Breaking The Code To The Catcher In The Rye discussion

Anyway, it was the Saturday of the football game with Saxon Hall. The game with Saxon Hall was supposed to be a very big deal around Pencey. It was the last game of the year, and you were supposed to commit suicide or something if old Pencey didn't win. I remember around three o'clock that afternoon I was standing way the hell up on top of Thomsen Hill, right next to this crazy cannon that was in the Revolutionary War and all. You could see the whole field from there, and you could see the two teams bashing each other all over the place. You couldn't see the grandstand too hot, but you could hear them all yelling, deep and terrific on the Pencey side, because practically the whole school except me was there, and scrawny and faggy on the Saxon Hall side, because the visiting team hardly ever brought many people with them.

The First flag of the United States says a lot about this Revolutionary War that this 'crazy cannon' was in.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_...

Now look at this flag:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_...

This is the flag of The British East India Company



Look familiar?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_...


And note these three flags:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briti...

Any more thoughts on this? Please comment.

Laura wrote: " If I combine that with the accepted interpretation of that 1939 Renoir movie and some personal experience I get this. Hitler was supported by other non-German interests in Europe, especially the UK. Those interests thought he was fairly stupid and manageable, and would get rid of the Jews for them. The problem arose when he showed a larger ambition.
..."

If be wasn't acting as plan they could have assassinated him (Hitler). Not that difficult.

No according to what i found out through studying the Catcher this was part of the plan. They were tooling up way before Hitler came to power. See:

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


I think they always want you to think these leaders are stupid that they put in power. We put Saddam Hussein in power. Our president was friends with Osama bin Laden. And Hitler was supported by one of our president's grandfather.

And every president except one are all related to the British crown.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...


I don't believe anyone can get into power without money interest. Also take a look at this.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/4...

Better read War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America's Most Decorated Soldier

They (US investors) built up the infrastructure in Germany, after WW1, how else could you have a war if you can't have an enemy that poses a threat. But they also made a treaty at the end of WW1 that would ensure that there would be another war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treat...

When I read this:

"Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes in the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilian and combatant. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[5][6"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

You said: "Regarding the cannon, I can only think of one of the more radical conspiracy theories, to which I don't subscribe, which says that the UK Royal family still owns the US."

Given the flags and the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First...

And "he who owns the gold makes the rules."

Maybe this is a case where WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

But we dont write the history books someone else does. And we are supposed to memorize the 'facts" not question them.

From the Catcher

Stradlater says "That got him really mad. He shook his big stupid finger in my face. "Holden, God damn it, I'm warning you, now. For the last time. If you don't keep your yap shut, I'm gonna--"
"Why should I?" I (Holden) said--I was practically yelling. "That's just the trouble with all you morons. You never want to discuss anything. That's the way you can always tell a moron. They never want to discuss anything intellig--"

Laura wrote: "Cosmic;
You have my head swimming. I'm losing track of where you're going with this as it relates to The Catcher. If you want to make the conversation broader, fine with me. Please just indicate wh..."

Ok you have read the premise of how I am reading the Catcher In The Rye here:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Do tonight I added this topic:
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Laura wrote:" Re US President's all being related. Maybe something there, but the study deals with eighth cousins. "

I am pretty sure I am not related to the blue bloods. I don't think most people in America are. So i think that statistic is really improbable, unless by design.

Here is another good one on Hitler:
https://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler

Well he escaped going to prison or being executed. I think that's a pretty big deal? How did he get there?

You asked, "In that last quote from The Catcher , who is Holden talking about?"
Stradlater

I think the point from Salinger is that Wall Street makes a lot of money having wars. And so wars are about profits.

You have probably heard "if they didn't have (fill in any evil dictator) they would have to invent them." I think the Catcher speaks to how they invent the theater of war.

Laura wrote: "Cosmic;
You have my head swimming. I'm losing track of where you're going with this as it relates to The Catcher. If you want to make the conversation broader, fine with me. Please just indicate wh..."

I am making the connection between the expression 'crazy cannon' of the revolutionary war and the flag that that war was fought for. If you are puzzled it is because it looks like a crazy war. Where we might have been led to believe we were fighting against British rule and yet remain under it's influence by the East India Trading Company. It appears to me a farce.

I am not really interested in figuring out other conspiracies. I am interested in figuring out what Salinger may have known and hinted at in The Catcher. It is like a game. Even if i don't figure it out exactly like Salinger meant it, with the internet i have been able to learn a lot about the "rest of the story" as Paul Harvey put it.

I figure if they can put a man in power they can take him out.

A good book on this might be Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship

Laura wrote: "Maybe you can correct me, but for now, since we're focusing on monetary motivation with which I concur, I don't understand how the British gained from the Revolutionary War. Whatever that East India company was doing after the war it could have done the same things without one. UK lost tax revenues and paid military expenses; largely salaries.."

Well if you have watched The Secrets of Oz I think you can see what they got. They got a compliant public. Now instead of rebelling against taxes they think they own the country and are willing to pay. The colonist exercised the same kinds of harsh taxing the British did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey.... Definitely not a government that was working families r the people. Just the sort of thing that the West India Trading Company would be doing to people that stood in their way of resources.

I have read the The Idiot in a while, but it comes to mind about how people think about land and war.

Thank you for asking these questions! Made more sense it comes to the phrase "crazy cannon."


Laura wrote: "the whiskey tax, do you believe that the federal government has no right or need to tax?.."

The Whiskey Rebellion, also known as the Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791, during the presidency of George Washington.

The tax was resisted by farmers in the western frontier regions who were long accustomed to distilling their surplus grain and corn into whiskey. In these regions, whiskey was sufficiently popular that it often served as a medium of exchange. Many of the resisters were war veterans who believed that they were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution, in particular against taxation without local representation, while the U.S. federal government maintained the taxes were the legal expression of the taxation powers of Congress.

If yes, I'll disagree but not argue as it boils down to opinion and finance."

I agree with the farmers in this case. Because they did not use cash. They had a system of barter and thus they could not pay their "taxes". The land was mountainous, because we are talking about the Appalachia, which was west. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appal...

Because the land was hilly they could not grow a lot of corn. Turning it into whisky was a way to create more value when they didn't have a lot of land. See The Education of Little Tree
The whiskey excise was immediately controversial, with many people on the frontier arguing the tax unfairly targeted westerners.[14] Whiskey was a popular drink, and farmers often supplemented their incomes by operating small stills.[15] Farmers living west of the Appalachian Mountains distilled their excess grain into whiskey, which was easier and more profitable to transport over the mountains than the more cumbersome grain. A whiskey tax would make western farmers less competitive with eastern grain producers.[16] Additionally, cash was always in short supply on the frontier, so whiskey often served as a medium of exchange. For poorer people who were paid in whiskey, the excise was essentially an income tax that wealthier easterners did not pay.

The main objection to the whiskey tax was that it was taxation without (local) representation, exactly what they'd just fought the Revolutionary War to stop.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisk...

The President, Directors and Company, of the Bank of the United States, commonly known as the First Bank of the United States, was a national bank, chartered for a term of twenty years, by the United States Congress on February 25, 1791. It followed the Bank of North America, the nation's first de facto central bank.

There were other, nonnegotiable conditions for the establishment of the First Bank of the United States. Among these were:[citation needed]

That the bank was to be a private company.

Hamilton's bank proposal faced widespread resistance from opponents of increased federal power. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and James Madison led the opposition, which claimed that the bank was unconstitutional, and that it benefited merchants and investors at the expense of the majority of the population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First...


[So the people still didn't have representation. And the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_... flag and the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_... were conspirators together. I believe it was by design.

How did history repeat itself?

The Federal Reserve System‍—‌also known as the Federal Reserve or simply as the Fed‍—‌is the central banking system of the United States. It was created on December 23, 1913, with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907.

We resisted a national bank after the civil war. But in 1913...
The Federal Reserve System considers itself "an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms."

The House voted on December 22, 1913, with 298 yeas to 60 nays, and the Senate voted 43–25 on December 23, 1913.[143] President Woodrow Wilson signed the bill later that day."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feder...

[Do you think that was a bit sneaky doing it so close to a holiday? They don't tell us what the vote count was.]

After the sinking of seven US merchant ships by submarines and the publication of the Zimmermann telegram, Wilson called for war on Germany, which the US Congress declared on 6 April 1917.

Included among these were the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and the Federal Farm Loan Act. Having taken office one month after ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, Wilson called a special session of Congress, whose work culminated in the Revenue Act of 1913, reintroducing an income tax and lowering tariffs.

The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows the Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states or basing it on the United States Census. This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements regarding direct taxes, after income taxes on rents, dividends, and interest were ruled to be direct taxes in the court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co. (1895). The amendment was adopted on February 3, 1913.

[First comes a central bank then comes the Revenue Tax, and then comes the DEBT..WAR DEBT that is. A blank check paid for twice by the American people. Paid for once by human lives and limbs. Then paid for by again by human toil.

is righteous to be against the people who profit from war if they are the same people who paid for or caused it in some other way. But, just suppose a war just happened because two entities hated each other. Would it be wrong for someone who made war supplies to make a profit?"

This sounds like the chicken and the egg riddle.

Wars are organized. They cannot just happen. They are planned. In the event of WW2 it was so blatant that it was called a Phoney War:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone...

A good reason for Holden to use that word a lot.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


Are the ducks representative of the banks, the military vehicle or both?
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Laura wrote: "However, you have sidestepped answering whether or not it is okay for the federal government to impose any tax. I consider that a bigger issue. Methodology comes second...."


It doesn't matter what i think. This is a thread about breaking the code to The Catcher In The Rye. So this is off topic.

If I were doing this I would speak of JDS' revelations of WWII, and avoid getting into the Revolutionary War, WWI, the history of the banking system, or the tax system.

Yeah, well then i wouldn't have learned about the flag that the revolution was fought over was little more than the East India Trading Company, or that a federal bank was put in place and then unfair taxes were again imposed on a people's that thought they had fought against that. So the war was a fraud. And to me that is more Salinger message. WAR is a Racket.

You also sidestepped the "chicken or the egg" riddle which is phony, unless you are taking the position that human beings will never fight each other unless tricked into it.

How do you think Henry David Thoreau would answer that?

Well i think Salinger and Thoreau have a lot in common. They probably would sit down together over some herbal tea.

Cosmic wrote: "Laura wrote: " If I combine that with the accepted interpretation of that 1939 Renoir movie and some personal experience I get this. Hitler was supported by other non-German interests in Europe, es..."

Interesting information Cosmic. Not that it bears on your analysis but I'm a direct descendent to Edward III's son John of Gaunt and all preceding English Kings and remote cousins of all subsequent British roayalty. I've long been interested in geneology. I read a while back that because there were so many aristocrats who married other aritstocrats and had so many children, legitimate and illegitimate, a significant portion of American and Canadian citizens with western European ancestry are related to royalty in Europe.

Dave wrote: "Cosmic wrote: "Laura wrote: " If I combine that with the accepted interpretation of that 1939 Renoir movie and some personal experience I get this. Hitler was supported by other non-German interest..."

That is interesting.

I am from the South (Tennessee). When I moved to the Northeast, (Philadelphia and Boston), I was surprised that there were Daughter's off the Revolution. We (in the South, in my opinion), did not identify ourselves as much with the Revolutionary War as with the Civil War. But we also don't have Revolutionary War reenactments, since they were not fight in the South.

It doesn't mean we are not related to Royalty, but why my paradigm saw this as an exception rather than the rule.

Laura wrote: "This actually refers to a few posts back. The strong possibilty that the powers that be were planning WWII long before Hitler came to power seems to have little to do with whether or not he was a b..."

I don't know what Hitler's IQ was. But I suppose, JFK had too high of IQ.

He was a great speaker and he was providing the German people with a scapegoat for their economic demise.

What/who do you think was the cause / responsible of the economic demise of Germany?

Laura wrote: "You know as well as I that it was the aftermath of the WWI settlements. How stupid do you think I am? .."


Hitler did blame it on that but he was wrong in blaming it on the German Jews. There were German Jews as well as others that supported Hitler. They had to because their money was tied up in Marks. I don't really have a figure, but i am basing it on The Hare With Amber Eyes: A Family's Century of Art and Loss

He write that his father was a banker (owned a bank). He supported Hitler winning because his investments were in Marks and in the countries that Germany occupied. But also he did not support the Zionist. He did not say why.

Maybe there was more than one faction of Jews in the world?

The family lost their fortune and had to sell their bank to the Deschutes bank.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I am sorry but this is really not my area of expertise.