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Probably the most high profile and best known reference to the NWO, in America at least, is the much-touted US One Dollar Bill Theory. As many a proud member of the Tinfoil Hat Network will tell anyone who is half-listening to them, written on the US dollar bill is a Latin Phrase that translates as New World Order.

We even heard a well-known conspiracy theory radio show host tell his audience, “As everybody knows, it’s a fact that the words New World Order are written in Latin on the dollar bill.”

Apparently, many American school kids accept this as fact as well.

The only problem is the Latin phrase novus ordo seclorum, which has been on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States since 1782, and on the reverse of the dollar bill since 1935, doesn’t translate to New World Order; it actually translates to New Order of the Ages.

Instead of a New World Order and toppling of nation-states, New Order of the Ages is commonly acknowledged by experts as being a reference to a new era of the United States of America, suggesting the nation will go from strength to strength. This appears to directly contradict the NWO claim, as nations are supposed to get weaker not stronger in the build-up to a one world government.

However, conspiracy theorists, especially the Tinfoil Hatter extremists, continue to claim that the direct Latin translation is just a smokescreen and the dollar bill does in fact allude to a coming NWO.

It seems the word mistranslation isn’t part of the vocab of the Tinfoil Hat Network’s members.

In 1934, the Freemason Henry Wallace, who was Franklin Roosevelt's vice-president, said this:

"It will take a more definite recognition of the Grand Architect of the Universe before the apex stone (the capstone- All Seeing Eye- of the pyramid) is finally fitted into place and this nation in the full strength of its power is in position to assume leadership among the nations in inaugurating the New Order of the Ages." (From Statesmanship and Religion, Round table Press, 1934)

Henry Wallace and Franklin Roosevelt were the ones who put the All Seeing Eye pyramid and its 'NWO motto' on the dollar bill.

To make sense of the significance of the missing capstone of the pyramid and the significant ties of ancient orders to present day Freemasonry, the book The Hiram Key is a good starting point.)

Harry wrote: "In 1934, the Freemason Henry Wallace, who was Franklin Roosevelt's vice-president, said this:

"It will take a more definite recognition of the Grand Architect of the Universe before the apex stone..."

There are quite a few Hiram Keys in the series. Could you recommend the kindle version or just the paper editions? Are they on Goodreads bookshelf?

I am interested in this because of this masonic allusions in The Catcher In The Rye by Salinger. He has the brothers going to the crypt....with a fuck you written on it. I first became interested in the symbol on the dollar bill when I was in high school in 1970. Seems like it became a quest.

It is also talked about in the The Thirty-Nine Steps. Greenmantle as a design to create a new world. This was written in 1915.

I don't think that the design is for a nation to get stronger. I think each leader of these countries saw themselves bring about the new world order but not for a nation but for the "society". It is international in scope. Sure the leader in power at the time hoped it would be his destiny but it wasn't his to dictate. It might have been that his chosen role was to hand over his nation to the cabal. These leaders are placed in their position as even Nathaniel Hawthorne told us in The House of the Seven Gables.

I remember thinking that the Latin was "New World Order" then going to the library and being disappointed it didn't say that. The meaning in the symbol is still very powerful. One thing about a pyramid it is not a shape that will topple over like the tarot card "the Tower".

Great discussion.

Harry wrote: "In 1934, the Freemason Henry Wallace, who was Franklin Roosevelt's vice-president, said this:

"It will take a more definite recognition of the Grand Architect of the Universe before the apex stone..."

I actually think Wallace's comment can be read either way, but maybe it means America going from strength to strength rather than gradually destroying the nation to make way for some one world government. After all, "this nation in the full strength of its power is in position to assume leadership among the nations" sounds like America in 21st Century i.e. the last remaining Superpower and the world's unquestionable leader.

Whatever the case with Wallace's intentions however, the vast majority of (mainstream) historians believe America's founding fathers usage of the Latin phrase "novus ordo seclorum" relates to the United States growing mightier in time rather than receeding. Certainly the US historians I have spoken to personally have also told me as much regarding this issue and the common misunderstanding with the phrase.

Once again though - that doesn't mean all those scholars couldn't be wrong in their assessment...It simply means the NWO theories concerning the Latin phrase and the US dollar bill are more speculative theories instead of the absolute fact that many tinfoil hatters would like us to believe they are.

Cosmic wrote: "I am interested in this because of this masonic allusions in The Catcher In The Rye by Salinger. He has the brothers going to the crypt ..."

Hi Cosmic,

That's interesting regarding the masonic allusions in The Catcher In The Rye.
Will that be included in the book you're writing on The Catcher?

James wrote: "That's interesting regarding the masonic allusions in The Catcher In The Rye.
Will that be included in the book you're writing on The Catcher? ..."


I think it has to be included. You know how you put a jigsaw puzzle together. You try a lot of pieces before the picture starts coming together. Then the more pieces you find a place for the faster the picture starts to become apparent. Seems like I have created that momentum in my study of the Catcher and I am getting excited to complete the puzzle! Working on it now.

Hi Cosmic and James,

I've only read The Hiram Key and The Book of Hirambut both are very good, and there's an abundance of other books on the topic of linking Freemasons to ancient orders and Hermetic beliefs.

The bit about the crypt in Cathcher In The Rye is interesting, Cosmic.

There are so many things written about the meaning of the All Seeing Eye pyramid, and the capstone being an integral part of Freemasonry, that I personally assume that Wallace's mention of 'the apex stone' must mean that, but obviously it's up for debate.
More interesting than that, to me, is his use of the words Great Architect of the Universe- obviously a reference to 'God'- whichever 'god' you believe Wallace was talking about. This undermines a little the idea that the whole quote was just about going from strength to strength and that there was more implied here.

I also personally feel that the actual term New Order of the Ages, rather than New World Order, makes more sense of the lineage of conspiratorial secret societies that have existed for thousands of years. I'm not citing any proof or evidence for this bit- just my own beliefs- but many people like me believe in the Mayan and Hopi beliefs that there were Ages before our current one. 'Atlantis', 'Mu', 'Lemuria'... call them what you want, which were forgotten after the Great Flood (for instance, we know the Sphinx predates the Great Flood, and there's a plethora of discoveries coming to light of ancient intelligent civilisations). The whole Mayan 'end times' thing of 21st December 2012- which was actually seen by the Maya as time 'running out' and us beginning another New Age- but also the very last- seems fitting, seeing as we are now at that point in time, and as James mentions in the post above, Wallace's statement sounds more as though it's about the U.S.A of today- at this exact point of 'standing at the edge of the new age.'

I believe there's a conspiracy that's been around for thousands of years, and therefore Wallace's term New Order of the Ages makes more sense to me in that context.

Harry, thanks for your posts.
What's your opinion of Henry Wallace, by the way?
I know some who believe if he'd managed to become President there never would have been a Cold War and we would have avoided the Vietnam War.
Some say Wallace had the support from the American public, but he was thwated by the powers that be.

Cheers Lance. I don't have much of an opinion on Wallace as I've never extensively researched him- but I certainly believe him to be a part of 'The Conspiracy', whether he was active in it or just obeying orders. In my humble opinion, there's no way there wasn't going to be a Cold War, as 'The Conspiracy' always get their way- just as we went into Iraq- but that's a subjective opinion!

Cosmic wrote: "I think it has to be included. You know how you put a jigsaw puzzle together. You try a lot of pieces before the picture starts coming together. Then the more pieces you find a place for the faster the picture starts to become apparent. Seems like I have created that momentum in my study of the Catcher and I am getting excited to complete the puzzle! Working on it now ..."

Sounds good, Cosmic.
Best of luck with your book!
p.s. The Catcher is one big jigsaw!

My opinion on Henry Wallace is he was way out of his depth when it came to politics. Check out how his own party rejected him in 1940 when he was nominated as VP. Sometimes guys with good hearts don't make great leaders.

Hi David, you could be right about Wallace, he had the heart but possibly not the management or leadership skills.
But have you seen Oliver Stone's TV series Untold History of the United States or the companion book? In that, Oliver and his team of researchers and historians reveal evidence supporting the theory that Wallace was the man the American public wanted, but he was usurped by some greater conspiracy involving the Military Industrial Complex.

I loved JFK but it seems that Stone's Untold History went way out in left field. Just my opinion. If you want to talk FDR stuff, how about Huey Long. A lone gunman, or a conspiracy?

Not as familiar with Huey Long actually.

A most interesting man. The best bio I read was this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Huey-Long-T-Har...

That book has had excellent reviews. Will check it out.
If it was a conspiracy, why do you think certain parties wanted Huey Long dead? What did he stand for in that era and what would be their motivation?

It has been a while.

Huey was a populist and the economic power brokers were not happy with his "a chicken in every pot" theory. He was in control of Louisiana in the 30's at the same time period of Hitler and Mussolini. Some feared he might go that route.

14 Fun Facts About the U.S. One Dollar Bill: Educational Version

5 hidden messages on the dollar bill https://www.aol.com/article/lifestyle...

Some geezer called Harry Whitewolf discovered hidden images by mirroring the dollar bill pyramid:



Matrix Visions

Check out this vid for more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifC3t...

He's dangerous that geezer...

James wrote: "He's dangerous that geezer..."

Wouldn't trust a word he says.

Right.
So go back to watching American Gladiators :)