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1. The carnage is very well orchestrated with the Dothraki. They have mercy men to go through the fields, taking heads off the dead and dying, so I guess that's a good thing; a flock of small girls to collect the arrows; and lastly, a group of feral dogs to eat the flesh. This is their livelihood; I wonder what Dani thinks of her husband now!2. Khal Ogo is considered foolish for shooting all of the sheep "when there were shepherds yet to kill." Oh man! The sheep could've been of such use! What a waste! I'm seriously not liking the Dothraki right now.
3. They use whips to herd the surviving women and children into town. They've of course destroyed everything. They're all slaves now. Some take it better than others. Well, if you have Dothraki as neighbors you shouldn't be so surprised!
4. Jorah says these people were Lhazareeen but Dothraki call them the Lamb Men. (Lhazareen sounds like Lazarus who rose from the dead!)
5. Khal Drogo tells Dany these people were trespassing on Dothraki land; and their sheep were eating Dothraki grass... Okay, so I kind of understand now why they just attacked a whole nomadic tribe of farmers and shepherders.
6. They take sport in torturing a poor boy who was only trying to escape! So barbaric!
7. But I feel better when Jorah kills the Dothraki who taunted him for being a coward because he wears his steel armor, you go Jorah! They respect him for his fierceness.
8. Jorah says Drogo killed Khal Ogo and his son Fogo for attacking the town. Dany wonders what the villagers thought as they saw Drogo's khalasar attack and kill Ogo's khalasar; if they stayed in their village because they thought their gods gave them deliverance. So sad! What's worse, the women are getting savagely raped; they're not used to the Dothraki mounting customs, since this doesn't seem to really be any different than what they do with their own women. Except their women don't wail horribly. How men get off on that is beyond me.
9. Dany has to remind herself she's of the blood of the dragon, that she is strong, and moves on. These thousands of people will be sold as slaves so they can buy the ships required to go to Westeros, and Dany tries not to cry. :(
10. Forgot Jorah mentions Meereen and Slaver's Bay so early on in the series! It's sick how Jorah makes it seem like slavery is no big deal. It is to Dany! Does he not care about their wailing?
11. My respect drastically rises for Daenerys when she confronts the Dothraki riders who are raping this poor girl. She knows it's their custom, but she grows a spine after all. :) She commands Jorah and her khas to stop it. I laughed when her khas look baffled. It never occurred to them that rape is wrong. Quaro even says they're doing her honor... She tells them to stop it anyway and Jorah tells her she truly is her brother Rhaegar's sister. :) Such an honor!
12. There are more women getting raped in town and Dany rescues as many as she can. To do it, though, she has to claim them as her slaves. She has that right; she is the khaleesi, I believe. (I don't think she can claim male slaves as this might look bad to Drogo. Plus, I don't think there are any males getting raped).
13. Dany is starting to be more bossy -- telling Jorah he can't tell what she can or cannot do, because she is the blood of the dragon. :)
14. Dany sucks up to Drogo when she sees him in town, injured. "No man can stand before the sun of my life, the father of the stallion who mounts the world." Indeed! ;)
15. I like that Dany can tell Drogo what she did without fearing his wrath, seemingly. He tells her it's the way of war, which makes sense, but these people weren't hurting anyone! As far as I know, they didn't carry around weapons. They were peaceful.
16. I laughed at the part where Qotho asks does the horse breed with the sheep and Dany angrily tells him, "The dragon feeds on horse and sheep alike." Haha! Something about Qotho reminds her of Viserys, so that probably spurs her hatred for him even further.
17. Also like Drogo as he praises her for growing fierce! He says it's his son inside of her that's filling her with fire. I doubt that; the blood of the dragon is what fills her with fire. Then he tells Qotho off and Mago to find another slave to mount. What Drogo says goes.
18. Drogo winces when he moves and Dany realizes he's hurt worse than he and Jorah had let on. Drogo waves her off and says it's nothing. "'Tis a scratch!" basically, lol.
19. Qotho truly believes these Lhazareens lie with sheep, wtf... Didn't Viserys once say the Dothraki lie with their horses?
20. Introduction to Mirri Maz Duur...lol... It's interesting that she is knowledgeable in many languages, speaking fluent Dothraki and Common Tongue, as if she speaks often with people of that language, while all the other slaves couldn't understand anyone. She calls herself a godswife to their temple. She's a healer and can heal Drogo. Some of them call her "maegi" though. Maegi are said to be women "who lay with demons and practiced the blackest of sorceries, a vile thing, evil and soulless, who came to men in the dark of night and sucked life and strength from their bodies." *SPOILER FOR CLASH OF KINGS* (view spoiler) She doesn't look like a maegi to Dany, though I don't know how she would recognize one if she sees one, and she urges Drogo to make use of her healing powers.
21. Jorah asks where she got her learning and Mirri Maz Duur says she learned at Asshai by the Shadow. *SPOILER FOR CLASH OF KINGS* (view spoiler) She learned from several different people when she studied there, including a maester named Marwyn (whom we hear a little more about in later books, but I forgot a lot about him). Ser Jorah doesn't seem to believe a maester would ever be seen in Asshai, but she describes what maesters look like to the T, convincing him she's telling the truth. She also says all men are one flock, and she starts to sound very Christian here with the protecting of the lambs, lol.
22. I am very surprised Drogo lets Dany help him walk to the temple for healing. She tells him she's no man, so it won't be said a man helped him. It's surprisingly sweet. :)
23. We don't get much information on the Great Shepherd religion, but it sounds closely related to Christianity.
24. I wonder what's in the pale green paste she puts inside the flap of Drogo's skin. Sounds nasty, and painful! I could never be a nurse...
25. I forgot Drogo was supposed to say a few prayers she gives him for ten days and nights.
26. Odd she doesn't recommend milk of the poppy, though I believe that stuff primarily is used to let you sleep and dull the pain, but I guess pain is nothing to Drogo so it's no big deal.
27. I like that Mirri Maz Duur calls the birthing bed "the bloody bed." :) Dany wants her to help with the birthing of her son. Sounds like an honor, even though she is a slave and that's her job.
28. Drogo laughs and reminds her she doesn't ask a slave to do something, you command her. That's true!
29. "The Great Shepherd guards the flock." I want to know more about this Great Shepherd! *SPOILER FOR CLASH OF KINGS* (view spoiler)
About your point 19, Viserys did say they lie with horses. They are both so messed up!*SPOILER FOR CLASH OF KINGS* (view spoiler)
1-I know war is cruel, but I have the idea the wars the Dothraki have are much crueler than the ones in Westeros. Or at leats, more openly cruel.
2-She is walking through the battlefield; it seems Khal Ogo attacked the Lamb Men, and then Drogo's khalasar attacked as well. The Lamb Men doesn't seem like warriors (at least not like the Khlas who attacked them), so I wonder why they were attacked.
3-She is now walking because Khal Ogo was defeated, he and his son were killed by Drogo. She remembered they were sitting next to Drogo when Viserys was crowned, and I honestly don't know how they could act like friends and then kill each other. It sounds more like a Westerosi thing. Or maybe they weren't acting, and that's just normal to them.
4-What they did to that poor boy, that was plain cruelty. So sad and so horrible. I wish she'd have done something for him.
5-So, Jorah fought as well. For some reason, I don't think he raped women after the fights like the others. But I have to say, I didn't like him at all when he talked so casually about selling people, and telling Drogo where he would get a better price. And also Drogo selling people. But they have slaves, so it's normal.
6-Now, this is the part when I really like Daenerys. She hears the girl scream, and sent riders to stop it and bring the girl to her. She took her as a "slave", but I don't think she would be cruel to the girl. But the thing is, she just rescued girls and women, not boys, who she heard screaming, but did nothing about it. I wonder why.
7-I think it made her happy when Jorah told her she was Rhaegar's sister. Maybe because he was merciful as well?
8-When she got to Drogo, and after telling him why she helped all those women and girls, he told her that was the reward of the men who won. Obviously they didn't see them as people, or at least not in their level. My guessing is because they aren't warriors. Also what Qotho said about them, he is truly the cruelest of the bloodriders.
9-Drogo is wounded, and Jorah told her it wasn't that bad. The khal himself also acts like it's not a big deal, but it is. It sounded really bad the way it was described.
10-One of the women Dany rescued, the one who could talk the Common Tongue, said she could help. She spoke in Dothraki, so it seems she knows languages. Her name is Mirri Maz Duur, she says she's a healer, but one of the bloodriders thinks she is a maegi, basically a witch. I get the feeling they don't see a lot of maegis, and if they do they don't treat them gently.
11-Maybe I got confused, but I think I remember Maester Marwyn, one of the people who taught her the healing arts, is named again, and has a bigger role. But some names are so similar, and there are so many that I am most likely wrong. And it's curious a Maester from the Citadel was in Asshai opening bodies and teaching anatomy to this woman.
12-Finally, she sees Drogo's wounds and one of the bloodriders (I think the same one who called her maegi) that if something happened to Drogo, she would have the same fate. Also, the way she didn't pay much attention to that makes me think it's not the first time she's been told that. And Dany asked her to help her with her child. She trusted this woman really fast, which seems kinda odd for her.