Mein Kampf discussion

This is the worst and most suckiest aand so many other things book in the whole entire world, and I haven't even read it, the author should tell you enough.

No I am afraid its just a book. Sure being a political tome it does contain potentially dangerous ideas. As a historical document it is valuable in outlining Hitler's slant on the theory of National Socialism. Some interesting arguments raised, some sections of ramblings and some chunks of not much.

I think the real danger is claiming a book is "something" without reading it. Is it that big a step to a bonfire in the town square.

Yes Hitler was a vile dictator that managed to knock the earth of its axis but we must remember he was human. He came from our gene pool.

People in politics are still writing these kinds of books today. Luckily, they will never be able to pull off the kind of stunts Hitler did, but all they do is rant about how they could change the world, and about how everyone expect those in their "favorite group" are awful. Look at the state of politics in America now! And some of those crazy people have the ability to be on the radio and television as well, spewing their nonsense. Mein Kampf is not the first of its kind, nor will it be the last.

Also, you should probably read a book before you judge it.

What I find interesting and insightful about this book is that it illustrates, to some degree, how Hitler was capable of accomplishing his mandates. He starts with arguments that many people would relate to and agree with and builds on them. The end result of his arguments are insane and horrible, but it is difficult (at least to me) to pinpoint exactly where the arguments deviate from rationality. I think this book is valuable in that it illustrates the power of rhetoric and reminds us why we should pay attention to politics.

What is especially disturbing about Hitler is that he never propagated a coup. He never did anything technically illegal (wrong certainly, but not illegal). He slowly and incrementally consolidated power and changed laws to accommodate his perverse world view. I think that everyone who believes in democracy and values diversity should read this book. Know thy enemy.

Nocheevo wrote: "No I am afraid its just a book. Sure being a political tome it does contain potentially dangerous ideas. As a historical document it is valuable in outlining Hitler's slant on the theory of Nationa..."
I do completely agree with you. In my opinion you have to read this book without contemplating its writer's name. Some of its ideas are interesting. I spent 3days in Holocaust part of imperial war museum before reading this book.Although it was so depressing,It gave me another point of view and helped me to be more familiar with the reality of the second world war. And this book exposes some hidden reasons of the war and also the way of its leader thinking.(absolutely some of them is too unreasonable).
I never ever thought that Hiter had such an intelligent mind before reading this book.
Everything has some weak points, democracy and religion are not exceptions.

I read this book back in high school because I was curious why it was always mentioned in the history books so I bought it and at time I honestly couldn't put it down. His leadership and his campaign were so amazing and how he made people believe is Germany again after the debilitaing loss of economy after WWI is impressive. I feel like this is a book everyone should read not because I agree with what he did but how he was able to unify an entire depressed contry.

Because I have always been interested in alternative political ideas, even though I knew I did not like Hitler, I thought I should try reading this...balance, for example, if I was going to also read Marx.

I didn't make it past the first couple of chapters, partly because the ideas make no sense at all, and also because the guy's low level of literacy comes...well, not shining, sort of glowing with a sickly radioactive beam...through. The guy CAN'T CONSTRUCT A DECENT SENTENCE! It shows how badly affected the people of Germany were at the time--the causes are arguable, but I won't go there--to ever let this man into any public office.

Selena, the way the man unified "an entire depressed country"--and by the way, it is only an ENTIRE country if you deem the millions of Jews who lived there as either inhuman, as Hitler did, or as noncitizens, as well as all gays, all trade unionists, and all Socialists--was by vilifying Jewish people. Is that "impressive"? Should Barrack Obama try that here, maybe drag some Jews out into the streets, break the windows of their homes and businesses as occurred on Kristalnacht, and then eventually set out on a rampage of murder and genocide? He unified a significant layer of the population, but certainly not an entire country, and do the means justify the end in any case?

One other point: that book was not how he gained his following. It disturbs me deeply that you "couldn't put it down". But you have the right to read it, and the right to say you liked it. I just think you should read more books about the time period and the eventual outcome of those ideas.

Lokah, you are right, no one should condemn any book without reading at least some of it first. I think Nocheevo has a point, that it is part of history. That's why I read part of it, was to be objective. I know that some people are very free with calling any political party that is not Democrat or Republican (in the US) "crazy", so it's never bad to have a look for oneself. And now that I have had a chance to peruse it, and found it lacking, and because history is my professional field and I have other primary sources (including footage of Hitler giving speeches) that add to the overall picture, I hope with all my heart that there is never another successful Nazi movement.

There's a huge difference in hating a book (as I do Mein Kampf) and advocating that it be banned. The free exchange of ideas, the capacity to gain as much information as possible in forming convictions, is essential to any healthy society. The book itself, I have already reviewed, and stand by what I said earlier.

History is the ultimate proof of what is fact, and what is not. If you mean you PREFER Mein Kampf to Das Kapital...there is nothing courteous I can say here, and our conversation is at an end. In addition, it requires extensive education in history and economics to UNDERSTAND Das Kapital. You made it all the way to the end?

And...from having watched Greece and Spain, and having watched the much-lauded Obama administration flounder desperately, declaring the recession "over" when one of four people (probably a low figure, lots of demographic left out) are out of jobs in the US...how IS Capitalism faring? Because ultimately, Fascism is the way resistance is stamped out when capitalism falls apart, and the ruling class consolidates and defends its profit margin and ownership of the means of production. Thus far, they have not had to do that in the US, because resistance is weak.

If Hitler's Storm Troopers came marching down your street, is there anyone you love that might disappear? This is a very serious matter.

Do not equate Marx and Stalin. Stalin and Mao have tried to lay claim to the teachings of Marx, as have their successors, but nowhere does Marx say that the centralized government members should have greater access to scant resources, or that the voices of the workers who wish to be heard within a democratic centralist framework should be silenced by terror and force.

The Bible says that, "In the beginning was the Word...", "In pricipio erat verbum", and that's where I've put my copy of Mein Kampf: the first book on the top shelf. Not because of its literary merit (it has absolutely none), but because it was indeed the beginning of the evil scourge of Nazism. I have read it in the English translation and I found it to be quite disjointed and rambling-part narcisistic autobiography and part political tract, in the most perjorative sense of that word. I can't believe (but it's true) that wedding couples received this book as a wedding present during Hitler's reign.

Garrett wrote: "The Bible says that, "In the beginning was the Word...", "In pricipio erat verbum", and that's where I've put my copy of Mein Kampf: the first book on the top shelf. Not because of its literary mer..."
Fair enough, Garrett. I am reading a biography of Goebbels right now, and there is an entry from his diary during the time the fascists were consolidating their hold as the primary ultraright/paramilitary organization in Germany. He says that Hitler had to come to Berlin in order to quell the infighting among their various tendencies. This was the ultimate irony! Hitler as an agent of peace. Well, go figure.

Garrett wrote: "I have read it in the English translation and I found it to be quite disjointed and rambling-part narcisistic autobiography and part political tract..."

It's unreadable. Even Hitler's closest associates thought so. Almost every household in Germany had a copy, but hardly anyone had read it.

It's not even "the beginning of the evil scourge of Nazism", for that matter. Hitler didn't even found the NSDAP (though he was one of its earliest members), and the origins and philosophy of Nazism long predated Hitler.

What's most interesting is the undertone of totalitarianism in this thread, which has on display banned posters, advocacy of speech restrictions, and sublime ignorance (the latter coupled as usual with colossal arrogance). As the head of the Harvard Divinity School famously said, "Choose your enemies carefully, for you will grow to become more and more like them."

If you want to understand Hitler, Nazism, and the Third Reich, start with competent historians - I recommend Joachim Fest and Hannah Arendt - and when you see the sort of tripe that's exemplified by this thread, for God's sake ignore it.

Duane wrote: "Garrett wrote: "I have read it in the English translation and I found it to be quite disjointed and rambling-part narcisistic autobiography and part political tract..."

It's unreadable. Even Hitle..."
Right. I have read The Third Reich, as well as the books by Daniel Guerin (Fascism and Big Business) and Trotsky (The Cause of Fascism? Or is it "Causes"? Anyway...) I tried both Mein Kampf and Das Kapital as a high school senior, way back in the day, because we had an inspirational history teacher who encouraged us not to believe everything we are told or that we read in mainstream media. (He was a socialist but played his cards close enough to his chest not to be obvious.) Hitler was gibberish and Das Kapital was over my head. So yes, I have read enough about that topic...and my children have reminded me not to be upset by internet trolls.

For Donna and Duane:
Indeed, yes, it is unreadable, precisely because, as I said, it's so disjointed and rambling (and full of gross exaggerations of actual historical events/lies). And, yes, I know that Hitler did not, indeed, "found" the Nazi Party. Initially, it was a very tiny splinter group led by Dietrich Eckart and a few others, which called itself the German Workers' Party, and Hitler had been sent, while still in the Army, to "check it out" by his military commander.

On April 1, 1920, the GWP changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which became more familiarly called the Nazi Party from a contraction of Nazional Socialistiches Arbeiters Partei. On the same day, not at all by coincidence, Hitler resigned from the German Army; he wanted to devote himself full-time to building up the new NSDAP, of which at that time he was not yet the undisputed leader or Fuhrer.

And, finally, I agree that many, if not all, of those newly-weds who got the book as a present, never really read it, but rather tossed it in the back of a closet somewhere and forgot all about it.

Garrett wrote: "For Donna and Duane:
Indeed, yes, it is unreadable, precisely because, as I said, it's so disjointed and rambling (and full of gross exaggerations of actual historical events/lies). And, yes, I kno..."
Thanks, Garrett, and I agree.

Just wanted to enter a couple of corrections to titles I mentioned the other night when I was trying to do too many things at once. The book by Trotsky is The Struggle Against Fascism in Germany. The author of Fascism and Big Business is Daniel Guerrin; I gave him one "r".

I thought it was Interesting that the main people of World War 2 had all written books. when you compare the writings of Hitler to the Writings of Churchill their is no doubt as to what these guys were all about. To avoid History because of concerns of what people might think, seems a bit like saying the world is flat.

For Rob:
What do you mean by saying, "To avoid History..."? Do you mean, to avoid reading about historical events, or do you mean, to avoid MAKING history, as Hitler and Churchill both did? Hitler didn't care what people thought about his actions; if anyone disagreed with him, there was always a handy concentration camp available, and a crew of professional executioners.

It is quite obvious that no one here has read the authentic Mein Kampf. I have the real thing. It WAS available a few years ago - but now it has been replaced by the travesty you've all been commenting about. I bought a copy and I understand your comments after reading this trash book.

Take a look at http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/t... Then you will understand.

The real book that I have was published by Hurst and Blackett, London, 1939 and was translated and annotated, totally unexpurgated and unabridged by James Murphy.

It is very well written and very clear. It is easy to read and Hitler was a very intelligent man. Everyone should stop to think: How was ANY person - except a very smart and logical person - able to unite the German people? Surely not the person you've read about in the nonsensical version described here!

Amazon had the real thing. NO more! Why? Because - then people would readily see the truth about Jewry. The nightmare that now has US, the USA, in it's grasp. The hideous world-wide parasite that has eaten us alive. Wrecked as they were doing to Germany. People ARE becoming aware though. Helen Thomas was correct too - and it is true they ARE in control of our government, they own the media - we only see the denigrating, insipid trash they spew here. Everything we see, hear or read - is in their hands. About 5 or 6 people control ALL of it.

Read this book years ago, as an amateur historian I found it fascinating to read the writings of a raving lunatic. However if people at the time had read it they could have seen what he planned to do once he came to power. It's all in there if you read it carefully. I found his rantings and logic hard to follow at times. All in all it is a good book for people who are interested in history to read.

Hi Justin, thank you for your reply. You are virtually 'preaching to the choir' with me.

As for Russia & Jewry, my grandmother used to discuss this: http://www.rense.com/general43/jewish... with me. She was just 18 earlier that July & it made quite an impression on her. Yeah - the Jews & their hollohoax. Lies. I have old Almanac's that had a running commentary re: Germany & it's 600,000 Jews. Yes, 600K. Ambassador Joseph P Kennedy asked President Roosevelt if we might assist Europe with aiding the 600,000 unwelcome Jews out of Germany - with resettling in areas around Europe. Today, along with ALL of the Kennedy clan - have been thoroughly denigrated by Jew owned US media. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_.... Read down the page about 'antisemitism' - that helps to understand why President Kennedy was murdered. And too, his soon to be elected brother Robert F Kennedy.

Have you read (free): http://www.jrbooksonline.com/intl_jew...

The US AND Canada's overriding worry - how to get rid of the Jews that are in our government. And too - the media. Also - the educational system. It's like trying to rid the body of a stage IV cancer - it (Jewry) has metastasized throughout our nation's systems.

As Henry Ford Sr penned - 'The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem'. Of course, they have been that for centuries. Marcus T Cicero: http://www.jewishproblem.com/great-ro...

Also see: http://smoloko.com/?p=3091
And: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/repu...
And: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedg...

I'm sure many more are to be found. Hopefully enough people will eventually take this problem in hand. BUT?? The Jews, Zionist Jewry is the brains & power, have all the sources of info under watch. They are trying to delete & close whatever they can. They are experts at their game. And ignorance is so widespread as to what is going on. We need several 'Hitlers' to save this planet. I just cannot foresee that happening.

As Cicero said: “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

Right here: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3321...

...also - our so-called 'federal reserve' system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wa...

Is it any wonder he is smirking?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...

President Kennedy also started printing REAL money, not the 'federal reserve notes' - see: http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkdollar2...

And: http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-1265...

And: http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkdollara...

Plenty more of that around. I lived the era. I was 18 when he was murdered. I also have a $2 US bill. The Jews were livid with the Kennedy's from way back. Not to mention President Kennedy's demands to inspect Israel's Diamona nuclear facilities. Kennedy was dead set against nuclear proliferation. Remember Mordechai Vanunu ? : http://www.vanunu.com/uscampaign/phot...

And: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...

The USA, et al, needs to wake up.