Group of Unfortunate Events discussion

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ok sooo i love when olaf is coach ghengis and he thinks the kids don't know he's olaf even though they do so they are praising him so they can run away and violet is all, "your so intelligent, coach ghengis" and olaf says, "not only and i am intelligent, i am also very smart" LOVE IT omg its hilarious.

i know!

its hilarious. and VP nero is hilarious. i wonder who the actual principal was??

lolz, i love things like that....

Emma the Dork wrote: "its hilarious. and VP nero is hilarious. i wonder who the actual principal was??"

holy kowz, i nefer efen thought of that..... wow, it sounds like something handler would've stuck in one of the later books, but i don't think he did..... hmm...

its funny how he leaves stuff out like that. and I LOVE when nero is talking about the rules of the school with the kids omg it was so hilarious about the candy and the lapping up beverages and eating without utensils. SOOO FUNNY!!

i know, i laughed about that for like....eons...i qoute vp nero quite regularly, akshully...:P

....what book had the bit with the never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever etc. for like two pages... about a power outlet or somethnig.... was it the...... hmm.

The Ersatz Elevator, i think, because they do all the dangerous stuff with the stove and things...i know it was one of the earlier books, like in the first six...i'll have to look.

no that was the reptile room when violet was making the lock pick with the electrical plug. I'm sure.

Oooooh yeah, i knew it waz one of the early ones. :P

yuppers. smart kelly!

*bowz*

tank yewz.

whoa... that was... weird. nevermind. wow.

*offended look*

what?

he just doez that. ignore him.

:P to jeeves.

:D

oh, no, it had nothing to do with you emma.... or kelly, for that matter... it wazzzz.... somefingggg.... gosh, now i can't remember. seriously, t wasn't to do with either of you though....

but :P back to kelly anyway, for :P ing at me.
:P

:P infinity squared. :P

lolz, its a quote. :P

it's familliar.... you mean the infinity squared thing, or somefing else?

bllleeerrghhhhhh i hate squared anything....just that term makes me angry lol.

interesting little fact- Isadora Duncan is the name of a reeeaaally famous dancer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isadora_... ). This sort of made me wonder about other names in the books and how they might relate to real life people/places/occurrences. Not like there's anything to conclude from it, it's just sorta interesting.

WEIRD!!!!!! thats really cool

Yeah, and then there's the whole Edgar/Allen/Poe thing..oh! this is from wikipdedia:
The names of his two children are similar to Edgar Allan Poe, with the Edgar and Allen being close to his children's names, Edgar and Albert Poe. This relates to the trend throughout the books of naming characters after poets and writers. He also has a sister named Eleonora Poe, a reporter for the Daily Punctilio.

The Penultimate Peril also opens up more possibilities about the Baudelaire parents' past. Kit Snicket tells the children about a night that she attended an opera (La forza del destino) with the Baudelaires, and handed them a box of poison darts before Esmé Squalor sees them. Later in the book Count Olaf reveals that his parents were killed by poison darts, and also that he has good reason to hate the Baudelaires. This would imply that the Baudelaire parents murdered Count Olaf's parents, explaining Olaf's grudge against the family (and his motive for burning down the Baudelaire mansion, as many believe), and possibly also why he became a villain. However, this has never been truly confirmed.

One of the 13 Shocking Secrets You'll Wish You Never Knew About Lemony Snicket states that Lemony helped Beatrice to commit a serious crime before her death, which can possibly be the murder of Olaf's parents. Another reveals that Snicket is wanted for arson. However, in Lemony Snicket: The Unauthorized Autobiography, he mentions that he knows of other people starting fires, although he himself did not. There is a possibility that he is only reported to committed arson, and actually was framed.

In The End, Count Olaf, a known arsonist, refuses to confirm or deny the charge that he was responsible for the death of the Baudelaire parents and tells the Baudelaires that they don't know anything.

The problem with the murdering of Olaf's parents is that he couldn't have been made an orphan very early in life, since the Baudelaire parents are presumably close to the same age as Lemony Snicket, and he went to school with Olaf. I mean, we don't actually know how old the Baudelaire parents were, but the had a baby and their oldest was fourteen, so the assumption would be that they were Olaf's age. That said, he couldn't have been orphaned long before the Baudelaire fire, because didn't Sunny remember La Fortza Del Destino, and their mother telling them she would never forget it?

Wikipedia says Beatrice was the Baudelaire mother. It's a fact now. :D

okay, this is way interesting:

The Duchess of Winnipeg, also known as "R.", is a rich socialite at whose masked ball Lemony Snicket met Beatrice. Her house was later burnt down, but she survived. In Lemony Snicket: The Unauthorized Autobiography, a letter suggests that somebody is impersonating her in communications with Lemony Snicket. She is first mentioned in Lemony Snicket: The Unauthorized Autobiography. She possibly had a son or daughter in the Snow Scouts, as when Esmé Squalor was talking about all the fortunes she'd get, she mentioned the Winnipeg fortune.

In The End, it is revealed that the Winnipeg family possessed a ring marked with an R that was passed down from one Duchess of Winnipeg from generation to generation. When the current Duchess of Winnipeg's mother died in the fire that destroyed her house, the current Duchess of Winnipeg inherited the ring and, when she joined V.F.D., she gave it to Lemony Snicket. Lemony had offered the ring to his lover, Beatrice, but she later returned it to him, so Lemony gave the ring to Kit Snicket, who gave it to the Baudelaire father, Betrand, who gave it to the Baudelaire mother, Beatrice, when they married. Beatrice kept the ring in a wooden box which could only be opened with a wooden key that was kept in a wooden box which could only be opened by a code the grandfather of the Snicket siblings taught Kit and Lemony. The wooden box was burned to ashes when the Baudelaire mansion was destroyed and Captain Widdershins found the ring in the wreckage only to lose it in a storm at sea, and the ring eventually was washed to the shores of the island where the Baudelaires were stranded on in Book the Thirteenth. Ishmael found the ring and gave it to the Baudelaire children, who gave it to their adopted daughter, Beatrice, who is Kit Snicket's daughter, and who, as revealed in The Beatrice Letters, exchanged it to shepherds for a yak ride to the cave her uncle often resided in.

In The Beatrice Letters, it is revealed that the Duchess was classmates and good friends with Beatrice (the elder), and she has played cards with Lemony Snicket before, and defeated him, winning quite a bit of his pen collection. It is also revealed that the death of the current Duchess of Winnipeg's mother caused Geraldine Julienne to become the new fashion editor. In Lemony Snicket: The Unauthorized Autobiography, the Duchess of Winnipeg writes several letters to Lemony, in one mentioning that she gave her annual lecture at the Orion University one night and had lost possession of many of her belongings, including her beloved snacks, furniture, tables, chairs, drapes, grand staircase, houseplant, cloth napkins (which are embroidered with the crest of Winnipeg), the wigs she used to disguise herself like someone Lemony disguised himself as, cigar box, childhood bed, and every book in her private library, seemingly because of a fire most likely committed by arson. Her letter also heavily implies that the time she wrote it was after the events of A Series of Unfortunate Events. The Duchess of Winnipeg also writes to someone called K (possibly Kit), saying it is impossible to keep these two letters (about the planned marriage of Lemony and Beatrice and the marriage of Esmé Squalor and Jerome Squalor) together, and for reasons that she does not need to explain, it is impossible for her to write to Mr. Snicket, and asked this K to get these letters to a safe place-perhaps with Ike (perhaps Ike Anwhistle) or the dairy farm K told her about.

In The Grim Grotto Klaus finds an example of the Verse Flunctuation Declaration code in which the poem My Last Duchess by Robert Browning is changed to My Last Wife by Obert Browning; the code is "Duchess R", but the children don't get any further information on her.

The character is possibly named after the editor of the Lemony Snicket books at Harper Collins, Susan Rich, who is from Winnipeg.[6:]

i cant get over how cool that is......

woah...

I also like how VP Nero is named after the Roman emperor Nero who played his fiddle while Rome burned. I really like that.....

yep :)