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1. Translation by Hugh Tredennick at Perseus (from the Loeb Classical Library).
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2. Translation by W.D.Ross at Adelaide (downloadable for Kindle and epub)
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3. Translation by John M'Mahon at Librivox (audiobook)
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1. Aristotle A Very Short Introduction
2. Aristotle The Desire to Understand

On youtube Gregory B. Sadler has some really nice videos. He's a philosophy teacher. I'm sure he has made a video concerning this book too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IbM1...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKTlM...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72V5L...

Only when I've read a book to the end and digested it, do I feel comfortable deciphering it with others. Even then--frequently, group discussion will focus on aspects of a book which seem very cut-and-dried to me; and many times the points-I-wish-to-ponder aren't of any compelling interest to anyone else. So what I do is simply read a book and reflect on it privately.
If a group is chatting about a title and a question comes up towards which I can direct an answer, I do so. But I don't usually have any questions myself. For example, if I'm reading the Laws of Thermodynamics--when I come to the formulas and equations--obviously I am not going to grasp them, so I skip over them to the next part of the verbiage. After putting the book down, not knowing those equations doesn't nag at me. I absorbed what I could absorb and left the rest behind. Does that sound strange?

There are 14 "books" in Metaphysics. My plan is to read two books per week (which amounts to about 70 pages in the Penguin edition of Metaphysics), starting on Nov. 11 and finishing by Dec. 31.

Your reading habit doesn't sound strange at all. I also do most of my reading in private, but group read can be stimulating and rewarding when you can test your ideas against others', and gain new perspectives and insights.
I saw that you asked a very interesting question about the book, which I hope we'll address in due time.

Nemo, where'd we leave our own discussion about creativity? I remember haggling with you about something.
Glad to see you now 'have the bit between your teeth' with philosophical reading material. There'll be no stopping you!



Are you planning on reading just the book or some supplementary text alongside?
Nick

I don't plan to read any supplementary text this time around, but if you find any good and relevant supplementary materials, feel free to bring them up.

Aristotle: A Very Short Introduction

Thanks Feliks and Nemo for the links to resources above...


That's awesome!

Hi Dr. A,
I'm excited to have a philosophy prof joining the discussion. When you taught this work, were there any prerequisite readings?
P.S., I like the look and feel of your website.

On prerequisites, I'd say read the chapter 6 sections 3-6 in the Lear and then jump into the *Metaphysics*. But having some familiarity with the Presocratics and Aristotle's *Physics* will also be of great help. But I'm happy to fill what we need to know about these, as we encounter interpretive tasks.
I'm happy to join you (it's one of my favorite-ests texts!), and thank you for organizing this group.
Best, DrA
P.S. Shall I spread the word about this reading group - might be able to find a couple other interested parties...



I think Aristotle in the Metaphysics got his criticism of Plato's Theory of Ideas right. My review of this is here.
Love Dr. A's blog. Will enjoy going through her reviews.


Could you (or someone else) recommend the most complete and state-of-the-art scholarly compilation of the writings of the pre-socratic philosophers? I'd like to read translations of the original text, not commentaries or introductions or reviews.

The Presocratic Philosophers: A Critical History with a Selection of Texts by Kirk and Raven
I threw up a blog post with a couple other suggestions

Kathleen Freeman's English translation of Diels would seem to suit your specifications. I don't own it. Looking forward to do so.
I like Burnet's Early Greek Philosophy, which has translations and commentary. For individual pre-Socratics, I like Nestor-Luis Cordero's translation of and commentary on Parmenides's Poem, By Being, It Is. There are several English translations of Heraclitus. I have Robinson's, but many think that Mouraviev's work is the ultimate: 20 volumes, not cheap. Good luck with that. Democritus is very important. Unfortunately we don't have much from him. It is all in H. Diels and W. Kranz, Die Fragmente der Vorsokratiker, 6th edition, Berlin: Weidmann, 1951. See Freeman's translation. Most of what we have for Zeno is in Plato's Parmenides and Aristotle's Physics.
Doesn't meet your specification, but Diogenes Laertius, Lives of the Eminent Philosophers (Loeb Library, two volumes) is my favorite source: "Unreliable", amusing, has most of the fragments reported elsewhere anyway. A real kick.
Randal

Others have recommended the following:
W.K.C. Guthrie's A History of Greek Philosophy
Daniel W. Graham's The Texts of Early Greek Philosophy, which "contains new fragments and testimonies not included in the authoritative but now outdated Fragmente der Vorsokratiker".

Others have recommended the following:
W.K.C. Guthrie's [book:A History of Greek Ph..."
Nemo,
Graham looks good. And it is new. Guthrie is a standard series. Can't comment. Haven't read any. A Goodreads friend has given the first volume five stars. Diogenes Laertius is chocked full of stuff and is great fun. Lots of people have been arguing about the reliability of his reports for nearly two thousand years. The stories are still amusing. Have fun.
Another book on Pythagoras and Parmenides would be To Think Like God by Arnold Hermann. This comes in both a scholarly and a popular edition (with photos) and diagrams. Hermann is a Parmenidean and Neo-Platonist and an "independent scholar." His wife publishes the book at Parmenides Press, which also publishes other books, especially on Parmenides. I got a loaner copy of the pop edition from the Seattle Public Library and it was definitely worth a look. I own the scholarly edition. It is good, but from the point of view of a believer. It has an English translation of Parmenides Poem, the little we have of it. Cordero has the Greek as well.
I will look up Graham. Thanks for posting that.
Cheers,
Randal

I too care about the reliability of Laertius' accounts of the ancient philosophers, for I have the impression that the lives of the ancient philosophers are more consistent with their worldviews than the modern philosophers, for whom philosophy is just another intellectual discipline.

There is one thing I often wonder about when reading Aristotle.
It is his usual practice, when writing about a subject, to first summarize the theories of the pre-socratic and other philosophers and evaluate the merits and faults of each. This is a very commendable practice. However, it seems to me that he presents the other philosophers as more irrational and absurd than they really are, perhaps taking their words out of context or not actually understand them himself.
It would be better if one could study the pre-socratic philosophers independently and form their own opinions before receiving Aristotle's. But, we have only the fragments available, whereas Aristotle probably had access to all the original writings.

According to Aristotle, if anyone (e.g. literary critic) has knowledge of what is the cause of good art, then he would be able to teach others to create good art. (Feliks, this is relevant to our previous discussion about creativity. )
[981b]“We view them as being wiser not in virtue of being able to act, but of having the theory for themselves and knowing the causes. And in general it is a sign of the man who knows and of the man who does not know, that the former can teach, and therefore we think art more truly knowledge than experience is; for artists can teach, and men of mere experience cannot."Where does the saying "Those who can do, those who can't teach" come from?

I was thinking of it this way: have you ever tried to teach someone something that you regularly do? It gets you to think about what you've been doing at a higher level, doesn't it? Often, it is by teaching a text that I feel like I really really get to understanding it. But take practice based knowledge, which is Aristotle's model here: how to tie your shoe. You can do it, but try explaining it to someone who hasn't done it, and you see what he means. Or take making cooking (getting closer to a creative work), you can list ingredients and how to put them together, but somehow there is something more. Painting? There is technique, but then there is the art of it, a talent honed through practice. I think A has here in mind the very practical arts, how to make and do things that have use value. (A critique here is that he too narrowly focuses on works of techne). The teacher has to have knowledge of the universals not just the particular; not only how to make a chair from this wood here, but how chairs are made generally. A classifies that type of knowledge, of universals as opposed to particulars, as being of higher order. And he believes that this is the type of knowledge that one must posses in order to be able to teach (well). This is the kind of knowledge that is (in my opinion) produced in the act of teaching itself, and is not pre-existing, but A might not agree on that point. :-) Think of something that you have taught in the past; what was your process?

It is his usual practice, when writing about a subject, to first summarize the theories of the pre-socratic and other philosophers ..."
Actually, it was A who himself invented and established this as a way of doing philosophy. It is a method that Heidegger again popularizes in the 20th Century: You ask a question, go through all the answers (popular or accepted) and show how they lead to absurdity (a logical term, inconsistency) and are unintelligible. You thereby clear the ground for developing your own answer to a given question, often by solving the problems/inconsistencies presented by your predecessor's answers.
It is thanks to this approach that we know as much as we know about the presocratics, since the bulk of the fragments that we have come from A quoting them in his texts. And this presents a very difficult interpretive task because A is not always objective or even fair where he presents the presocratics. And yet we are forced to see then through his perspective - it is very difficult to get back behind A to an interpretation of the Presocratics from their own historical vantage point. And remember that there are two generations between A and the Presocs: that's 80-100 years. Imagine only having knowledge of the 1920's as seen through the eyes of the 2010's, with no/v few surviving original documents or materials!

Aristotle is paraphrasing Plato's idea there, which he rejects in his other (and I presume earlier) works, e.g., The Nicomachean Ethics. As an armchair Platonist, I'm glad he finally came to his senses. :)
Aristotle's focus on techne is understandable, for he is attempting to understand the cause of existence, and one sees concrete examples of things coming into existence in techne. In Book I, he criticizes Plato for not adequately addressing the problem of causation, but he hasn't done any better himself, imo. What's the difference between a) having a knowledge of the universal but not being able to act and effect the particular, and b)having an abstract Idea of something and not being able to instantiate it or bring it into existence?

I haven't read any 20th century philosophers, so please bear with me if I ask any stupid questions. :)
Logical inconsistency means that the ideas of a philosopher are self-contradictory, is that right? In Aristotle's case, oftentimes he is just saying that other ideas contradict his own system, e.g., they don't fall neatly into his Categories. That's not logical inconsistency. That's disagreement.

I haven't read any 20th century philosophers . . . Logical inconsistency means that the ideas of a philosopher are self-contradictory, is that right? In Aristotle's case, oftentimes he is just saying that other ideas contradict his own system, e.g., they don't fall neatly into his Categories. ..."
I take it that it was Parmenides that proposed the basic laws of classical bivalent logic: 1) Identity, 2) Excluded Middle, and 3) Non-contradiction. Aristotle is often given credit for this, but Aristotle also questioned bivalence specifically in his discussion of the famous problem of future contingents in De Interpretatione [19a30]. I have wondered about this at length here. I think he questioned bi-valence for future events. A famous early twentieth century Polish logician, Lukasiewicz, agreed (See his great book Aristotle's Syllogistic.) Many other contemporary logicians also follow the Dutch intuitionists in abandoning the law of the excluded middle, including Michael Dummett and Hartry Field.
But, back to your question, my favorite contemporary logician, Graham Priest, specifically argues against the Law of Non-contradiction (LNC) for very specific cases at the limits of language, iteration, and being (See my posts here and here.) Not that this applies in all cases. It applies in very few, but it is only universally true if you start assuming the LNC to begin with. Others (including me) like Reverend Gotama's (aka the Buddha's) four-valued logic: true, false, neither, or both.
But, back to Aristotle. I see that we have started with The Metaphysics ([980a24]). Great. Your quote looks like as good as any for the source of "those who can do, those who can't teach," except, as Dr. A points out, Aristotle seems to have meant it in exactly the opposite sense: ". . . .it is a sign of the man who knows, that he can teach, and we think art more truly knowledge than experience is; for artists can teach, and men of mere experience cannot." [981b6] Your quote may be an example of a joker making fun of the greats.
Cheers,
Randal

As we will discuss, Aristotle is very critical in the Metaphysics of Plato's Theory of Ideas, the theory that universals "exist" in a world of their own. I agree with Aristotle (and the twentieth century intuitionists) here. Of which more later.
Randal

That's what joker is for! :)
I don't see any qualitative difference between bivalent and four-valued logic. They are both limited sets, one with two mutually exclusive members and the other 4.

Assuming that one has knowledge of the cause, it does not follow that he can act and bring the effect into existence. How then can he teach others to do so? The most he can do is to pass on his abstract knowledge to others who can't act either.
It seems there are three kinds of people, those who have abstract knowledge but cannot act, those who can act, not from knowledge but habit (imitation and repetition), and those who can act from knowledge of the cause and generate effect.

It seems to me that Aristotle is saying here not that there are different kinds of people, but that there are different exemplars of the various ways of being or levels of knowledge. After the passage you quoted he goes on to say "we do not consider any of the senses to be Wisdom." Dr. A says, "The teacher has to have knowledge of the universals not just the particular; not only how to make a chair from this wood here, but how chairs are made generally." But he doesn't reference universals and particulars here, does he? Aristotle says "we consider that the master craftsmen in every profession are more estimable and know more and are wiser than the artisans, because they know the reasons of the things which are done . . . artisans perform theirs through habit. Thus the master craftsmen are superior in wisdom, not because they can do things, but because they possess a theory and know the causes." This is arguing in favor of theory, but not necessarily Plato's Theory of Ideas (universals in a world of their own). Later on, he attacks this.

Aristotle references universals and particulars in 981a, immediately before the passage in question. He is arguing in favour of the knowledge of universal over particular here. Where he disagrees with Plato is whether universals can exist independently of particulars.

Aristotle references universals and particulars in 981a, immediately before the passage in question. He is argu..."
Gad! "The reason of this is that experience is knowledge of particulars, but art of universals . . . "[981a15] I stand, humbly, corrected!

I agree. He actually did not convince me that Plato was wrong; albeit, he may have pointed out areas in Plato's philosophy that could be better clarified, and possibly even modified. I still remain more of a Platonist.
I am very curious as to what Aristotle's view of time was. I want to know specifically how it fit into his philosophy. I'd love to see this elaborated by someone who has read more of him than I have thus far. He posits contraries numerous times as a sort of gauge between his philosophy and that of others. He admits the contraries of existence/non-existence, as well as, health/sickness, existing within time, but never at the same time. It would seem to indicate that his view of time is absolute and is itself eternal. This begs the question whether his unmoved mover was himself time bound.

He writes about time in Book IV of the Physics, but I haven't read it yet ( I was highly skeptical that good "Physics" could come from a guy who believed the Sun circled around the Earth.) Perhaps others could chime in here.
FWIW, here is my impromptu metaphysical reasoning:
If time is eternal, then nothing could be time-bound, in the sense that time does not enforce a limit on anything, being itself limitless. Therefore, the unmoved mover would be co-eternal with time; OTOH, if time is associated with change, then it is not eternal. The unmoved mover would then have to be outside of time and this world, for otherwise, he must be moved within time, which is an absurdity,

As Nemo says, Aristotle treats of time in Physics IV. He says there, [220b23] "So it is with the time and the movement, for we measure the movement by the time and vice versa. It is reasonable that this should happen; for the movement goes with the distance and the time with the movement, because they are quanta and continuous and divisible." (Hardie and Gaye translation in the Oxford Complete Works.)
In an interesting article in Philosophy East and West, Volume 62, Number 2 (April 2012) Rein Raud compares (p 153) Aristotle's conception of continuous time to Dogen's "essential moment." He says there about Aristotle's conception, "Time thus has, by definition, measurements and is analogous to a line in space, as opposed to the now (to nyn), which relates to time as a point relates to a line -- it is in/on it, but not a part of it." He calls Aristotle's conception of time "the basic received Western view of time."
I have long hoped to write about this comparison, including Zeno in the mix.

I'd be interested in such a comparison. I think much of his philosophy hinges on his conception of time being correct.

It would only be limitless linearly in Aristotle's conception of time I think. The unmoved mover would also be limited to linear time. Even if one argues that the line has no end, it is still a line and the mover does not transcend it; as you said, he is co-eternal with it. This does present a kind of dualism that also begs the question as to whether this presents limit as well. Unless, we are to assume an absolute identification between eternal time and the mover and make Aristotle a kind of Zurvanite.
Nemo wrote: "...OTOH, if time is associated with change, then it is not eternal. The unmoved mover would then have to be outside of time and this world, for otherwise, he must be moved within time, which is an absurdity, "
Once again, I would have to have more detail as to what Aristotle thought of time, but from his reasoning in the Metaphysics, it seems to be primary for him; because his refutations of other systems often hinge on the notion that contraries cannot exist at the same moment, while still existing within time itself. He makes the point that forms will change within time; and he uses this as a pretext for refuting the Platonist and Pythagorean notion of ideal forms. To have time itself be based on a previous ideal form would hurt his case it seems to me. An unmoved mover existing outside time and change would have little to do with his identity as a mover as such. To define time without recourse to movement and change seems rather unlikely.

If time is linear like a line in space, then it has parts and is divisible, and cannot be eternal.
"He makes the point that forms will change within time; and he uses this as a pretext for refuting the Platonist and Pythagorean notion of ideal forms."
I think Platonists would agree that contraries cannot exist in the same subject at the same time. Forms don't change with time, being outside of time; what changes is matter that participates in the Forms. To use an analogy, one can shape a large block of wax into different figures of men, but we don't say that the forms of men change with the wax. Whatever notion of time Aristotle adopts, he won't be able to touch Plato one bit. :)
An unmoved mover existing outside time and change would have little to do with his identity as a mover as such.
But it has everything to do with his identify as *unmoved* mover. How does Aristotle keep his prime mover unmoved without recourse to an unchanging realm?
To define time without recourse to movement and change seems rather unlikely.
That's what Plotinus did. I have also long hoped to write a post about his treatise on time once I've digested it.
If all things we perceive in this world of movement and change have their roots in unchangeable substances, it would follow that time itself can be defined as such.

1) First of all, it strikes me just how difficult it is to approach this first book of A'sM. This text is largely compiled from student of Aristotle's notes of his teachings. It doesn't read very linearly, and loops back around and repeats arguments, sometimes saying slightly different things.
2) My approach to reading the text (this time around) will be, first, to try to make sense of the overall argument A is putting forth, and why (his context and motivation). Second, I plan to take a specific quote and try to unpack it.
General Remarks, Book1: Aristotle's starting point is that all men desire to understand, to know. This is an important claim that seems foundational to the philosophical attitude - ergo, as rational animals, our desires are oriented towards understanding. Perception (sense perception) leads to knowledge of particulars, of the what, but universal k of the causes (the why things are as they are) is acquired through experience and memory.
From here, he makes a distinction (borrowed from Socrates/Plato) between knowledge of the particulars and universal knowledge, and he "translates" the latter into knowledge of causes or the origins of things. In doing so, he is simply rehashing what he has already established elsewhere - e.g., the Physics, the NE Ethics, etc. Now, in the Physics, he lays out the famous doctrine of the four causes: material, formal, efficient, and final cause. Now here, he is arguing that those who came before him discovered the material cause, and had some inkling of the other causes, but only vaguely perceived that there were different causes and what they were:
Inclosing this book, A writes:
"It is evident, then, even from what we have said before, that all men seem to seek the causes named in the Physics, and that we cannot name any beyond these; but they seek these vaguely; and though in a sense they have all been described before, in a sense they have not been described at all." ( Book1.10 )
His claim is that others before him have reached for these causes, but only hit upon a couple; he is also preliminarily claiming that the four he names is a complete set - no other causes.
(Interestingly, he seems to divide them off into the materialists/idealists (like Pythagoreans and Platonists); into those who believe in the One (e.g.Parmenides) and those who believe in the Many (e.g.Empedocles), a crucial debate in Presoc times; and into those who believe in non-existence or the void, and those who profess only Being exists.)
In doing so, Aristotle is reading his theory of the four causes back into his predecessors, a common philosophical trick. Needless to say, he finds them deficient. (You are right Neal that here he isn't performing reductio ad absurdum, I was mis-remembering these passages.) This is an argument (if memory serves me right) that is made, perhaps more clearly and with more linearity, in the Physics. In any case, the outcome of this discussion here seems to be different from that elsewhere. He seems to be after the moving cause, and the final cause, setting up to give an account of these.
In short, he seeks to establish the grounds for the science of first causes leading ultimately to the cause or original of everything, the highest end and origin, the original TOE (Theory of Everything):
"Judged by all the tests we have mentioned, then, the name in question falls to the same science; this must be a science that investigates the first principles and causes; for the good, i.e. the end, is one of the causes. " (BookI.2)
2) Okay, now for my favorite quote:
"And Empedocles, though he uses the causes to a greater extent than this, neither does so sufficiently nor attains consistency in their use. At least, in many cases he makes love segregate things, and strife aggregate them. For whenever the universe is dissolved into its elements by strife, fire is aggregated into one, and so is each of the other elements; but whenever again under the influence of love they come together into one, the parts must again be segregated out of each element."
Empedocles is one of the most interesting Presocs. He was said to be a God who jumped into a volcano to his death, and immortality. Anyhow, in this passage Aristotle is crystal clear on a point that a lot of texts get wrong. In Empedocles' system, the four elements - fire, air, water, earth - are in a constant state of flux. Through the power of Love/Friendship like things are brought together with like things, leading to the dissolution of the phenomenal world (which is composed of mixed beings) and a return to the unity/segegation of the four elements. And it is through Strife that things intermix and unlike and unlike are brought together, the phenomenal world of experience. From our human persoective, Love is a dangerous/destructive force, adn strife feels like harmony to us in the word to which we are so accustomed, a product of strife's reign. Most commentators, infected by European romanticism, get this backwards.
I.m also fascinated by this account of differnece/change, where speaking of the atomist Democritus, A recites the argument:
"These differences, they say, are three-shape and order and position. For they say the real is differentiated only by 'rhythm and 'inter-contact' and 'turning'; and of these rhythm is shape, inter-contact is order, and turning is position; for A differs from N in shape, AN from NA in order, M from W in position. The question of movement-whence or how it is to belong to things-these thinkers, like the others, lazily neglected. " (BookI.4)
So, this passage explain how the Atomist Democritus accounts for differences in the phenomenal world by positing differences of rhythm, order, and position. For the atoms are all the same, so Democritus has to account for why what we experience is difference; and for where movement comes from. But more on this later.
Early days yet, let see what develops in Book2 and onwards....

""It is right also that philosophy should be called knowledge of the truth (k of first causes). For the end of theoretical knowledge is truth,..." (II.1) He also makes an argument for the necessity of assuming finitude in causes and in knowledge, arguing that if not so, then neither knowledge nor truth would be possible.
Interestingly, A is here balancing two extremes - eternal truth (which he wants to assert, that knowledge is of unchanging principles) and infinity (which he wants to deny). So philosophy is perched between knowledge of things eternal and limited. II.3 is a transition to the next part.
2) The argument in part two (II.2) is crazy! Anyone care to try and lay it out?
If you know of any good commentaries or resources, your input would be much appreciated.
Tentative Schedule
Book I and II (Alpha and little alpha)
Nov. 11 - Nov.17
Book III and IV (Beta and Gamma)
Nov.18 - Nov.24.
Book V and VI (Delta and Epsilon)
Nov. 25 - Dec. 1.
Book VII and VIII (Zeta and Eta)
Dec. 2 - Dec.8
Book IX and X (Theta and Iota)
Dec.9 - Dec.15
Book XI and XII (Kappa and Lambda)
Dec. 16 - Dec.22
Book XIII and XIV (Mu and Nu)
Dec. 23 - Dec.29