappointing. (I don't even have my license yet :)